What are you guys going to talk about here…

[DDSLT5]

Originally Posted by LATB

So, the fundamental transformation kind of thing.

Where have we heard tht before?

China had a 'cultural revolution' in the 80s. It is called "Communism". All notation of chinese history was purged from the history books. Those who could, got the **** outta there. The government limited births to one per couple. This genius move is really paying dividends in China today. The more they try to tighten the grip, the more we slip through their fingers!

[DDSLT5]

Originally Posted by LATB

I’m installing a whole house generator fueled with LP gas. I may consider a small solar field at some point. Currently the numbers don’t pencil. But I like the idea of having solar fueled battery packs as a redundant source of power.

I’m also installing a diesel tank to fuel the pickup and tractor and other equipment.
And although I have muni water, I’ll be drilling a well as backup. I may also use the well for landscape and agriculture irrigation around the property.

Next - chickens, then pigs, then cattle.

Seriously - I like the idea of solar to a battery backup, but my whole property Kholer generator was $15K all in, installed, taxes, tip. I would have had to spend $80K to do the same with a tesla wall an solar cells. Nope - not gonna do!

[Kevin68]

Originally Posted by LATB

Agree.
I understand that I will be at the mercy of a full LP tank. But I'm also not a super prepper. More for old age protection and convenience.
Solar sounds nice in theory but as posted the numbers don't work well but at some point I may damn the numbers and go with it.

A large generator is about 10 grand all in with transfer switch etc.
A solar field is 40 grand and that does not include battery storage equipment.
I can buy a lot of Lady Propane for 40+ grand. Assuming of course it is available.

That's a good deal for $10K. Mine was $17K, for a 24kW, a full 500 gallon tank buried in rock (hole was dug with a jackhammer on a backhoe). This was during covidiot supply chain shortages. Prices/installation may have come down some.

[Kevin68]

Originally Posted by DDSLT5

Next - chickens, then pigs, then cattle.

Seriously - I like the idea of solar to a battery backup, but my whole property Kholer generator was $15K all in, installed, taxes, tip. I would have had to spend $80K to do the same with a tesla wall an solar cells. Nope - not gonna do!

Out of curiosity, how many kW for the Kohler and solar/battery? $80K would be hard to justify.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by DDSLT5

Next - chickens, then pigs, then cattle.

Seriously - I like the idea of solar to a battery backup, but my whole property Kholer generator was $15K all in, installed, taxes, tip. I would have had to spend $80K to do the same with a tesla wall an solar cells. Nope - not gonna do!

I may do chickens for the eggs. Pigs nope.
I'd love to have a small herd of cattle, but...
-I'm a little old to start that adventure.
-I don't really have the land with 33 acres.
My plumber is a lifelong cattleman and he runs 50-100 head.
He and I have talked at length about it. It's not a profitable proposition on a small scale. But watching them calves born and run around is way cool.

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by Kevin68

That's a good deal for $10K. Mine was $17K, for a 24kW, a full 500 gallon tank buried in rock (hole was dug with a jackhammer on a backhoe). This was during covidiot supply chain shortages. Prices/installation may have come down some.

In May 2018 I had a 13kW Cummins installed. It was $7,800 for everything. I already had a 330 gallon propane tank.

[DDSLT5]

Originally Posted by Kevin68

Out of curiosity, how many kW for the Kohler and solar/battery? $80K would be hard to justify.

28 kW for the Kohler - does the house, garage (which has 2 heat pumps and a 1200 square foot apartment loft) and pool.

The Tesla estimate to achieve the same thing was going to be 3 Tesla Wall Batteries, and a lot of solar cells - this was 2 years ago now, so I can't remember the details on the sq footage of solar cells. And the price may have dropped as well. In theory it could sell power to the grid during the summer, generating credits that could be used in the Winter, thus making my electricity bill as low as $0 or less. However, there's still the fact that I pay about $140/mo for electricity presently, so paying off the extra cost of the solar/battery would take roughly 39 years. Not so good.

[owc6]

Whole house Generac and 1500 gal propane for me.

I am looking into a hand pump for existing well.

[Don Rickles]

Originally Posted by owc6

Whole house Generac and 1500 gal propane for me.

I am looking into a hand pump for existing well.

Can you demonstrate the pumping motion required for said hand pump?

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by owc6

Whole house Generac and 1500 gal propane for me.

I am looking into a hand pump for existing well.

Youse guys have a well?

I thought you lived in kinda suburbia . . . ?

[GTOguy]

I know two guys with battery walls and solar panels who are not connected to the grid. Batteries supposed to last 20-30 years. One place is about 1500 SF in CA, the other is about 4500 SF. in HI. The CA guy spent about 70k, the HI guy spend over 100k. But, totally off-grid in off-grid locations. Both guys did this in their mid 50's about 7 years ago. So the price would probably be almost twice that today. Both systems work just like land power would. No issues.

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by Don Rickles

Can you demonstrate the pumping motion required for said hand pump?

[NAV] Ok Rickles, that's over the proverbial line. You are perma-banned. [/NAV]

[LATB]

Originally Posted by owc6

Whole house Generac and 1500 gal propane for me.

I am looking into a hand pump for existing well.

1500 gallon propane tank? That is huge.

[owc6]

Originally Posted by Don Rickles

Can you demonstrate the pumping motion required for said hand pump?

Smart ass. I can give you a link, but methinks you already have that bookmarked on your computer.

[Don Rickles]

Originally Posted by LATB

I may do chickens for the eggs. Pigs nope.
I'd love to have a small herd of cattle, but...
-I'm a little old to start that adventure.
-I don't really have the land with 33 acres.
My plumber is a lifelong cattleman and he runs 50-100 head.
He and I have talked at length about it. It's not a profitable proposition on a small scale. But watching them calves born and run around is way cool.

You should read the chicken shit thread over there! Lots of great info!



Proves how dumb black roosters can be!

Think long and hard before getting a black cock in the flock, they will,shock you with their presence!

[owc6]

Originally Posted by Bruze

Youse guys have a well?

I thought you lived in kinda suburbia . . . ?

Hell no.

[Don Rickles]

Originally Posted by owc6

Smart ass. I can give you a link, but methinks you already have that bookmarked on your computer.

[ricks327]

Originally Posted by Don Rickles

You should read the chicken shit thread over there! Lots of great info!



Proves how dumb black roosters can be!

Think long and hard before getting a black cock in the flock, they will,shock you with their presence!

How can you read a CF Off Topic thread if you have a 30 day ban, I couldn't

[owc6]

Originally Posted by ricks327

How can you read a CF Off Topic thread if you have a 30 day ban, I couldn't

Can't you just log out and view?

[LATB]

Originally Posted by owc6

Can't you just log out and view?

Nope. OT and PRC are only viewed if logged in. They don't want us deplorables lurking.