My idea on how to protect our schools

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by vetteman9368

I'm very sure that in most parts of the country, there are teachers/school personnel who have CCW permits or are otherwise gun owners. Take said people, put them through the same psych eval that the FBI uses (which should already be done for people who are around our children every day). Those that qualify are then sent to a certified "police type" firearms training. Hold them to a higher standard, same as we do police officers. Don't make it public which people are carrying, but make it known that there are armed faculty members on the grounds. Without a doubt had the front office staff at Sandy Hook been carrying, the shooter would not have made it past the security doors that he shot his way through. I'm also reasonably sure that this kid would have never targeted a school where the teachers were armed as a target for his aggression.

Why not just make anyone that owns a gun go through a psychological evaluation? Your suggestion does nothing for anyplace other than a school.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by ApexOversteer

California Sentator Barbara Boxer [D] has introduced a bill that would allow states to use the National Guard to protect schools. The bill is modeled on similar legislation that allows states to use the National Guard to assist in border security.

That's just stupid.

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Your suggestion does nothing for anyplace other than a school.

Good place to start

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

Good place to start

I don't put a higher value on children's lives than adults.

[ApexOversteer]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I don't put a higher value on children's lives than adults.

Nor do I, but I put a higher priority on protecting children because many times they don't have the mental capacity or experience to handle such situations and make quick decisions.

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I don't put a higher value on children's lives than adults.

Funny, as the father of four daughters I put the value of their lives above any adult on the planet.

We'll just need to agree to disagree...

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by ApexOversteer

Nor do I, but I put a higher priority on protecting children because many times they don't have the mental capacity or experience to handle such situations and make quick decisions.

Neither do adults. Everyone in Aurora pretty much shit their pants when the shooter opened up in the theater.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

Funny, as the father of four daughters I put the value of their lives above any adult on the planet.

We'll just need to agree to disagree...

That's family.

I'm speaking in general terms.

Why go to so much effort to protect your children only in school and then let them go to the movies or a shopping mall? Addressing the problem only at schools fails to address the problem at all.

[bierbelly]

Close all schools, require home schooling.

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

That's family.

I'm speaking in general terms.

Why go to so much effort to protect your children only in school and then let them go to the movies or a shopping mall? Addressing the problem only at schools fails to address the problem at all.

Then let me rephrase my answer.

I value all childrens lives over any adult. It's our job as adults to protect children until the time they can protect themselves.

As I said before, schools would be a good start.

If you never want the chance of ever getting hurt by some maniac/criminal/psycho, stay at home if you feel that scared or vulnerable.

How would you address the problem. More gun laws would not have stopped that idiot in CT.
Hell, the 500+ gun laws have not stopped the murder rate in Chicago.

Let's here them Phil, what's your answer?

[Yerf Dog]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Why not just make anyone that owns a gun go through a psychological evaluation?

So if you fail your gun psychological evaluation, what happens?

No guns, of course...

Having (or caring for) children?
Operating a motor vehicle?
Voting?
Food service?
Healthcare provider?
Walking around in public?

If I don't trust somebody with a gun, what do I trust them with?

[lander]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

Good place to start

And also the subject of this thread. Why is it the LFT's have such a hard time reading a thread title? I mean, I know they're generally the most ignorant among the general population, but both of our resident LFT's can't even read a thread title that they're posting in?

I just don't get it.

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by lander

And also the subject of this thread. Why is it the LFT's have such a hard time reading a thread title? I mean, I know they're generally the most ignorant among the general population, but both of our resident LFT's can't even read a thread title that they're posting in?

I just don't get it.

You can't spin an argument if you stick to the facts or the original thought!

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

Then let me rephrase my answer.

I value all childrens lives over any adult. It's our job as adults to protect children until the time they can protect themselves.

As I said before, schools would be a good start.

If you never want the chance of ever getting hurt by some maniac/criminal/psycho, stay at home if you feel that scared or vulnerable.

How would you address the problem. More gun laws would not have stopped that idiot in CT.
Hell, the 500+ gun laws have not stopped the murder rate in Chicago.

Let's here them Phil, what's your answer?

Schools are just one of the many places kids are. Attempting to resolve the problem only there fails to address the larger issue.

I've posted up my suggestions many times before in virtually every other gun thread.

The first and foremost should be a thorough psychological evaluation before one is allowed to possess a fire arm.

[ApexOversteer]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

The first and foremost should be a thorough psychological evaluation before one is allowed to possess a fire arm.

How would that have stopped Adam Lanza?

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

You can't spin an argument if you stick to the facts or the original thought!

And you can't continue to shoot down every reasonable attempt at logical gun control.

I've said it many time. This attitude will be the undoing of the gun rights group.

Failure to implement the most basic of restrictions will result in more and more demand for regulations. A few more killings like what happened last week and the demand will be too much to hold back. When this delayed legislation ultimately makes it through congress, your side will again be left out of the debate and severe restrictions will come into place. That's what happened with health care, its what will happen with guns.

You guys can't see the writing on the wall. And that will be your undoing.

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Schools are just one of the many places kids are. Attempting to resolve the problem only there fails to address the larger issue.

I've posted up my suggestions many times before in virtually every other gun thread.

The first and foremost should be a thorough psychological evaluation before one is allowed to possess a fire arm.

Again, why not at least have our children protected at school? A place that they must go by law (unless home schooled).
The need at other public places as you have mentioned is not nearly as important. These places are optional to attend unlike school.
You don't have to send your kids to the mall or movies, school, yes.

Sorry, I'm not looking up acient threads to get my answer. I'll just assume you don't want to address it here.

At least you seem to allow firearm ownership, just with a caveat.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by ApexOversteer

How would that have stopped Adam Lanza?

As I said in the other thread, if you have someone in your house that shouldn't be around guns, then you shouldn't be allowed to have guns in the house.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

Again, why not at least have our children protected at school? A place that they must go by law (unless home schooled).
The need at other public places as you have mentioned is not nearly as important. These places are optional to attend unlike school.
You don't have to send your kids to the mall or movies, school, yes.

Sorry, I'm not looking up acient threads to get my answer. I'll just assume you don't want to address it here.

At least you seem to allow firearm ownership, just with a caveat.

I don't value children's lives any more than that of an adult, why should my tax dollars only be spend on an attempt to protect them?

Besides, its a red herring. Its a band aid on the issue that doesn't do anything to resolve the problem. It wouldn't have stopped the mall shooter, it wouldn't have stopped the movie killer, it wouldn't have stopped the massacre at Ft. Hood. And on and on.

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

And you can't continue to shoot down every reasonable attempt at logical gun control.

I've said it many time. This attitude will be the undoing of the gun rights group.

Failure to implement the most basic of restrictions will result in more and more demand for regulations. A few more killings like what happened last week and the demand will be too much to hold back. When this delayed legislation ultimately makes it through congress, your side will again be left out of the debate and severe restrictions will come into place. That's what happened with health care, its what will happen with guns.

You guys can't see the writing on the wall. And that will be your undoing.

First off, I seldom post in a PR&C thread and have never, to the best of my memory, had a gun control discussion with you. Maybe, but I believe not.

Second, you have no clue what my thought are on allowing ownership of firearms. Have we had that discussion? Again, no.

I will say that I would like to see severe punishment for a crime committed with a gun. 20 years minimum for a crime committed with a firearm.

The problem the way I see it is almost the same as you do except from the other direction.
When the gun hating, anti NRA crowd stops demanding that all guns be banned and confiscated and allow sensible gun ownership, then the two side may meet somewhere in the middle.

It's the lunatics on both ends that create the shit storm we see in not only guns but politics in general.