My first experience with Obamacare...

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Jeff, do you know that part of the ACA law is that doctors must turn over their records to law enforcement upon request? Oh yes. The ACA essentially does away with the concept of doctor/patient privacy, and does so spectacularly. But I'm sure it will hurt some rich guy, so it's good.

You make it sound like that's new....

A drone could read your medical records right now from two miles up if it wanted too.
Don't kid yourself.
Nothing you do is private anymore.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

What are the tax credits involved with that plan at her age?.
You didn't factor those in, in your OP.
There will be tax credits as well.

He didn't factor in a bunch of stuff because he knows when he does his argument will fall apart.

Like for starters, Blue Cross isn't one of the two insurers — Magnolia Health and Humana — signed up to provide coverage on the Mississippi health care exchange.

I think its a nice touch however, that he will screw over his own kid just to make a bogus point about Obamacare.

[Joecooool]

From https://www.healthcare.gov/

"If you have household income between $11,490 and $45,960 for individuals ($23,550 to $94,200 for a family of 4), you’ll get lower costs on your monthly premiums."

You can go there and work up your own quote.

[DAB]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

From https://www.healthcare.gov/

"If you have household income between $11,490 and $45,960 for individuals ($23,550 to $94,200 for a family of 4), you’ll get lower costs on your monthly premiums."

You can go there and work up your own quote.

well that's handy as all get out. demands an email addy to get a quote. well, actually, you have to create an account to get a quote.

if i go to amazon, i can shop for anything, get prices, and i don't have to set up an account until i'm ready to buy something. stupid process. pass.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

From https://www.healthcare.gov/

"If you have household income between $11,490 and $45,960 for individuals ($23,550 to $94,200 for a family of 4), you’ll get lower costs on your monthly premiums."

You can go there and work up your own quote.

And if you aren't eligible for subsidies (which I help pay for) then you get to pay a lot more for worse health insurance, healthcare delivered to you by surely doctors and nurses who are getting screwed over, assuming you aren't put on 29 hours a week by your employer who now has every incentive in the world to do so. It's fabulous!

They could have just came out and said "We are going to fine you $2k/year if you don't have health insurance" and essentially accomplished the same thing. This is a disaster, and I stand in awe of your willingness to tow the partisan line on this thing.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

And if you aren't eligible for subsidies (which I help pay for) then you get to pay a lot more for worse health insurance, healthcare delivered to you by surely doctors and nurses who are getting screwed over, assuming you aren't put on 29 hours a week by your employer who now has every incentive in the world to do so. It's fabulous!

They could have just came out and said "We are going to fine you $2k/year if you don't have health insurance" and essentially accomplished the same thing. This is a disaster, and I stand in awe of your willingness to tow the partisan line on this thing.

Its just one step closer to socialized medicine and for that, I can't wait.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Its just one step closer to socialized medicine and for that, I can't wait.

Taunting....15 yard penalty.

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

From https://www.healthcare.gov/

"If you have household income between $11,490 and $45,960 for individuals ($23,550 to $94,200 for a family of 4), you’ll get lower costs on your monthly premiums."

You can go there and work up your own quote.

No you can't. That half a billion dollar smoldering pile of shit of a website doesn't work.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

I disagree.
It'll rope in drug costs, create a national data base and eliminate fraud, double dipping and multiple narcotic scripts for the same person.
Will people find a way to abuse the system? Ya, like with any other, but in the long run, it'll benefit the consumer.
Rich people are showin' the hate because their cash cow is about to end.
Hopefully the money is used as it should be used and not siphoned to other programs.
Now onto university reform.
College costs are killing this country too right now

It will create a national database for/of what?

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I think its a nice touch however, that he will screw over his own kid just to make a bogus point about Obamacare.

How the FORK is making your able bodied adult child pay their own way screwing them over?

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by Craig

How the FORK is making your able bodied adult child pay their own way screwing them over?

You can only make that connection in the damaged mind of a libtard

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE

It will create a national database for/of what?

Any hospital or doctor will have access to my medical records, unlike now where I have to send a disc to a specialist if they want my history.
This includes all MRI's, tests, everything that you have seen a doctor for.
If I end up in an emergency room in LA, they just access the national data base and voila, instant records. It'll take the guess work out of it and cut down on fraud big time.

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Any hospital or doctor will have access to my medical records, unlike now where I have to send a disc to a specialist if they want my history.
This includes all MRI's, tests, everything that you have seen a doctor for.
If I end up in an emergency room in LA, they just access the national data base and voila, instant records. It'll take the guess work out of it and cut down on fraud big time.

As long as you don't mind the IRS looking too, and that line of communication goes both ways

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by vetteman9368

As long as you don't mind the IRS looking too, and that line of communication goes both ways

Ya, that's ok with me.

For a guy with a lot of smart ass comments, you sure as hell don't have any solutions.

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Ya, that's ok with me.

For a guy with a lot of smart ass comments, you sure as hell don't have any solutions.

Two BIG solutions
1. Tort reform
2. Sell insurance across state lines

Plus one more
3. Heavily Encourage Health Savings Accounts.


What you got?

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by vetteman9368

Two BIG solutions
1. Tort reform
2. Sell insurance across state lines

Plus one more
3. Heavily Encourage Health Savings Accounts.


What you got?

Sounds good to me.
I would add a national tax and eliminate all state and sales taxes.
Simplify the tax code.
It's a multi-faceted problem.

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Sounds good to me.
I would add a national tax and eliminate all state and sales taxes.
Simplify the tax code.
It's a multi-faceted problem.

National sales tax?

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by vetteman9368

National sales tax?

No, a flat income tax that is the same for everyone regardless of income.

[MrPeabody]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Sounds good to me.
I would add a national tax and eliminate all state and sales taxes.
Simplify the tax code.
It's a multi-faceted problem.

Then you might as well eliminate state governments, too, since you would be eliminating their income. Or would you trust whichever political party was in power to distribute the money to their favorite states?

[lspencer534]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

He didn't factor in a bunch of stuff because he knows when he does his argument will fall apart.

Like for starters, Blue Cross isn't one of the two insurers — Magnolia Health and Humana — signed up to provide coverage on the Mississippi health care exchange.

I think its a nice touch however, that he will screw over his own kid just to make a bogus point about Obamacare.

WTF??? How am I screwing over my kid? She's 25-years-old, has a job and a house, and is on her own now...which is the way she wants it, as would I. Your dislike of me is affecting your logic.

On topic: Magnolia Health Care is a tiny insurance company; I worry about its ability to pay claims. Humana consistently is ranked less than 50 on a 100 rating.

If you have a real point to make, then make it. Personal attacks show your ignorance.