My fear of what's going on in the Mid East

[Uncle Pervey]

Personally I think it is wonderful that the nations of the Mid-East or overthrowing their despotic leaders in order to find freedom. I do have one huge fear, the fear is that the underlying force behind this movement is the Muslim Brotherhood. On the surface the Muslim Brotherhood seems to be a fairly moderate organization, especially when compared with Al Quida or some of the militant Muslim organizations.
However, if you look into the Muslim Brotherhood you will see that there underlying goal is a World Caliphate governed by the principals of the Koran and Sunni movement. They are all for democracy and a republican form of government as long as it only includes male Sunni Muslims. No Christians, no Women and most of all NO JEWS!
We need to try and come to terms with this now and we have to have a plan to deal with it. If we don't we are going to wake up one day and most of the World is going to be under a Muslim Caliphate.
Here's more information, if any of you are interested.

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[Exotix]

McCain recommended today on Meet the Press that we bomb bomb bomb Iran ... otherwise Obama would be a failure.

[ChasC5]

McCain recommended today on Meet the Press that we bomb bomb bomb Iran ... otherwise Obama would be a failure.

Their first and only argument for any issue.

Someone, someday will learn from this.

:sadangel:

[RetiredSFC 97]

I'm suspicous of how this all happened at basically the same time and they seem so well organized!

I guess we'll see.

[mrvette]

I'm suspicous of how this all happened at basically the same time and they seem so well organized!

I guess we'll see.

NOT one question but it's under MuBro control, and that comes from Iran.....

we need dismantle the islamic cults......when the day comes that we recognize that fact, it well may be too damn late....

One thing is, IsREAL will not screw around with them bastards.....Iran will glow before IsREAL goes under.....

and THAT will be the day we will know we seriously goofed in not taking out iran years earlier.....

it's a easy one sub deal to do it too, and not even need nuke weapons to do it, either....

:sadangel::seeya:

[Exotix]

I'm suspicous of how this all happened at basically the same time and they seem so well organized!

I guess we'll see.

... probably orgainzed by Beck so Faux wackos can believe his conspiracies ...


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[TabuIsMe]

I'm suspicous of how this all happened at basically the same time and they seem so well organized!

I guess we'll see.

:iagree: They are brainwashing naive teenagers with idealism of a democracy while not mentioning the bad things.

[thkauffman]

... probably orgainzed by Beck so Faux wackos can believe his conspiracies ...


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I see you still cannot add anything of value to a discussion.



Unc, I've been pondering that same thing. Were any of the overthrown/protested countries run primarily by Muslims? Is Islam the dominant religion? Seems to me that it might be fairly easy to connect the dots.

If that happens in the ME, we are in for a sh1tload of trouble.

[Exotix]

I see you still cannot add anything of value to a discussion.

Unc, I've been pondering that same thing. Were any of the overthrown/protested countries run primarily by Muslims? Is Islam the dominant religion? Seems to me that it might be fairly easy to connect the dots.

If that happens in the ME, we are in for a sh1tload of trouble.

You have a point ... I remember your outrage when troofers connected the dots when Bush invaded Iraq because of 9/11 then when it became clear their were no WMD's or Osama Bin Laden / Saddam connection you were further outraged when the code pinkers called it Blood for Oil ... but when Bush calls Islam the religion of Peace, installs the Koran in the Whitehouse, spends trillions for Iraqi & Afghan muslims freedom ... now you have a problem ... and with not bomb bomb bombing Iran for Irainian freedom ... on and on, on muslim freedom ... on conspiracies et al ...

Nothings' changed in your little political world spectrum.

[RetiredSFC 97]

You have a point ... I remember your outrage when troofers connected the dots when Bush invaded Iraq because of 9/11 then when it became clear their were no WMD's or Osama Bin Laden / Saddam connection you were further outraged when the code pinkers called it Blood for Oil ... but when Bush calls Islam the religion of Peace, installs the Koran in the Whitehouse, spends trillions for Iraqi & Afghan muslims freedom ... now you have a problem ... and with not bomb bomb bombing Iran for Irainian freedom ... on and on, on muslim freedom ... on conspiracies et al ...

Nothings' changed in your little political world spectrum.

Do you have anything to add of substance?

[Exotix]

Do you have anything to add of substance?

I was just curious how after 4,000 years of Pharoah rule in the middle east ... the liberal communist caliphate all of a sudden appears after the Invasion of Iraq 7 years ago ...

[RetiredSFC 97]

I was just curious how after 4,000 years of Pharoah rule in the middle east ... the liberal communist caliphate all of a sudden appears after the Invasion of Iraq 7 years ago ...

I'm curious as well! I can't tell if this is demcratic revolution or something quite different myself.

[thkauffman]

You have a point ... I remember your outrage when troofers connected the dots when Bush invaded Iraq because of 9/11 then when it became clear their were no WMD's or Osama Bin Laden / Saddam connection you were further outraged when the code pinkers called it Blood for Oil ... but when Bush calls Islam the religion of Peace, installs the Koran in the Whitehouse, spends trillions for Iraqi & Afghan muslims freedom ... now you have a problem ... and with not bomb bomb bombing Iran for Irainian freedom ... on and on, on muslim freedom ... on conspiracies et al ...

Nothings' changed in your little political world spectrum.

I didn't understand a word of what you wrote. Try English next time. Or at least coherent sentences at the third grade level.

[Exotix]

I didn't understand a word of what you wrote. Try English next time. Or at least coherent sentences at the third grade level.

Oh, when Bush spent $3 Trillion that killed over 4,000 Americans to liberate the muslims and kissed the Koran the whole time ... now you're bitching about their *freedom* ... how's gas prices treating you like they did way back during the Iraq War ?

[thkauffman]

Oh, when Bush spent $3 Trillion that killed over 4,000 Americans to liberate the muslims and kissed the Koran the whole time ... now you're bitching about their *freedom* ... how's gas prices treating you like they did way back during the Iraq War ?

Your pathetic attempt at hijacks is nothing new. The crap you spew has been debunked about a million times. Come back when you have something of value.

[Exotix]

Your pathetic attempt at hijacks is nothing new. The crap you spew has been debunked about a million times. Come back when you have something of value.

Let me know when the worlds' 1 Billion Muslims hijack aircraft, boats and flying saucers and invade America since Bush fear-war-mongered you into believing and I'll start buying into your paranoia ...

[Entropy]

Unc, I've been pondering that same thing. Were any of the overthrown/protested countries run primarily by Muslims? Is Islam the dominant religion? Seems to me that it might be fairly easy to connect the dots.

If that happens in the ME, we are in for a sh1tload of trouble.

The issues of the middle east have been going on for millenia. We're interested now due to the financial/personal investments we have currently, and we're interested in governments that will keep the trade open and the oil rolling so we can keep getting our fix.

I'm hoping that the uprisings we've seen as of late wake up this country to attempt to create a modicum of independence so we don't have to deal with despots and crackpots to keep us from getting the DTs.

I'm fairly convinced that we can't make people have a government they don't want. If they want some sort of religious oligarchy to rule their corner of the world, so be it. If they want to invade our corner, we should show them our sabers and that we mean serious business.

However, to do any of this would require a willingness to make self sacrifices. Glass is pretty empty on this one.

[thkauffman]

The issues of the middle east have been going on for millenia. We're interested now due to the financial/personal investments we have currently, and we're interested in governments that will keep the trade open and the oil rolling so we can keep getting our fix.

I'm hoping that the uprisings we've seen as of late wake up this country to attempt to create a modicum of independence so we don't have to deal with despots and crackpots to keep us from getting the DTs.

I'm fairly convinced that we can't make people have a government they don't want. If they want some sort of religious oligarchy to rule their corner of the world, so be it. If they want to invade our corner, we should show them our sabers and that we mean serious business.

However, to do any of this would require a willingness to make self sacrifices. Glass is pretty empty on this one.

Even though it has been going on for millenia, the war was never brought to our shores until recently. I would suggest that it's not just the financial/personal investments that cause the fear but the ease of travel and dissemination of information. Never before have the two been easier. Now we can be reached in hours and the vile message from killers can be thrown around in seconds.

I think I'm with you on the rest.

[Z06PDQ]

I was just curious how after 4,000 years of Pharoah rule in the middle east ... the liberal communist caliphate all of a sudden appears after the Invasion of Iraq 7 years ago ...

easy. Beck wasn't talking about it then. :beer:

[thkauffman]

easy. Beck wasn't talking about it then. :beer:

Ooh, good one.

[Exotix]

easy. Beck wasn't talking about it then. :beer:

Well, 13 states have introduced bills banning sharia law ...

13 States Introduce Useless Bills to Ban Sharia Law - COLORLINES (http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/02/13_states_introduce_bills_to_ban_sharia_law.html)

I like this reason ...

~ WYOMING: State Rep. Gerald Gay (R) says his bill banning Sharia law is “a ‘pre-emptive strike’ to ensure judges don’t rely on Shariah [sic] in cases involving, for example, arranged marriages, ‘honor killings’ or usury cases.”


Usuary ?
Thats sounds like Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Koch Industires and the GOP/Tea Party Job Creation bills ...

[Entropy]

Even though it has been going on for millenia, the war was never brought to our shores until recently. I would suggest that it's not just the financial/personal investments that cause the fear but the ease of travel and dissemination of information. Never before have the two been easier. Now we can be reached in hours and the vile message from killers can be thrown around in seconds.

I think I'm with you on the rest.

There is no doubt that the dissemination of information is faster than it has ever been (literally at the speed of light :cool:). What worries me is that we will use that fear of information to limit liberty. We will be so scared of what they might do, that we will cripple ourselves unnecessarily. I think we've got as much of a chance at developing our idea of what their government should do, as I have of going out and buying a Gulf Stream 5 today. Nor should we try. It's a fool's errand.

What we don't have right now is the resolve to basically make them fear treading upon us. We have rules for what we can and cannot do during war. They clearly have no such ideals. We don't have what it takes to strike them at the heart and make them understand that we have zero time for their foolishness. I'm not saying that we should go out unprovoked and wreak havoc upon the world, but that when we are provoked, we should give no quarter to those who would destroy us.

[thkauffman]

Well, 13 states have introduced bills banning sharia law ...

13 States Introduce Useless Bills to Ban Sharia Law - COLORLINES (http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/02/13_states_introduce_bills_to_ban_sharia_law.html)

I like this reason ...

~ WYOMING: State Rep. Gerald Gay (R) says his bill banning Sharia law is “a ‘pre-emptive strike’ to ensure judges don’t rely on Shariah [sic] in cases involving, for example, arranged marriages, ‘honor killings’ or usury cases.”


Usuary ?
Thats sounds like Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Koch Industires and the GOP/Tea Party Job Creation bills ...

Can't even stick to a topic, can you? Nor spell, for that matter.

In another thread, you posted about having to prove with facts here. Please prove your usury charges.

[thkauffman]

There is no doubt that the dissemination of information is faster than it has ever been (literally at the speed of light :cool:). What worries me is that we will use that fear of information to limit liberty. We will be so scared of what they might do, that we will cripple ourselves unnecessarily. I think we've got as much of a chance at developing our idea of what their government should do, as I have of going out and buying a Gulf Stream 5 today. Nor should we try. It's a fool's errand.

What we don't have right now is the resolve to basically make them fear treading upon us. We have rules for what we can and cannot do during war. They clearly have no such ideals. We don't have what it takes to strike them at the heart and make them understand that we have zero time for their foolishness. I'm not saying that we should go out unprovoked and wreak havoc upon the world, but that when we are provoked, we should give no quarter to those who would destroy us.

You are so very correct. We cannot fight politically correct wars. We didn't up until Vietnam. That's when we started going down that path. War is ugly. People die. But when a country or entity attacks us, say as in Pearl Harbor, we have to become the sleeping giant that has awoken. Do not mess with us or you will feel our fury.

[Z06PDQ]

Well, 13 states have introduced bills banning sharia law ...

13 States Introduce Useless Bills to Ban Sharia Law - COLORLINES (http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/02/13_states_introduce_bills_to_ban_sharia_law.html)

I like this reason ...

~ WYOMING: State Rep. Gerald Gay (R) says his bill banning Sharia law is “a ‘pre-emptive strike’ to ensure judges don’t rely on Shariah [sic] in cases involving, for example, arranged marriages, ‘honor killings’ or usury cases.”


Usuary ?
Thats sounds like Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Koch Industires and the GOP/Tea Party Job Creation bills ...

"honor killings" would be our brave young Americans dying for oil & WMD lies. :sadangel:

[Exotix]

Can't even stick to a topic, can you? Nor spell, for that matter.

In another thread, you posted about having to prove with facts here. Please prove your usury charges.

Irans' Irainain Oil Bourse and Saddams' threatend move to the Euro as the dollar was subjected to Western financial/economic conditions where the dynamics saw a decline in the value of the dollar are most likely the reason for the invasion of Iraq and the resulting war(s) ... it's believed the panic in all sectors of America's economy as Iraq went down in flames and the impending blockade and possible invasion of Iran subjected America's banks to *transparency* and what followed was a mass exodus as consumer confidence failed as financial instruments were exposed ... Oil prices are the most proliferate/profligate on economic well-being, that is, they cause the biggest drop or rise in economic well-being ... especially notorious when a strained economy is trying to recover ..

Transparency is key here in a world of closed non-regulated financial systems ...


Usuary is banned in most Islamic theocracys/laws because of the inherent internal contrdictions of man to cheat his fellow man out of everything all of the time ... thus, the idea is not to question the methods of the Monarchys because they are generous ... as long as you have a job a home and income ... and stable economy ... you are to be happy ... apparently freedom is a problem as we see now with the entire Middle East in flames ...

Expect it to happen here ...

[mrvette]

Well, 13 states have introduced bills banning sharia law ...

13 States Introduce Useless Bills to Ban Sharia Law - COLORLINES (http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/02/13_states_introduce_bills_to_ban_sharia_law.html)

I like this reason ...

~ WYOMING: State Rep. Gerald Gay (R) says his bill banning Sharia law is “a ‘pre-emptive strike’ to ensure judges don’t rely on Shariah [sic] in cases involving, for example, arranged marriages, ‘honor killings’ or usury cases.”


Usuary ?
Thats sounds like Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Koch Industires and the GOP/Tea Party Job Creation bills ...

Well, glad to see that some states are up on events and taking action.....

islam outlaws any interest on loans......and there have been how many 'honor killings' in the news?? not on the MSM, they don't want to 'offend' anyone, but the news IS out there....

it's a well known fact that islamics are nut cases, I wouldn't trust one for nothing.....

hell, even in the Wash post newspaper, bastion of commie propaganda to the point it's referred to as 'The Daily Worker' by most of my olde tyme friend in the DC region I'm from.....the D/Worker had a series of articles about the hate preaching in a mosque/center not a mile from my old house in Potomac Md, this was 25 years ago, quite a expose' on it....then all of a sudden there were NO more actions or articles....dropped like a hot potatoe....

WHY was it dropped like that, is what I want to know....

:dance::confused5:

[thkauffman]

Irans' Irainain Oil Bourse and Saddams' threatend move to the Euro as the dollar was subjected to Western financial/economic conditions where the dynamics saw a decline in the value of the dollar are most likely the reason for the invasion of Iraq and the resulting war(s) ... it's believed the panic in all sectors of America's economy as Iraq went down in flames and the impending blockade and possible invasion of Iran subjected America's banks to *transparency* and what followed was a mass exodus as consumer confidence failed as financial instruments were exposed ... Oil prices are the most proliferate/profligate on economic well-being, that is, they cause the biggest drop or rise in economic well-being ... especially notorious when a strained economy is trying to recover ..

Transparency is key here in a world of closed non-regulated financial systems ...


Usuary is banned in most Islamic theocracys/laws because of the inherent internal contrdictions of man to cheat his fellow man out of everything all of the time ... thus, the idea is not to question the methods of the Monarchys because they are generous ... as long as you have a job a home and income ... and stable economy ... you are to be happy ... apparently freedom is a problem as we see now with the entire Middle East in flames ...

Expect it to happen here ...

Where do you get this crap? Do you just make stuff up? You offer no proof and go on some diatribe in something that doesn't resemble English.

Please try to stick to the topic, offer proof and use English.

[Z06PDQ]

Where do you get this crap? Do you just make stuff up? You offer no proof and go on some diatribe in something that doesn't resemble English.

Please try to stick to the topic, offer proof and use English.

it is well known that Saddam was threatening to take his oil off the dollar. please don't tell us you never heard that. :sleep:

[Exotix]

Where do you get this crap? Do you just make stuff up? You offer no proof and go on some diatribe in something that doesn't resemble English.

Please try to stick to the topic, offer proof and use English.

This is the example of the kind of mentality of yesterdays', todays and tomorrows' right-wing ... they have none.

[Uncle Pervey]

Exotix, you are so funny. If you actually realized how banal and pathetic you sound spouting your neocomm red bullshit you'd go hide in the outhouse. Believe it or not many people (most of the people on the forum) have an IQ higher than 75. We are perfectly capable of filtering your proselytizing for exactly what it is, the rantings of a small minded "True Believer" so in love with reading his own words that he has lost sight of the fact that nobody but the simple minded will ever believe him.
Personally I am suspicious and distrustful of anyone who would devote his or her life to "public service" there is always a motive, it could be cash or power, but there is always a motive. People who don't have a clear motive for sacrificing themselves for the good of the public or either saints or morons and there are a lot more morons on this Earth than there have ever been saints.
I am a patriot and a family man, I want what is best for my country and my family. I am sorry if my selfishness in wanting these things interferes with your vision of a world of peace, love and equality for all human beings. I am a realist, I know that there is only so much of the "good life" to go around on this Earth and I for one will fight with ever breath I have to see that my family and my descendants keep their share of it and I will support the group of corrupt politicians that seem to follow my world view for as long as I live.
So just keep spouting off, you are never going to convert me to your brand of crazy.

[Exotix]

Exotix, you are so funny.

If you actually realized how banal and pathetic you sound spouting your neocomm red bullshit you'd go hide in the outhouse.

Believe it or not many people (most of the people on the forum) have an IQ higher than 75.
We are perfectly capable of filtering your proselytizing for exactly what it is, the rantings of a small minded "True Believer" so in love with reading his own words that he has lost sight of the fact that nobody but the simple minded will ever believe him.

Personally I am suspicious and distrustful of anyone who would devote his or her life to "public service" there is always a motive, it could be cash or power, but there is always a motive.
People who don't have a clear motive for sacrificing themselves for the good of the public or either saints or morons and there are a lot more morons on this Earth than there have ever been saints.

I am a patriot and a family man, I want what is best for my country and my family.

I am sorry if my selfishness in wanting these things interferes with your vision of a world of peace, love and equality for all human beings.

I am a realist, I know that there is only so much of the "good life" to go around on this Earth and I for one will fight with ever breath I have to see that my family and my descendants keep their share of it and I will support the group of corrupt politicians that seem to follow my world view for as long as I live.

So just keep spouting off, you are never going to convert me to your brand of crazy.

No prob ... don't forget about the genesis of where your fear of the middle east originated ...


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[PortDawg]

No prob ... don't forget about the genesis of where your fear of the middle east originated ...




23 Oct 1983

[Exotix]

23 Oct 1983

Perhaps ... maybe 1099 ...

[PortDawg]

Perhaps ... maybe 1099 ...

I was speaking from a personal, not historic point of view

[hooked073]

it all seems to organized to close together and to effective. Worries me to that there may be an underlying force. We were lucky for lack of better wordds that we did not have to get to involved last month. Just have a bad feeling it is not going to be that way now.

[mrvette]

Exotix, you are so funny. If you actually realized how banal and pathetic you sound spouting your neocomm red bullshit you'd go hide in the outhouse. Believe it or not many people (most of the people on the forum) have an IQ higher than 75. We are perfectly capable of filtering your proselytizing for exactly what it is, the rantings of a small minded "True Believer" so in love with reading his own words that he has lost sight of the fact that nobody but the simple minded will ever believe him.
Personally I am suspicious and distrustful of anyone who would devote his or her life to "public service" there is always a motive, it could be cash or power, but there is always a motive. People who don't have a clear motive for sacrificing themselves for the good of the public or either saints or morons and there are a lot more morons on this Earth than there have ever been saints.
I am a patriot and a family man, I want what is best for my country and my family. I am sorry if my selfishness in wanting these things interferes with your vision of a world of peace, love and equality for all human beings. I am a realist, I know that there is only so much of the "good life" to go around on this Earth and I for one will fight with ever breath I have to see that my family and my descendants keep their share of it and I will support the group of corrupt politicians that seem to follow my world view for as long as I live.
So just keep spouting off, you are never going to convert me to your brand of crazy.

'True Believer' to me, means the man is a communist, and that I truly believe....he IS....

:waiting:

[Exotix]

'True Believer' to me, means the man is a communist, and that I truly believe....he IS....

:waiting:

In the gist of this topic and UncPerv ... and as Beckerhead touts ... Obama is now the head of the impending Communist Caliphate who will meet in Babylon to plot the New World Order ...

Imgane that ... now is Obama gonna fly out on Air Force One to the birthplace of civilization where Bush built the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, say, like when you paid Bush to vaction in China for the Olympics to slap U.S. Womens' Vollyball players' ass's ?

[Broken Wind]

I was speaking from a personal, not historic point of view

1/8? 24th MAU? MSSG 24?

[Uncle Pervey]

No prob ... don't forget about the genesis of where your fear of the middle east originated ...


http://i51.tinypic.com/11c8qpk.jpg

Exotix, I was wrong... you aren't a "True Believer" you are insane. Anyone who would post that picture and believes the implications that Bush, Cheney et. al. would be behind 9/11 is a fvcking nutcase. I hope somebody has an eye on you and can stop you before you decide to take action yourself.

[ChasC5]

Has anyone seen Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden over the last decade?

:leaving:

[Exotix]

Has anyone seen Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden over the last decade?

:leaving:

He must be hiding in Libya .. well, that's what Gadahfi says ...

[ChasC5]

He must be hiding in Libya .. well, that's what Gadahfi says ...

We where too busy looking for WMDs that now EVERYONE knows was NEVER there. :confused5: