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Tinkerbell in Texas
12-12-2010, 9:45am
Do You Believe In Magic Numbers? - Paul Driessen - Townhall Conservative (http://townhall.com/columnists/PaulDriessen/2010/12/11/do_you_believe_in_magic_numbers/page/full/)
Paul Driessen

Average annual global temperatures have risen a degree or two since the Little Ice Age ended some 150 years ago. Thank goodness. The LIA was not a particularly pleasant time.

Prolonged winters, advancing glaciers, colder summers, more frequent storms and extended cloudiness reduced arable land, shortened growing seasons, rotted grain in wet fields, and brought famine, disease and death. Coming after the prosperous Medieval Warm Period – when farmers grew wine grapes in England and Vikings raised crops and cattle in Greenland – it must have been quite a shock.

The LIA underscored how much better a warmer planet is than a colder one. Moderate warming above today’s norm would likely bring expanded cultivation during longer growing seasons in northern latitudes, fewer people dying from hypothermia during frigid winters, and many other benefits.

What caused the Medieval Warm Period to end, and the Little Ice Age to come and go, is still debated. Even the best scientists don’t fully understand what alignments of solar, cosmic, oceanic, atmospheric and planetary forces control this millennial warm-cool rhythm.

In any event, the initial warming of 1850-1900 was followed by perhaps an additional overall 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degrees Celsius) of warming during the twentieth century. However, it was not a steady rise in temperatures, proportionate to increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, as “manmade climate disaster” themes suggest. Instead, Earth warmed noticeably1900-1940, cooled slightly 1940-1975 (“most scientists” worried about another little ice age), warmed again 1975-1995 (“most scientists” feared global warming), and exhibited little change from then to the present.

The 20-year late twentieth century warming supposedly justifies demands that we stop using hydrocarbon fuels, halt US economic growth, hold back Third World development, ban incandescent light bulbs, blanket the planet with unreliable wind turbines and solar panels, make recompense to poor nations for emitting CO2 and “causing global climate disruption,” and even consider “geo-engineering” (putting dust particles or tiny mirrors into space to block the sun’s rays) to prevent warming that stopped in 1995. Even though no reliable or factual evidence shows that this recent warming was (primarily) human-caused!

These are important issues for the next Congress (and others) to grapple with. But an even more fundamental question is rarely raised, and almost never addressed.

How much credence can we give any claim that average global temperatures have risen or fallen X degrees over a certain period, or that this year or decade is “the warmest ever,” or “since record-keeping began” – especially when the alleged difference is measured in tenths or hundredths of a degree?

The answer: Not much. The truth is, we cannot trust the hype and numbers that routinely come out of the IPCC, NOAA, NASA, CRU, White House and other branches of the climate crisis industry.

Certainly, satellites have gathered arguably reliable atmospheric temperature data since 1980. However, they obviously provide no insights into pre-1980 warming and cooling trends. And for 1850 to 1930, we must rely on scattered land and oceanic thermometer measurements; historic anecdotes, diary entries and paintings that give only general descriptions of climate, heat waves, floods and blizzards; and “proxy” records like tree rings. Even together, this evidence is so sparse, scattered and of uneven quality that it cannot and must not be used to drive major energy, economic and environmental policy decisions.

Calibrated thermometers were invented in 1724, but they provide only random measurements for vast continental land masses until well into the twentieth century – and across much of Africa, Asia and South America even today. No one can calculate 1850-1950 average global temperatures from that. To fill in the huge gaps, scientists often utilize tree rings. However, annual tree growth is determined as much by rainfall as by temperature. Far worse, researchers have been caught selecting twelve trees out of hundreds from Siberia, to generate desired “warming trends,” and splicing thermometer measurements onto tree ring data that suddenly showed inconvenient “cooling” trends.

Temperature data from the 71% of Planet Earth covered by oceans is even more sporadic. Today, buoys and satellites cover large expanses that previously were measured only by ships traveling different routes, during favorable times of the year, using a variety of methods to measure seawater and air temperatures. But even today only a small portion of Earth’s oceans are measured regularly or accurately.

Compounding these problems, 55% of the 12,000 surface temperature stations operating in 1990 have been closed down – and many of the now missing stations were in Siberia and other cold regions. This alone has created a significant 20-year “warming” bias, notes former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Tim Ball.

Today, nearly half of the world’s remaining stations are located in the United States, on 1.9% of the Earth’s surface. The vast majority are in the Lower 48 States. And as meteorologist Anthony Watts has documented, most of those stations are near parking lots, air conditioning exhaust ports, highways, airport tarmac and other artificial heat sources – all of which skew the recorded temperatures upward. His report, “Is the US surface temperature record reliable?” is a real eye-opener.

However, none of this sobering reality deters climate chaos alarmists, who consistently show a penchant for distributing dire news releases on the eve of important global warming votes and conferences.

2000-2010 was “the hottest decade ever,” and 2010 “is shaping up to be the hottest year on record,” NASA and NOAA breathlessly announced … on July 28, prior to hoped-for Senate votes and the Cancun summit. “World temperatures in 2010 may be the warmest on record. 2010 will be one of the two warmest years, going back to 1850,” Britain’s Meteorology Office intoned … in late November.

“This year will be the third warmest year on record, since 1850,” the World Meteorological Organization declaimed … on December 3. Other organizations issued similar headline-grabbing alarums.

But before you say kaddish or “requiescat in pace” for Mother Earth, keep the previous caveats in mind and note a few other realities. One, only a few hundredths of a degree separate the 2010 decade from the similarly very warm 1930s – and NASA and other researchers refuse to release their raw temperature data and analytical methods, so that independent researchers can examine their calculations and claims.

Two, most of 2010 was marked by El Nino, the warming phase of the periodic climate pattern across the tropical Pacific Ocean that typically makes summer months warmer than usual. Three, the pre-Cancun pronouncements were based on January-through-October temperatures, and an assumption that November and December will be “average.”

Four, the climate and record books are not cooperating with that assumption or the hype, headlines and summit on Climate Armageddon. South Florida just had its coldest night in 169 years, Wales its coldest since recordkeeping began; and in the middle of its global warming gabfest, Cancun set four record low temperatures in a row. Other local cold records are falling all over the Northern Hemisphere, hot on the heels of record cold and snow during the 2009-2010 winter in both hemispheres.

But then “climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection,” IPCC Working Group III co-chair Ottmar Edenhofer reminded us recently. In fact, “the world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit, during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.” [emphasis added] Keep that in mind, too, next time someone says we have a climate crisis.

Magic is delightful when it’s Criss Angel or Harry Potter. Magic numbers – pulled out of hats, computers and fertile imaginations – are a lousy, fraudulent way to set public policy.

:thumbs:

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 9:48am
You are soo right, right you are. :D

:cheers: Thank you for the wonderful article. :D

Exotix
12-12-2010, 9:56am
We're in a time in Earths' history where for the last 10,000 years the climate has been *mild and thus habitable* and this has created a population explosion and for only the last 100 years, a science and technological boom ... all happening on less than 4% of the worlds surface as arable and habitable ....

It has been said that without the destruction of Alexandria (the worlds library in ancient Egypt) 2,000 years ago ... it is possible we would have been to the moon by the time of Christopher Columbus ...

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 10:07am
We're in a time in Earths' history where for the last 10,000 years the climate has been *mild and thus habitable* and this has created a population explosion and for only the last 100 years, a science and technological boom ... all happening on less than 4% of the worlds surface as arable and habitable ....

It has been said that with the destruction of Alexandria (the worlds library) 2,000 years ago ... it is possible we would have been to the moon by the time of Christopher Columbus ...

I've been in Technology most of my life, therefore it's easy for me to side with Technical answers rather than political. :cheers:

Exotix
12-12-2010, 10:13am
I've been in Technology most of my life, therefore it's easy for me to side with Technical answers rather than political. :cheers:

Todays right-wing politics has finally regressed to where today they want to burn America down because they ****ed it all up since Reagan and start over beginning in 1624 ...

Sad.

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-12-2010, 10:18am
Todays right-wing politics has finally regressed to where today they want to burn America down because they ****ed it all up since Reagan and start over beginning in 1624 ...

Sad.

off topic. Stay on topic.

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 10:35am
Topic: Do you believe in magic numbers?

Response: NO.

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-12-2010, 10:44am
Topic: Do you believe in magic numbers?

Response: NO.

address the topic not the title of the post.

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 10:59am
address the topic not the title of the post.

Is that an order General? :skep:


BTW, I did address the topic, in the manner I wanted to address it. :

Get use to it, you only have control of you. :cheers:

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-12-2010, 11:01am
Is that an order General? :skep:


BTW, I did address the topic, in the manner I wanted to address it. :

Get use to it, you only have control of you. :cheers:

stay on topic or get out of my thread.

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 11:10am
stay on topic or get out of my thread.

Hay tinkle, who is this Paul G. guy and how do you know him?

Since it's his article that is the topic. :D

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-12-2010, 11:15am
Hay tinkle, who is this Paul G. guy and how do you know him?

Since it's his article that is the topic. :D

no idea who he is.
Can you refute anything he references in the article?

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 11:32am
no idea who he is.
Can you refute anything he references in the article?

I don't consider him an authority, and obviously you can't, therefore why would I waist my time refuting anything a nobody has to say. :D

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-12-2010, 11:34am
I don't consider him an authority, and obviously you can't, therefore why would I waist my time refuting anything a nobody has to say. :D

waist?

regardless of whether you consider him an authority or not, his article is valid.
Refute his conclusions................................if you can.

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 11:38am
waist?

regardless of whether you consider him an authority or not, his article is valid.
Refute his conclusions................................if you can.

Your opinion is that his article is valid, you're entitled to your opinion. :D

My opinion is that it isn't, and that's as far as I'm required to go. :yesnod:

Because these are opinions ... we can agree to disagree. :cheers:

See how this works once you remove the emotion from the conversation? :yesnod:

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-12-2010, 11:41am
Your opinion is that his article is valid, you're entitled to your opinion. :D

My opinion is that it isn't, and that's as far as I'm required to go. :yesnod:

Because these are opinions ... we can agree to disagree. :cheers:

See how this works once you remove the emotion from the conversation? :yesnod:

ok then. nice of you to stop by.

Kneel 8250
12-12-2010, 11:43am
:seeya:

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 11:43am
ok then. nice of you to stop by.

Time for some Football ... :seeya:

I'll pop in and out from time to time ... :D

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-12-2010, 11:44am
Time for some Football ... :seeya:

I'll pop in and out from time to time ... :D

don't bother.

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 11:47am
don't bother.

Trust me, I will ... :D

Because I like it. :lolsmile:

Exotix
12-12-2010, 11:50am
:seeya:


:seeya:

Feel free to jump in anytime ...

Peter Pan
12-12-2010, 3:11pm
Global warming is cooked up to get more $$ from my pocket book

I am taxed enough already

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 3:22pm
Global warming is cooked up to get more $$ from my pocket book

I am taxed enough already

So what's for Dinner? :D

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-12-2010, 3:25pm
so what's for dinner? :d

as tinker would say ... stay on topic. :d

or are the rules different for youz guyz? :toetap: ;) :d

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 6:22pm
Hay tinkle, who is this Paul G. guy and how do you know him?

Since it's his article that is the topic. :D

Tinker... how's the background info on Paul coming?

Since you're quoting him I would assume you would know the most about what he's talking about and could educate the rest of us. :yesnod:

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-12-2010, 7:02pm
Tinker... how's the background info on Paul coming?

Since you're quoting him I would assume you would know the most about what he's talking about and could educate the rest of us. :yesnod:

I didn't know I was "supposed" to do anything. And you can educate yourself. Don't put that onerous task on me.

ChasC5
12-12-2010, 8:58pm
I didn't know I was "supposed" to do anything. And you can educate yourself. Don't put that onerous task on me.

It's your Thread and it was you who was trying to enlighten us; so enlighten us! If you can, that is. :)

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-12-2010, 9:35pm
It's your Thread and it was you who was trying to enlighten us; so enlighten us! If you can, that is. :)

read the article. ;)

Exotix
12-12-2010, 9:42pm
“the world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit, during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”

Just in is the Summit Constituency photo-op ... http://i55.tinypic.com/5jwgwl.jpg


http://i52.tinypic.com/t6q812.jpg

ChasC5
12-13-2010, 7:24am
read the article. ;)

I did, but I just wanted to know your connection to him and what makes you beleive he's an authority.

Nothing more, nothing less, nothing else. :D

Kneel 8250
12-13-2010, 7:56am
Hay tinkle, who is this Paul G. guy and how do you know him?

Since it's his article that is the topic. :D

no idea who he is.
Can you refute anything he references in the article?

I don't consider him an authority, and obviously you can't, therefore why would I waist my time refuting anything a nobody has to say. :D

Like I have said before Chas. English Comprehension and reading are not your strong points eh.
Refute the article if you can, post on topic or go make your own thread and go hack that. I'll even come and help you if you like.

ChasC5
12-13-2010, 8:06am
Like I have said before Chas. English Comprehension and reading are not your strong points eh.
Refute the article if you can, post on topic or go make your own thread and go hack that. I'll even come and help you if you like.

You’ve been handing out orders like a four star general for the last couple days; how is the working out for you? :D

As I’m sure you can comprehend, my questions in regards to Tinkerbell Thread is … for Tinkerbell. Since she didn't answer, I'll consider it already answered.

So go bait a Fish.

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-13-2010, 9:20am
Hay tinkle, who is this Paul G. guy and how do you know him?

Since it's his article that is the topic. :D

no idea who he is.
Can you refute anything he references in the article?

I don't consider him an authority, and obviously you can't, therefore why would I waist my time refuting anything a nobody has to say. :D

waist?

regardless of whether you consider him an authority or not, his article is valid.
Refute his conclusions................................if you can.

Your opinion is that his article is valid, you're entitled to your opinion. :D

My opinion is that it isn't, and that's as far as I'm required to go. :yesnod:

Because these are opinions ... we can agree to disagree. :cheers:

See how this works once you remove the emotion from the conversation? :yesnod:

Tinker... how's the background info on Paul coming?

Since you're quoting him I would assume you would know the most about what he's talking about and could educate the rest of us. :yesnod:

I didn't know I was "supposed" to do anything. And you can educate yourself. Don't put that onerous task on me.

It's your Thread and it was you who was trying to enlighten us; so enlighten us! If you can, that is. :)

read the article. ;)

I did, but I just wanted to know your connection to him and what makes you beleive he's an authority.

Nothing more, nothing less, nothing else. :D

I see you have a hard time reading and comprehending.
Care to address any of the conclusions the article reaches?
Otherwise go hijack your own thread.

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-13-2010, 9:21am
Just in is the Summit Constituency photo-op ... http://i55.tinypic.com/5jwgwl.jpg


http://i52.tinypic.com/t6q812.jpg

gee that looks more like the fan base at the Football dome that just collapsed.
I know it's REALLY difficult Exotix, but STAY ON TOPIC.

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-13-2010, 9:22am
You’ve been handing out orders like a four star general for the last couple days; how is the working out for you? :D

As I’m sure you can comprehend, my questions in regards to Tinkerbell Thread is … for Tinkerbell. Since she didn't answer, I'll consider it already answered.

So go bait a Fish.

awwww, don't like the answer?? go elsewhere then. ;)

ChasC5
12-13-2010, 9:22am
I see you have a hard time reading and comprehending.
Care to address any of the conclusions the article reaches?
Otherwise go hijack your own thread.

Naaa, after two days, I have the answer I was expecting.

Thanks anyway :cheers:

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-13-2010, 9:28am
Naaa, after two days, I have the answer I was expecting.

Thanks anyway :cheers:

oh good!!! so you can stop hijacking my thread now!! COOL!!!


:seeya: later, work calls.

ChasC5
12-13-2010, 12:47pm
oh good!!! so you can stop hijacking my thread now!! COOL!!!


:seeya: later, work calls.

You guys/gals start late in Houston … :D

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-13-2010, 2:09pm
You guys/gals start late in Houston … :D

no, I start at 7 am...most of the time I multi-task...sometimes that's impossible to do. :D

now, let's get back to the topic of the thread please. thanks.

Z06PDQ
12-13-2010, 3:02pm
"Magic Numbers" reminded me of this. YouTube - Bill Maher Magic Mormon Underpants 512 UD off topic I know,but if Tink & Kneel can do a party line in my thread,WGAF? :D remember,Romney is a Morman. :seeya:

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-13-2010, 3:05pm
"Magic Numbers" reminded me of this. YouTube - Bill Maher Magic Mormon Underpants 512 UD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JRU-dUb8EU&feature=related) off topic I know,but if Tink & Kneel can do a party line in my thread,WGAF? :D remember,Romney is a Morman. :seeya:

if you don't want your threads hijacked, don't hijack mine. Simple as pie, eh.
Got anything to add about the topic?

Z06PDQ
12-13-2010, 4:49pm
if you don't want your threads hijacked, don't hijack mine. Simple as pie, eh.
Got anything to add about the topic?
so yours was a "preemptive strike",eh? :D yeah, I'll add. GW & pollution are dang near the same thing. pollution we can readily see, but is repeatedly minimized & discounted by the Reich Wing. GW is harder to prove,so they think they have the upper hand. tain't so. :seeya:

ChasC5
12-13-2010, 8:05pm
She answered. You avoided the conversation on the topic of the thread.

Typical lib troll tactic.

Now if you are as "technical" as you say, you can easily find out about the author of the article but are willfully ignorant to do so.

If you're not as "technical" as you say, then you're a 2x liar.

So pick your poison Chas.

Sorry dude, I have the attention span of a kitten; and this subject has a diminished shelf life. What was this Thread about again? :D

Exotix
12-13-2010, 8:08pm
YouTube - The Lovin' Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic (1965)




:)

ChasC5
12-13-2010, 8:17pm
YouTube - The Lovin' Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic (1965) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o89iKsKw19M)




:)


:lolsmile: :cheers:

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-13-2010, 8:47pm
Sorry dude, I have the attention span of a kitten; and this subject has a diminished shelf life. What was this Thread about again? :D

YouTube - The Lovin' Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic (1965) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o89iKsKw19M)




:)

:lolsmile: :cheers:

in case I hadn't already mentioned it, if you want to post in MY thread, stay on topic.
Go hijack your own threads.

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-13-2010, 8:53pm
so yours was a "preemptive strike",eh? :D yeah, I'll add. GW & pollution are dang near the same thing. pollution we can readily see, but is repeatedly minimized & discounted by the Reich Wing. GW is harder to prove,so they think they have the upper hand. tain't so. :seeya:

not quite as you'd already hijacked more than one of my threads.
Now, back on topic.....
No, GW/GCC is NOT "dang near the same thing". Nowhere close.
Like Love Canal or like exotix mentioned....acid rain. NOT anything to do with global warming. :D

Kneel 8250
12-13-2010, 8:53pm
Sorry dude, I have the attention span of a kitten; and this subject has a diminished shelf life. What was this Thread about again? :D

YouTube - The Lovin' Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic (1965) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o89iKsKw19M)




:)

What a pair of cowards you two really are. You were asked for respect and have chosen to ignore that respect. :toetap:
No wonder you lose other peoples respect so easily.

ChasC5
12-13-2010, 9:03pm
What a pair of cowards you two really are. You were asked for respect and have chosen to ignore that respect. :toetap:
No wonder you lose other peoples respect so easily.

Try to stay on Topic … will yea … :toetap:
I responded in Post (#2) and (#4);
It really can’t get any easier than the second and forth post in the entire Thread. It's a short book.

BTW; I was really counting on having your respect … really I was. :D

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-13-2010, 9:04pm
Try to stay on Topic … will yea … :toetap:
I responded in Post (#2) and (#4);
It really can’t get any easier than the second and forth post in the entire Thread. It's a short book.

BTW; I was really counting on having your respect … really I was. :D

Stay on topic or get out of my thread.

Exotix
12-13-2010, 9:06pm
http://i51.tinypic.com/3515rp5.jpg

Kneel 8250
12-13-2010, 9:08pm
Try to stay on Topic … will yea … :toetap:
I responded in Post (#2) and (#4);
It really can’t get any easier than the second and forth post in the entire Thread. It's a short book.

BTW; I was really counting on having your respect … really I was. :D

A whole 2 posts on topic???? Your Mum must be soooo proud of you.

ChasC5
12-13-2010, 9:11pm
A whole 2 posts on topic???? Your Mum must be soooo proud of you.

Oh so now you’re keeping metrics? :D

Is that part of the topic or should Tinker can help you stay on Agenda? :yesnod:

Tinkerbell in Texas
12-13-2010, 9:19pm
Oh so now you’re keeping metrics? :D

Is that part of the topic or should Tinker can help you stay on Agenda? :yesnod:

so you've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that your attention span is less than that of a kitten's. :D
Do you even remember which thread you're in???????

FYI, stay on topic or get out of my thread.

DropTheTop
12-14-2010, 8:27am
Time for a change in rules for trolling idiots, GB.

For the lazy:

Biography

Driessen received his bachelor's degree in geology and field ecology from Lawrence University, JD from the University of Denver College of Law, and accreditation in public relations from the Public Relations Society of America.

Driessen is currently a senior policy advisor for the Congress of Racial Equality and a senior fellow with the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise and the Atlas Economic Research Foundation.

During a 25 year career that included staff tenures with the Department of the Interior and an energy trade association, he has spoken and written frequently on energy and environmental policy, global climate change, corporate social responsibility and other topics. He has also written articles and professional papers on marine life associated with oil platforms off the coasts of California and Louisiana – and produced a video documentary on the subject.

In 2001, Driessen edited Rules for Corporate Warriors: How to fight and survive attack group shakedowns.

In 2003, Driessen published Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death, in which he details problems with the environmental movement.

In 2007, Driessen appeared on The Great Global Warming Swindle, addressing policies being promoted to prevent global warming he noted: "The precautionary principle is a very interesting beast. It's basically used to promote a particular agenda and ideology. It's always used in one direction only. It talks about the risks of using a particular technology, fossil fuels for example, but never about the risks of not using it. It never talks about the benefits of having that technology."

Cliff notes: He knows a helluva lot more about this than you, Chas & Exotix.

Exotix
12-14-2010, 8:44am
Time for a change in rules for trolling idiots, GB.

For the lazy:

Biography

Driessen received his bachelor's degree in geology and field ecology from Lawrence University, JD from the University of Denver College of Law, and accreditation in public relations from the Public Relations Society of America.

Driessen is currently a senior policy advisor for the Congress of Racial Equality and a senior fellow with the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise and the Atlas Economic Research Foundation.

During a 25 year career that included staff tenures with the Department of the Interior and an energy trade association, he has spoken and written frequently on energy and environmental policy, global climate change, corporate social responsibility and other topics. He has also written articles and professional papers on marine life associated with oil platforms off the coasts of California and Louisiana – and produced a video documentary on the subject.

In 2001, Driessen edited Rules for Corporate Warriors: How to fight and survive attack group shakedowns.

In 2003, Driessen published Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death, in which he details problems with the environmental movement.

In 2007, Driessen appeared on The Great Global Warming Swindle, addressing policies being promoted to prevent global warming he noted: "The precautionary principle is a very interesting beast. It's basically used to promote a particular agenda and ideology. It's always used in one direction only. It talks about the risks of using a particular technology, fossil fuels for example, but never about the risks of not using it. It never talks about the benefits of having that technology."

Cliff notes: He knows a helluva lot more about this than you, Chas & Exotix.

I like it ... it's like asking any right-winger since Reagan why the Bush Tax Cuts (trickle down) will work some day ...


:lolsmile:

ChasC5
12-14-2010, 9:12am
Time for a change in rules for trolling idiots, GB.

For the lazy:

Biography

Driessen received his bachelor's degree in geology and field ecology from Lawrence University, JD from the University of Denver College of Law, and accreditation in public relations from the Public Relations Society of America.

Driessen is currently a senior policy advisor for the Congress of Racial Equality and a senior fellow with the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise and the Atlas Economic Research Foundation.

During a 25 year career that included staff tenures with the Department of the Interior and an energy trade association, he has spoken and written frequently on energy and environmental policy, global climate change, corporate social responsibility and other topics. He has also written articles and professional papers on marine life associated with oil platforms off the coasts of California and Louisiana – and produced a video documentary on the subject.

In 2001, Driessen edited Rules for Corporate Warriors: How to fight and survive attack group shakedowns.

In 2003, Driessen published Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death, in which he details problems with the environmental movement.

In 2007, Driessen appeared on The Great Global Warming Swindle, addressing policies being promoted to prevent global warming he noted: "The precautionary principle is a very interesting beast. It's basically used to promote a particular agenda and ideology. It's always used in one direction only. It talks about the risks of using a particular technology, fossil fuels for example, but never about the risks of not using it. It never talks about the benefits of having that technology."

Cliff notes: He knows a helluva lot more about this than you, Chas & Exotix.


Wonderful Drop-T :cheers:

Forwarding to the Alfred Nobel Committee. :D