So, I got the free Full Self driving trial this morning

[cptlo306]

Originally Posted by jw38

Good...just don't bring your beta self-driving weapon anywhere near me or my family. You're free to endanger your family, but you're not free to endanger mine.



You can trust it all you want with you're life, but you're not free to trust it with mine or my family's.

Tesla FSD is legal so technically he is free to trust it around anyone.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Yes, because YOUR trust in Tesla is something I care about...

There is blind trust and earned trust. I have probably about 30k - 40k miles of autopilot driving and not once was there a situation ON THE HIGHWAY where the car did something unexpected. This has nothing to do with what brand it is. After driving so many miles using that feature, I started trusting it.

I certainly do NOT trust FSD at this point AROUND TOWN. This is A LOT more complex than just keeping the distance and keeping the lane as there many more situations that you could possible encounter on a straight highway with nicely marked lanes.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

And your point is what, exactly? This thread was started to describe GSC3’s experience with a beta test version of FSD, including problems he’s finding. Now he admits to trusting it with his life and posting here while the car drives itself. Apparently those problems he found magically fixed themselves.

I trust the system ON THE HIGHWAY but not in the city. Highway driving is a lot less complex than city driving. I drove 10s of thousands of miles on Autopilot.
There are no lights, stop signs or school zones on the highway. All that the car needs is clearly marked lanes and keep the distance to the car in front.

[Vandelay Industries]

Originally Posted by cptlo306

[GSC3]That isn't a Tesla.[/GSC3]

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[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I trust the system ON THE HIGHWAY but not in the city. Highway driving is a lot less complex than city driving. I drove 10s of thousands of miles on Autopilot.

You trust it as long as it has to do nothing other than drive in a straight line.

And yes, it is less complex. Until that time when it isn't. But no worries, I'm sure it will know what to do when that time comes and you're busy posting shit on the internet.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

You trust it as long as it has to do nothing other than drive in a straight line.

And yes, it is less complex. Until that time when it isn't. But no worries, I'm sure it will know what to do when that time comes and you're busy posting shit on the internet.

Being in the internet while on autopilot is a thousand times safer than being on your phone, surfing the web without autopilot. I see people all the time on their phone while driving, no matter if it's city or highway. You see those people all the time and they are a significantly higher risk to others compared to those who do it while on autopilot/FSD.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I trust the system ON THE HIGHWAY but not in the city. Highway driving is a lot less complex than city driving. I drove 10s of thousands of miles on Autopilot.
There are no lights, stop signs or school zones on the highway. All that the car needs is clearly marked lanes and keep the distance to the car in front.

Valid points.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Valid points.

I work in IT and coding for highway driving is very very basic while coding for all those different traffic signs, school busses, school zones, construction zones can be really really complex and that is the reason why FSD is NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME. It's NOT an easy undertaking for a system to be fully autonomous. I doubt that it is ready for prime time any time soon. There are always scenarios that the car won't handle correctly and that's really the main reason that I would not pay for it. The only reason why I want those driver assist features is to be able to do things like being on the internet while driving and I can't do it around town with FSD as it is too risky. I like driving but boring stop and go commuting traffic on the highway is booooring and having the car move along and stay in the lane reliably is awesome and allows me to do other things. Is it 100% safe? Probably not but I consider the risk to be absolutely minimal. The only really major concern I have about autopilot is road debris like tire pieces etc.
Other than that, I really can't see many scenarios where the system could fail as long as you stay in the middle lane and don't have to deal with merging traffic.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Being in the internet while on autopilot is a thousand times safer than being on your phone, surfing the web without autopilot. I see people all the time on their phone while driving, no matter if it's city or highway. You see those people all the time and they are a significantly higher risk to others compared to those who do it while on autopilot/FSD.

It's obvious that the straw man is your favorite, but is there any fallacy that you don't use to try to justify your shit?

Good to know that it's ok to punch you in the face... because shooting you would be worse.

Driving 150 down the highway is ok... because driving 150 while drunk would be worse.

Great argument.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

It's obvious that the straw man is your favorite, but is there any fallacy that you don't use to try to justify your shit?

Good to know that it's ok to punch you in the face... because shooting you would be worse.

Driving 150 down the highway is ok... because driving 150 while drunk would be worse.

Great argument.

I like statistics. Based on statistics, driving on the HIGHWAY on autopilot is SAFER than driving without AUTOPILOT.

TESLAS ON AUTOPILOT there was one crash for every 4.64 million miles driven
WITHOUT AUTOPILOT there was one crash for every 0.984 million miles driven.

So, the chance of having a crash when NOT on autopilot is OVER 4 times higher.
This may not impress you but it matters to me. I believe that driving on autopilot is safer. I trust the statistics.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I like statistics. Based on statistics, driving on the HIGHWAY on autopilot is SAFER than driving without AUTOPILOT.

TESLAS ON AUTOPILOT there was one crash for every 4.64 million miles driven
WITHOUT AUTOPILOT there was one crash for every 0.984 million miles driven.

So, the chance of having a crash when NOT on autopilot is OVER 4 times higher.
This may not impress you but it matters to me. I believe that driving on autopilot is safer. I trust the statistics.

I like statistics too and use them in my profession. Got a link to these statistics, including the raw numbers?

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

I like statistics too and use them in my profession. Got a link to these statistics, including the raw numbers?

https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyR...miles%20driven.

No raw numbers.. However, Tesla obviously has all the numbers as they are mostly a DATA company... much more than being a car maker.

[Big bob]

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[ThePirate]

NEVER take your eyes off the road you are travelling on.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyR...miles%20driven.

No raw numbers.. However, Tesla obviously has all the numbers as they are mostly a DATA company... much more than being a car maker.

Yea, given his stellar track record of transparency and honesty, I definitely trust Elon to give us the actual facts about the shit he's trying to sell.

Source: Trust me bro.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Yea, I definitely trust Elon to give us the actual facts about the shit he's trying to sell.

Source: Trust me bro.

So, you think that there are no checks and balances and car makers can just make up unsubstantiated claims?

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

So, you think that there are no checks and balances and car makers can just make up unsubstantiated claims?

Do you really need to see a list of the shit that Elon has claimed over the years that has turned out to be bullshit?

[GrandSportC3]

Just using common sense. Things like not paying attention for a moment, dozing off or just plain old driver fatigue are things that ONLY apply to humans, not computers.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Do you really need to see a list of the shit that Elon has claimed over the years that has turned out to be bullshit?

His timelines are often unrealistic BUT I'm not aware of them presenting any "FAKE" data.. Just unrealistic timelines. He is certainly known for those.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Just unrealistic timelines.

Well that's certainly an interesting interpretation of what it is that he does.