So, I got the free Full Self driving trial this morning

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Bullshit.

Who in the f**k is talking about real estate closings? Your previous answer was that people didn't even read the front page of a vehicle purchase order or the odometer statement. Nobody is talking about real estate contracts (other than you trying to defend your messiah). Hell, you're so pathetically lazy that you want the government to regulate autotrader because you can't be bothered to read past the first line.

Your answer is different now because it's Tesla. And it's equally hilarious and pathetic.

And yes, I'm still rooting for the phone pole.

When buying a new car at a traditional dealership, you have to sign many documents and nobody reads through all of them JUST LIKE A REAL ESTATE CLOSING. The FSD disclaimer is 2 sentences. Huge difference.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

When buying a new car at a traditional dealership, you have to sign many documents and nobody reads through all of them JUST LIKE A REAL ESTATE CLOSING. The FSD disclaimer is 2 sentences. Huge difference.

Anyone who closes a real estate transaction and doesn’t read the documents is a damn fool.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

There is a difference of not reading a long contract and not reading 2 sentences.
I have been in many closings for real estate transactions and I have never ever read the entire document. If people would read the entire contract, closings would take 3 to 4 times longer.

There is no rush in a real estate closing. Matter of fact the buyer and seller are delivered the documents ahead of closing for their review.
If someone is not comfortable reading the documents or not understanding the documents they should consult with an attorney who will read them and advise.
Again, only a fool would sign legal documents without reading them.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

Anyone who closes a real estate transaction and doesn’t read the documents is a damn fool.

How many hours do your closings take? There is a lot to sign. Probably 20 pages total or more at times.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

How many hours do your closings take? There is a lot to sign. Probably 20 pages total or more at times.

Never hours. Maybe one hour and that includes niceties and chitchat.
I have NEVER been in a closing where the title agent or attorney did not go over every document with the buyer/seller. That’s their job.

Fact is, I haven’t been to a closing in years. It’s mostly all done remotely and electronically nowadays. And the clients and/or their attorneys have ample opportunity to read the documents thoroughly.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Vandelay Industries

Not in these parts. Usually a flagman or cop using hand signals.

Our local town roads during the week, it's usually guys working behind a truck parked in that lane. The Tesla would stop, and not start up again until they left.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

* assertive

There is a difference.

If I had been driving that pickup truck, I would have PITted you into the ditch before I let your puny Mustang ass cut in front of me.

Yeah, that's not aggression. At all.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

The ONLY way to test such syatem is on the road. Nobody is getting run over. This is a supervised system. The more data the system has, the better it will perform.

It's hilarious that all these people are working for free, and the owner of Tesla is one of the richest men in the world. Talk about suckers.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

Never hours. Maybe one hour and that includes niceties and chitchat.
I have NEVER been in a closing where the title agent or attorney did not go over every document with the buyer/seller. That’s their job.

Fact is, I haven’t been to a closing in years. It’s mostly all done remotely and electronically nowadays. And the clients and/or their attorneys have ample opportunity to read the documents thoroughly.

Title agent goes through every document and explains what it is BUT they don't read the document. Yes, you get the entire package days before BUT how did you know that what you are signing is the same that you got in the mail? I usually trust the title agent.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

It's hilarious that all these people are working for free, and the owner of Tesla is one of the richest men in the world. Talk about suckers.

You are getting something in return. Not everyone is a boomer who isn't interested in new tech. Things like autopark and summon are included as well. You get some perks and in return, you report issues with FSD to help improve the product.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

Yeah, that's not aggression. At all.

Nope - it's defensive driving.

The asshole in the Mustang who tried to cut in front of me was the aggressor.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Title agent goes through every document and explains what it is BUT they don't read the document. Yes, you get the entire package days before BUT how did you know that what you are signing is the same that you got in the mail? I usually trust the title agent.

They go through it and allow plenty of time to read and review.
You know because you sign it either hard copies that are sent to you or electronic signatures documents that you can read before signing.

I promise you that I have closed more properties personally than you ever will in your lifetime. Add the hundreds of closings for clients that I have been involved with over the past 30+ years.

And I have NEVER had a client not read what they are signing. And I can assure you that I would NEVER sign a legal document without reading it and understanding it.

Not sure what you mean by “usually trust the title agent”.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

No the point is that they remove themselves from liability for for the shit that goes wrong in their f-ed up software and put it on you instead. Most people are smart enough to figure that out.

Waiver or not, that will never stand up in court. Free or not, they can be held liable if it injures them or someone else.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Nope - it's defensive driving.

The asshole in the Mustang who tried to cut in front of me was the aggressor.

You bet damn straight I was. And that ***** backed off.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

You are living in the past. Phantom braking is long gone.

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

As I said, the system recognizes cones, barriers etc. and will slow down for them even if there is no speed limit sign.

So which is it? Does it slow down, or doesn't it?

[LATB]

My truck has a few nany features that can be turned off. Most are annoying. I can’t imagine a self driving vehicle. Not something that I would want.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by LATB

Never hours. Maybe one hour and that includes niceties and chitchat.

It takes a lot longer if you stop for a hot meal and a 45 minute rest to avoid reader's fatigue after every 3 pages.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

It takes a lot longer if you stop for a hot meal and a 45 minute rest to avoid reader's fatigue after every 3 pages.

Snap

[jw38]

Originally Posted by jw38

And yet you're complicit with Tesla in that you're using a not ready for prime time system on public roadways, endangering the lives of those going about their daily lives. "Oops, sorry Mrs Smith. I didn't mean to run over your husband, but I was using a system with KNOWN flaws. Just think of the upside. Perhaps your husband gave his life for the greater good, um, the greater good of Tesla." Like I said previously, if I or anyone in my family ever gets hit or hurt by someone allowing the car to drive itself, I will sue the absolute **** out of that person and the car manufacturer. It is virtually impossible to write self-driving software that can react to every potential driving scenario.



You just proved my point! Here's a fix...DRIVE THE ****ING CAR AND PAY ATTENTION!

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

The ONLY way to test such syatem is on the road. Nobody is getting run over. This is a supervised system. The more data the system has, the better it will perform.

I'm guessing that you have brown eyes because you're full of shit.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/26/2...rt-crash-death

"Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths / NHTSA found that Tesla’s driver-assist features are insufficient at keeping drivers engaged in the task of driving, which can often have fatal results."

"In March 2023, a North Carolina student was stepping off a school bus when he was struck by a Tesla Model Y traveling at “highway speeds,” according to a federal investigation that published today. The Tesla driver was using Autopilot, the automaker’s advanced driver-assist feature that Elon Musk insists will eventually lead to fully autonomous cars.

The 17-year-old student who was struck was transported to a hospital by helicopter with life-threatening injuries. But what the investigation found after examining hundreds of similar crashes was a pattern of driver inattention, combined with the shortcomings of Tesla’s technology, resulting in hundreds of injuries and dozens of deaths.

"Of those crashes, some of which involved other vehicles striking the Tesla vehicle, 29 people died. There were also 211 crashes in which “the frontal plane of the Tesla struck a vehicle or obstacle in its path.” These crashes, which were often the most severe, resulted in 14 deaths and 49 injuries.


The final 11 seconds of a fatal Tesla Autopilot crash
https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...rash-analysis/

Tesla worker killed in fiery crash may be first ‘Full Self-Driving’ fatality
https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...g-fatal-crash/

Don't try to tell me or anyone else that noone has died as a result of this. Keep your "self-driving" POS away from me and my family!

[markids77]

You willingly paid how much??? for an appliance which apparently not only records your every move while in it, but also sends the live stream back to "the mother ship"?
Have you lost your everloving mind?