So, I got the free Full Self driving trial this morning

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

the car tries to hog the left lane.

That's because it has been trained on actual human drivers.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Damn, I didn't realize the range dropped that fast as speed increased. And that's with HVAC off, which most drivers don't do. I guess that's why I don't see a lot of Teslas on I-70 in Utah where the speed limit is 80 (and most traffic is going 85-90) and it can be a long way between chargers.

That statistic is on the very old version of the car with the 85kwh batter pack.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

That's because it has been trained on actual human drivers.

It's usually Amish ladies that hog the left lane

There are actual laws in place in Florida that do not allow you to block traffic in the left lane. If you are done passing and there is space to move back to the middle or right lane, you need to do that. They can even fine you for that. I think that this is a GOOD thing as I'm sick of people hogging the left lane going at or below the speed limit. The car should be programmed to know state laws regarding that.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

There are actual laws in place in Florida that do not allow you to block traffic in the left lane.

There are such laws in every state. The problem is that, aside from the occasional YouTube video, you never see those laws being enforced; without consequences, there is no incentive for ignorant/asshole drivers to stop blocking the passing lane. And that behavior is used as training data.

That's why FSD Teslas do rolling stops at stop signs and ignore school zone speed limits and all the other "illegal" things that they were trained to do by typical human drivers.

Elon recently abandoned the "hard-coded" version of FSD and embraced the 100% machine learning approach. But he can't have it both ways - if he gets rid of the hard-coded rules, then there's no way to "override" the bad behavior unless you have an army of human beings in the loop to censor the undesirable behavior from the pool of training data. "Ain't nobody got time fo dat."

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

They haven't made the "85" version Model S for many years. This must be a very very old post.. I believe that they discontinued the "85" pack versions of the Model S in 2016, 8 years ago..

Great. What's your point?

Deflect all you want. As speed increases, your range goes to shit. That was the case in 2016. It's still the case today.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

As speed increases, your range goes to shit. That was the case in 2016. It's still the case today.

100% correct.

However, my commute is 16 miles each way; 15 miles of that 16 is on a toll road with light traffic and almost zero enforcement by the CHP. Thus, I can go as fast as I want to and from work without any range anxiety whatsoever. Which is one reason why I'm considering a "Ludicrous" Model 3 Performance as a fun little commuter car.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

100% correct.

However, my commute is 16 miles each way; 15 miles of that 16 is on a toll road with light traffic and almost zero enforcement by the CHP. Thus, I can go as fast as I want to and from work without any range anxiety whatsoever. Which is one reason why I'm considering a "Ludicrous" Model 3 Performance as a fun little commuter car.

When will you have time for a warm meal if you're in such a rush?

[Big bob]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

100% correct.

However, my commute is 16 miles each way; 15 miles of that 16 is on a toll road with light traffic and almost zero enforcement by the CHP. Thus, I can go as fast as I want to and from work without any range anxiety whatsoever. Which is one reason why I'm considering a "Ludicrous" Model 3 Performance as a fun little commuter car.

You do know they can send you a ticket based on your travel time.

[BRUIZER]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

100% correct.

However, my commute is 16 miles each way; 15 miles of that 16 is on a toll road with light traffic and almost zero enforcement by the CHP. Thus, I can go as fast as I want to and from work without any range anxiety whatsoever. Which is one reason why I'm considering a "Ludicrous" Model 3 Performance as a fun little commuter car.

Yeh suuuuuuuuuure you can fly down the 73/405 toll roads unobstructed from traffic nor CHP.
I drove that for years. Also drove the new toll lanes on the 405frw recently headed to LAX (unfortunately but fortunately the last time I'll ever step foot in Los Angeles county).
You pay to utilize the road and if/when caught speeding will face a minimum $450 fine. But GLWT!

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Big bob

You do know they can send you a ticket based on your travel time.

Technically they could, but I've been driving triple-digits on this toll road since the '00s and never received one. I suspect the toll road authority knows that if they started ticketing people they would lose a shitload of business.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by BRUIZER

Yeh suuuuuuuuuure you can fly down the 73/405 toll roads unobstructed from traffic nor CHP.

Wrong road. I drive the 241.

My door-to-door average speeds are in the 60MPH range - including being stopped in traffic. You do the math.

[BRUIZER]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Wrong road. I drive the 241.

My door-to-door average speeds are in the 60MPH range - including being stopped in traffic. You do the math.

Doesn't matter. They patrol the 241 as well.
A simple reddit search shows how many drivers have been ticketed and were upset enough to start a public thread over many years. But good luck risking the fines, ins increases and loss of lic when you get caught hitting triple diggets.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Great. What's your point?

Deflect all you want. As speed increases, your range goes to shit. That was the case in 2016. It's still the case today.

This is partially correct. Aerodynamic improvement on newer model years REDUCE the range drop but of course, they can't eliminate it. It's the same with a gas car. You will get better efficiency going 60 mph than going 80 mph. The less aerodynamic a car is, the worse is the efficiency drop going faster.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

This is partially correct. Aerodynamic improvement on newer model years REDUCE the range drop but of course, they can't eliminate it. It's the same with a gas car. You will get better efficiency going 60 mph than going 80 mph. The less aerodynamic a car is, the worse is the efficiency drop going faster.

Not the same.
One is aerodynamics and the other is acceleration.

[GrandSportC3]

I'm uploading today's commute to youtube right now.. It's a longer video, so, it'll take about an hour to upload.. Will post it here

[Steve_R]

Ignoring the last situation I posted and asked how FSD would handle it?

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by BRUIZER

Doesn't matter. They patrol the 241 as well.
A simple reddit search shows how many drivers have been ticketed and were upset enough to start a public thread over many years.

I don't need a Reddit search to know my own driving history.

It helps that I am going "against traffic" and that the few CHP units that I do see are almost always on the other side of the road, targeting traffic going the other direction. Also the CHP's speed tolerance is around 80 MPH, so as long as I can slow down to 75 or so before I get too close I can just sail on by.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

This is partially correct. Aerodynamic improvement on newer model years REDUCE the range drop but of course, they can't eliminate it. It's the same with a gas car. You will get better efficiency going 60 mph than going 80 mph. The less aerodynamic a car is, the worse is the efficiency drop going faster.

Nope. There's nothing "partial" about it.

What I said is 100% correct.

Your complete inability to accept or admit even the most basic realities about EVs is absolutely f**king absurd.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Ignoring the last situation I posted and asked how FSD would handle it?

If the OP is taking requests, I would also like to see how FSD handles a bunch of other common scenarios.

[Big bob]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Here's another real world situation I wonder how FSD would handle. This is on a two lane highway where the speed limit is 45 mph. There's a walking/biking trail that crosses it. If the flashing lights are not on or there isn't anyone waiting to cross you don't have to slow down. If the lights are flashing or there are people waiting to cross, you must stop. There's also a red stop sign on the warning sign on the right, but it simply shows where to stop if it's required.

What would FSD do here?
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How would he be able to answer for a program? He is not part of the North Wind blowing smoke up others ass's. I believe to get your much needed nourishment you will have to nurse off FPD hind tit.


And once again since you're so slow this is nothing more than enhanced cruise control.