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As of 1:00PM today, CST, John McCain is running out of excuses :toetap:
Looks like McKook is about to head for the ICU .... :lolsmile:
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Study: U.S. military can safely end ban on gays.
Defense Secretary Gates says military needs time to prepare for repeal.
Study: U.S. military can safely end ban on gays - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40434702/ns/politics-more_politics/)
WASHINGTON — A repeal of the Pentagon's ban on openly serving gays can be implemented now, even in wartime, with little risk to the U.S. military's ability to do its job, according to a Defense Department study released Tuesday.
The results of the study dismissed or minimized concerns raised in Congress and some quarters of the military against President Barack Obama's plans to repeal the 17-year-old "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy — hopefully by the end of the year.
"We are both convinced that our military can do this, even during this time of war," concluded study authors Army General Carter Ham and Defense Department General Counsel Jeh Johnson.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Pentagon reporters on Tuesday that existing policies such as housing and spousal benefits for military service members "can and should be applied equally to homosexuals as well as heterosexuals."
Gates says he does not expect the Pentagon would have to rethink those policies to accommodate gays if they are allowed to serve openly in the military.
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Broken Wind
12-01-2010, 7:02am
Can either or you describe why this is a good idea for the U.S. military? Also, why do you think the ones with the most to lose, specifically the trigger-pullers, are statistically the most opposed to changing the currrent policy?
I would appreciate your reasoned analysis. TIA.
Can either or you describe why this is a good idea for the U.S. military? Also, why do you think the ones with the most to lose, specifically the trigger-pullers, are statistically the most opposed to changing the currrent policy?
I would appreciate your reasoned analysis. TIA.
I think it's a moot point given the *new gang-bangers army* as well as the fact that it's the same neocons who got us into these conflicts based on lies, escalated them to the longest wars in U.S. History and now have no other logic behind their decisions of *NO* other than the escalated high-treason of the high-treason that got us into our involvement ... simply because a socialist/communist/national socialist fascist muslim n*word terrorist witch-doctor with a bone through his nose is POTUS ....
The question should be, will our children *the insane trigger pullers* be in the same neocon **** when all these neocons who got us here are finally dust in a grave ?
ChasC5
12-01-2010, 11:49am
Can either or you describe why this is a good idea for the U.S. military? Also, why do you think the ones with the most to lose, specifically the trigger-pullers, are statistically the most opposed to changing the currrent policy?
I would appreciate your reasoned analysis. TIA.
Fear is a terrible thing to live with.
Especially if you are suppose to be warrier. :skep:
Exotix
12-02-2010, 10:35am
Hearing Underway ...
http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/g-cvr-101102-gates2-6a.grid-8x2.jpg
This entire mess is silly, immature and flat out stupid …
Solders are supposed to be trained killers who follow orders regardless to their “feeling”! :confused5:
So now I’m supposed to believe they are sensitive to Homosexuals?
Tough guy John McCain needed another study, even after the Generals have spoken?
Give me a freaking break ... stop with all the fear.
Broken Wind
12-02-2010, 1:36pm
When did you serve Chas? I served from '79 to '06.
DropTheTop
12-02-2010, 3:08pm
When did you serve Chas? I served from '79 to '06.
I sincerely hope you don't ever expect an intelligent, thought out response from Chas. Nearly every post he makes borders on absurd, as he finds it necessary to insult others and their opinions / feelings. It would appear to be impossible for him to see anyone's view as being poignant, as he seems to be self absorbed in his own beliefs (and those of his mentor, Exotix ™).
zz4vetteguy
12-02-2010, 3:56pm
When did you serve Chas? I served from '79 to '06.
Don't we already have a thread on this? :lolsmile:
I never served...flat feet...LOL...seriously Italian family that cooked too much. BUT to semi support Chas, we don't need to worry about the military going soft for gays, but just going soft in general. I know things change, but listening to family and older friends, and friends who recently just went through (Naval) bootcamp, it is nothing now compared to what it used to be...even people who went through just several years ago will attest to that.
The truth of the matter is that there will always be gays serving, no matter what, because we do not all fall into the limp wristed, lisping, queeny, Richard Simmons stereo-type
I sincerely hope you don't ever expect an intelligent, thought out response from Chas. Nearly every post he makes borders on absurd, as he finds it necessary to insult others and their opinions / feelings. It would appear to be impossible for him to see anyone's view as being poignant, as he seems to be self absorbed in his own beliefs (and those of his mentor, Exotix ™).
You have your right to your opinion. :cheers:
You have your right to your opinion. :cheers:
Keyword here is opinion ... where right-wingers haven't felt the need to make the distinguishment when it comes to fact since WMD's ...
:cheers: ... :seeya:
When did you serve Chas? I served from '79 to '06.
What exactly does having served in the military and being afraid of gay people have in common? :toetap:
In the 1920s and 30s, people were afraid of Black people serving in the military, history has shown it was nothing more than fear. After that, people were afraid of Women serving in the military; once again, history has shown it was nothing more than fear. Soon, history will prove, yet again, being afraid of gay people in the military, is nothing more than fear.
Going through life afraid of everything you don’t like or understand, isn’t really a life at all. Therefore, I say, get a life and evolve or get left behind. But either way, I don’t care, because neither life nor I is waiting for you.
:cheers:
When did you serve Chas? I served from '79 to '06.
Here’s an appropriate question for a longstanding patriotic veteran like yourself; if your General(s) and Commander in Chief ordered you to serve your country with Gay and Lesbians Solders, would you follow those orders?
Yes or No?
Here’s an appropriate question for a longstanding patriotic veteran like yourself; if your General(s) and Commander in Chief ordered you to serve your country with Gay and Lesbians Solders, would you follow those orders?
Yes or No?
Can I assume your non-responce was a NO ? :confused5:
Kneel 8250
12-07-2010, 9:51am
What exactly does having served in the military and being afraid of gay people have in common? :toetap:
In the 1920s and 30s, people were afraid of Black people serving in the military, history has shown it was nothing more than fear. After that, people were afraid of Women serving in the military; once again, history has shown it was nothing more than fear. Soon, history will prove, yet again, being afraid of gay people in the military, is nothing more than fear.
Going through life afraid of everything you don’t like or understand, isn’t really a life at all. Therefore, I say, get a life and evolve or get left behind. But either way, I don’t care, because neither life nor I is waiting for you.
:cheers:
Interesting that you assimilate not wanting to associate, with fear.
Sometimes you dont want to associate because you cant be bothered with the drama bought along also.
I served in a Navy from 1966 to 1976 during which period Females were introduced onto naval vessels at sea. At sea you are confined to the vessel so everyone needs to get along with each other. When females came on board the Drama on board escalated at least 100 times. This situation was not going to change and I did not like all that crap so I resigned.
Now add more drama to the situation by adding more people accustomed to drama and you increase the tensions again.
None of this has anything to do with their abilities to serve their Nation in any capacity.
I choose to live in a heterosexual society where I can go for a walk in the neighbourhood. My choice and I dont force my choices onto you or anyone else.
Broken Wind
12-07-2010, 9:54am
Can I assume your non-responce was a NO ? :confused5:
What if my answer was "no", as you seem to think it would be?
ChasC5
12-07-2010, 11:35am
Interesting that you assimilate not wanting to associate, with fear.
Sometimes you dont want to associate because you cant be bothered with the drama bought along also.
I served in a Navy from 1966 to 1976 during which period Females were introduced onto naval vessels at sea. At sea you are confined to the vessel so everyone needs to get along with each other. When females came on board the Drama on board escalated at least 100 times. This situation was not going to change and I did not like all that crap so I resigned.
Now add more drama to the situation by adding more people accustomed to drama and you increase the tensions again.
None of this has anything to do with their abilities to serve their Nation in any capacity.
I choose to live in a heterosexual society where I can go for a walk in the neighbourhood. My choice and I dont force my choices onto you or anyone else.
Drama ... ? :skep:
Sorry, that ain’t the appropriate response from a Solder! :nono:
We’re not her to practice democracy; we’re here to preserve it! Now drop down and give 50 …! :kick:
and once that latrine is spotless, top to bottom with you toothbrush, I’m sure you’ll have your mind right long before the taste buds return to your filthy mouth …! :D
Tinkerbell in Texas
12-07-2010, 11:51am
Drama ... ? :skep:
Sorry, that ain’t the appropriate response from a Solder! :nono:
We’re not her to practice democracy; we’re here to preserve it! Now drop down and give 50 …! :kick:
and once that latrine is spotless, top to bottom with you toothbrush, I’m sure you’ll have your mind right long before the taste buds return to your filthy mouth …! :D
speaking of drama..........(and not logic)..............:above:
Kneel 8250
12-07-2010, 11:57am
Drama ... ? :skep:
Sorry, that ain’t the appropriate response from a Solder! :nono:
We’re not her to practice democracy; we’re here to preserve it! Now drop down and give 50 …! :kick:
and once that latrine is spotless, top to bottom with you toothbrush, I’m sure you’ll have your mind right long before the taste buds return to your filthy mouth …! :D
The reply you give when you dont have a logical reply.
(BTW I have done all that in my time and more. It didnt hurt. It enforced discipline.)
Look here Boys and Girls; this isn’t multiple choices or long division or even Atom Splitting stuff … it’s Yes or No! :willy:
As a United States Military Solder … if YOUR COMMAND gives YOU and ORDER to Serve YOUR COUNTRY with Gays … will you?
It isn’t that difficult a question for Adults to understand or even well Trained Killing Machine … Right? :D
Kneel 8250
12-07-2010, 3:13pm
Look here Boys and Girls; this isn’t multiple choices or long division or even Atom Splitting stuff … it’s Yes or No! :willy:
As a United States Military Solder … if YOUR COMMAND gives YOU and ORDER to Serve YOUR COUNTRY with Gays … will you?
It isn’t that difficult a question for Adults to understand or even well Trained Killing Machine … Right? :D
Have you finished school yet????
Both post #16 and post #17 answered your question for you. What was hard about that??????
Tinkerbell in Texas
12-07-2010, 4:08pm
When did you serve Chas? I served from '79 to '06.
Look here Boys and Girls; this isn’t multiple choices or long division or even Atom Splitting stuff … it’s Yes or No! :willy:
As a United States Military Solder … if YOUR COMMAND gives YOU and ORDER to Serve YOUR COUNTRY with Gays … will you?
It isn’t that difficult a question for Adults to understand or even well Trained Killing Machine … Right? :D
obviously some questions seem to be difficult to answer......
so when did YOU serve and what would YOU do????
Have you finished school yet????
Both post #16 and post #17 answered your question for you. What was hard about that??????
No I've never gone to school.
And yes I read 16 and 17; doesn't read like a simple Yes or No!
But I can figure it out for myself, thanks for playing.
We're not surprised :D
obviously some questions seem to be difficult to answer......
so when did YOU serve and what would YOU do????
No I didn't serve, but several of my relatives did and still are serving. Now what exactly does following orders in the military have to do with it? Do you have to have served to be able to answer that basic question? :skep:
Y2Kvert4me
12-07-2010, 7:30pm
Solders are supposed to be trained killers
with Gay and Lesbians Solders
Sorry, that ain’t the appropriate response from a Solder!
As a United States Military Solder
Really, is military solder that much better than the stuff you find at the hardware store?
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2552/solder0.jpg
Can solder even BE gay? Like tin on tin? :skep:
:bilmem:
Really, is military solder that much better than the stuff you find at the hardware store?
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2552/solder0.jpg
Can solder even BE gay? Like tin on tin? :skep:
:bilmem:
IPad on a train, it's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. But one thing I can do, is answer a easy Yes or No question without Being afraid. :D So I missed spelled some words on a Internet Forum. :o_o:
How about you?
If you were ordered to serve with gays, would you not follow those orders?
Show some stones, unlike your buddies, and answer the Yes or No questions!
Check Package before answering. :D
Y2Kvert4me
12-07-2010, 7:56pm
But one thing I can do, is answer a easy Yes or No question without Being afraid. I'm not military nor a soldier.
But I say leave it to the individual military branch's discretion plain and simple. They are the ones fighting the fight, they should be allowed to choose the best people for the job.
I cannot say the same for the lawmakers in DC intending on forcing the issue one way or another.
:cheers:
I'm not military nor a soldier.
But I say leave it to the individual military branch's discretion plain and simple. They are the ones fighting the fight, they should be allowed to choose the best people for the job.
I cannot say the same for the lawmakers in DC intending on forcing the issue one way or another.
:cheers:
The Branch Generals spoke lass week, and again this week, where were you? :yesnod:
Y2Kvert4me
12-07-2010, 8:15pm
The Branch Generals spoke lass week, and again this week, where were you? :yesnod:Not following this topic, as it never really concerned me.
If the Generals don't mind recruiting gay people deemed fit for the task, then I have no problem with it either. They are the ones who should make the decision, not any politician enacting widespread binding policy over what should be an individual decision making process.
:cheers:
Not following this topic, as it never really concerned me.
If the Generals don't mind recruiting gay people deemed fit for the task, then I have no problem with it either. They are the ones who should make the decision, not any politician enacting widespread binding policy over what should be an individual decision making process.
:cheers:
You sir are one of the few here who has the stones to simply say that. :cheers:
Kneel 8250
12-07-2010, 9:08pm
You sir are one of the few here who has the stones to simply say that. :cheers:
IPad on a train, it's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. But one thing I can do, is answer a easy Yes or No question without Being afraid. :D So I missed spelled some words on a Internet Forum. :o_o:
How about you?
If you were ordered to serve with gays, would you not follow those orders?
Show some stones, unlike your buddies, and answer the Yes or No questions!
Check Package before answering. :D
Thats one heck of a train ride there as so far it has been going on for 5 days.
If you check my post's you will find I rarely spell incorrectly. The same goes for almost everyone else here.
We also all know that English Comprehension is not one of your strong points.
Kneel. :)
Thats one heck of a train ride there as so far it has been going on for 5 days.
If you check my post's you will find I rarely spell incorrectly. The same goes for almost everyone else here.
We also all know that English Comprehension is not one of your strong points.
Kneel. :)
Reach in, grab ahold and sound off like you got a pare; tell the Forum; Yes or No :)
Tinkerbell in Texas
12-07-2010, 9:13pm
Thats one heck of a train ride there as so far it has been going on for 5 days.
If you check my post's you will find I rarely spell incorrectly. The same goes for almost everyone else here.
We also all know that English Comprehension is not one of your strong points.
Kneel. :)
:beat::beat::beat::beat::beat::beat::beat::beat::beat:
:beat::beat::beat::beat::beat::beat::beat::beat::beat:
:cheers: Tinker .... :D
Y2Kvert4me
12-07-2010, 9:22pm
Thats:eek:
post's :willy:
Comprehension:toetap:
j/k with all of you. :lol:
:cheers:
Don’t Ask Don’t Tell
As of 1:00PM today, CST, John McCain is running out of excuses :toetap:
Just in case anyone forgot what this post is about. :D
What are YOUR Excuses? :skep:
Kneel 8250
12-07-2010, 9:33pm
Reach in, grab ahold and sound off like you got a pare; tell the Forum; Yes or No :)
YouTube - Jeff Dunham - Peanut - "NYEWM"
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What word has too many letters, and why are you dodging the question?
The Yes or The No?
Or are you afraid of Gays?
The Generals say it's ok!
The Majority of the public says it's ok!
So, what are you saying?
Come-on Man Up :lolsmile:
Ok Moderators, you can close-out the Thread.
I've proven my point.
Fear only leads to more Fear. :cheers:
Tinkerbell in Texas
12-07-2010, 9:47pm
Ok Moderators, you can close-out the Thread.
I've proven my point.
Fear only leads to more Fear. :cheers:
you haven't proven anything! not one bloody thing!
Kneel 8250
12-07-2010, 9:56pm
What word has too many letters, and why are you dodging the question?
The Yes or The No?
Or are you afraid of Gays?
The Generals say it's ok!
The Majority of the public says it's ok!
So, what are you saying?
Come-on Man Up :lolsmile:
The question was clearly answered in posts #16 #17 #20 & #22 :D
Your comprehension abilities were questioned in Post #32 & 38 :seeya:
Kneel 8250
12-07-2010, 10:12pm
Ok Moderators, you can close-out the Thread.
I've proven my point.
Fear only leads to more Fear. :cheers:
What you have proven is the scared one is running.
Have a great day eh.
Kneel. :)
Let Truman’s example guide today’s policymakers
When President Truman issued his first executive order integrating the military on July 26, 1948, the polling was 82 percent against this action and it was just a few months before a hotly contested election. The Navy had already been integrating crews, but the Army and Marines resisted until the losses during the Korean war compelled them to call up previously segregated black units. However, the last one was not dissolved until 1954, at the dawn of the modern civil rights era with Brown vs. Board of Education, the death of Emmett Till and the rise of the young Martin Luther King Jr. on the horizon.
An anecdotal account of a Marine drill sergeant instructing his reluctantly integrating recruits was simple: “We all wear green and we all bleed red.”
It is extremely sad to see someone of the stature of a John McCain call for investigation after investigation. Now that the highest civilian and military leaders have testified that repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell” would result in no or little effect on morale and combat-readiness, he insists on another study, delay or caution.
Paying attention to that kind of voice in 1948 not only would have stalled or derailed the successful integration of the military, but most likely further imperiled the nascent civil rights movement. May President Barack Obama and the current Congress have the courage of Truman to enact this legislation in the face of a continued prejudice cloaked in patriotism.
Don’t change the rules for troops now in combat
Most of us who have served in the military know that men and women with a homosexual orientation can and do make valuable contributions to the services. Some are no doubt already are serving well in combat units. However, out of concern for the potential psychological stress on many young combat soldiers, I agree with the generals who are urging Congress to be cautious in implementing an end to the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. I would say, basically: Don’t do it while people are in combat.
The effects of this action on the discipline and morale of young soldiers in combat units is uncertain. We cannot overlook the “chosen few” mystique of the Marine Corps and the Army infantry, which has been cultivated to serve the nation’s interests and no doubt has strong personal and emotional importance for some young men who signed up for these branches. Rightly or wrongly, a sudden change in sexual orientation policy could be very stressful for some young soldiers in those units.
I would suggest that DADT be repealed now only for medical, technical and other support units. There could then be a gradual phase-in of the new policy throughout the services. This would allow young men entering the Marine Corps and Army infantry to understand realistically the new rules they will be living by before they are immersed in the stress of combat. It’s the least we can do for them.
Repeal gives due credit to men, women in uniform
Repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell,” and expect the men and women of the armed forces to behave as responsible, mature adults instead of coddling the fears of the few.
Those who allow their prejudices to interfere with their duty to their country are the ones who should be dishonorably discharged for lack of discipline, not those who have proven a true interest in serving in the face of adversity.
Everyone unwilling to fight alongside a fellow human because of the different way he lives his life is putting his or her own personal feelings ahead of duty.
DADT is censorship. The message it sends to everyone, both military personnel and civilians, is that if someone might not like what you have to say, your right to free speech is waived.
DADT is demoralizing. I’ve heard the argument that knowing a fellow officer is gay will demoralize the troops. How insulting to the straight person, being told he or she is not equipped to maturely handle the knowledge that someone is gay and assuming they fear it. Give them more credit.
Besides, while it’s supposedly to prevent loss of morale, it does the opposite by having everyone focus on watching what they say and do and wondering about everyone around them.
DADT prevents the teamwork it’s intended to protect. The armed forces rely on working together, and that bond of trust depends on developing rapport with one’s colleagues. So to expect someone to strip out a large aspect of one’s life and be a whole person that others can respect is like expecting to enjoy a cake that has no flour.
Who would you rather have watching your behind: a person with whom you’ve had an opportunity to bond who happens to be tall, intelligent and gay, or some stranger with no vested emotional interest in your well-being?
DADT is self-defeating. Peace is not kept by suggesting there’s a problem in the first place, then claiming everyone’s safe because it’s been mandated to be hidden. The only reason homosexuality in the military has become a big issue is, well, because someone made a big issue out of it. Teach that it’s nothing to worry about, and why.
Of 400,000 serving members of the United States military and their families surveyed, most do not believe reform of the rules on gays and lesbians serving in the military would affect morale, unit cohesion or military effectiveness. A survey conducted by The Pentagon has concluded only 30% believed that changing the law would have a negative effect. The report also noted that those who have served with people they know or suspect to be gay have found unit cohesion to not be a problem.
The report was produced by Jeh C. Johnson, chief counsel at the Pentagon, and General Carter F. Ham, an U.S. Army commander in Europe. Opposition to reform was highest amongst troops in combat units and among members of the United States Marine Corps, where 40% and 46% oppose changes to the policy respectively. Robert Gates, the defence secretary, has stated that the survey shows that reform "would not be the wrenching, traumatic change many had feared" and asked the Senate to support an end to the current policy.
The current policy—often referred to as "don't ask, don't tell"—was passed by President Bill Clinton in 1993 and has led to the discharge of over 13,000 troops since 1994. A 2006 study by the University of California estimated that the cost of enforcing the policy is approximately $363 million, including the value of military training that is lost when a member of the armed services is sent home. Most other Western nations allow gay people to serve openly in the military.
Democratic leaders including President Barack Obama support repeal and hope to pass it before the Christmas break. Former Republican presidential candidate John McCain believes that more scrutiny is needed before repeal during war-time. The authors of the report believe otherwise, stating that they "do not underestimate the challenges in implementing a change in the law, but neither should we underestimate the ability of our extraordinarily dedicated service men and women to adapt to such change and continue to provide our nation with the military capability to accomplish any mission."
Pentagon 'don't ask don't tell' poll shows support for repeal - Wikinews, the free news source (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Pentagon_'don't_ask_don't_tell'_poll_shows_support_for_repeal?dpl_id=225101)
God Bless America and God Bless All Americans, not just the chosen few! :cheers:
Especially All our Men and Women who serve freely and openly so that all Americans can be FREE! :)
Game, Set, Match :seeya:
Kneel 8250
12-08-2010, 10:01pm
Interesting that you assimilate not wanting to associate, with fear.
Sometimes you dont want to associate because you cant be bothered with the drama bought along also.
I served in a Navy from 1966 to 1976 during which period Females were introduced onto naval vessels at sea. At sea you are confined to the vessel so everyone needs to get along with each other. When females came on board the Drama on board escalated at least 100 times. This situation was not going to change and I did not like all that crap so I resigned.
Now add more drama to the situation by adding more people accustomed to drama and you increase the tensions again.
None of this has anything to do with their abilities to serve their Nation in any capacity.
I choose to live in a heterosexual society where I can go for a walk in the neighbourhood. My choice and I dont force my choices onto you or anyone else.
Is that not what this says???????
Is that not what this says???????
There’s no need to Fear Change … :D
zz4vetteguy
12-09-2010, 4:16pm
When females came on board the Drama on board escalated at least 100 times. This situation was not going to change and I did not like all that crap so I resigned.
Now add more drama to the situation by adding more people accustomed to drama and you increase the tensions again.
Oh yes, there will be drama...there will ALWAYS be drama
Where did Kneel said he feared it? Knock of the stupidity.
He doesn't have to; we all know the truth. :)
Tinkerbell in Texas
12-09-2010, 8:49pm
He doesn't have to; we all know the truth. :)
you wouldn't know the truth if it were shoved down your throat.
you wouldn't know the truth if it were shoved down your throat.
But I’d pay $$$ Really Good Money $$$ to see someone try … :D
Tinkerbell in Texas
12-09-2010, 9:22pm
But I’d pay $$$ Really Good Money $$$ to see someone try … :D
I'm sure there are several people that would do it for free. :skep:
ChasC5
12-09-2010, 11:22pm
I'm sure there are several people that would do it for free. :skep:
I hear a faint noise; you'll need to move in a litte closer. :D
Kneel 8250
12-10-2010, 8:27am
My preference is to stay quiet and keep people guessing rather than make a reply and remove all doubt. :seeya:
Have a great day Chas.
Kneel. :)
My preference is to stay quiet and keep people guessing rather than make a reply and remove all doubt. :seeya:
Have a great day Chas.
Kneel. :)
:D It Friday ... it's already a Great Day. :cheers::beer:
ChasC5
12-10-2010, 10:52am
Go to the Dr and get a hearing exam then.
More than likely your hearing is clogged up from all the liberal crap you chose to hear. :yesnod:
You'll need to get closer, I still can't hear you. :D
ChasC5
12-10-2010, 11:43am
Your problem not mine.
Maybe that great Obamacare can help fix your hearing problem.
Just wait about 6 months to see your Dr.
Sure, whatever you say.
BTW, I'll expect the Unemployment numbers to reflect the GOP change at the same time, 6 months from now. :cheers:
Best response ya got. I'll take that as your admission you've got no valid response.
Obama and the liberal Dems had countrol of the Congress and PotUS. When the conservative Republicans (not moderate RINOs) have that same control then you can start your precious countdown Gollum.
I guess I should agree with you, otherwise I'll get reported as a bad person. :o_o:
zz4vetteguy
12-13-2010, 6:39pm
Really, aren't you guys tired of bickering over this yet?
Really, aren't you guys tired of bickering over this yet?
Yes ... :D
Lets just agree with the majority of the Americans and leave it at that. :cheers:
Tinkerbell in Texas
12-14-2010, 10:21am
By that logic it's time to repeal Obamacare. :yesnod:
:rofl::rofl:
nicely played TxAg, nicely played!!
Kneel 8250
12-14-2010, 10:25am
:rofl::rofl:
nicely played TxAg, nicely played!!
One of Tinkerbells favourite quotes comes to mind. "Like taking candy from a baby" :D
ChasC5
12-14-2010, 10:27am
By that logic it's time to repeal Obamacare. :yesnod:
How long should I wait for you at the finish line?
Should wait for Social Security, Civil Rights and Civil War to be repealed also?
Maybe you should wave your arms and stomp your feet.
:D
Kneel 8250
12-14-2010, 10:30am
How long should I wait for you at the finish line?
Should wait for Social Security, Civil Rights and Civil War to be repealed also?
Maybe you should wave your arms and stomp your feet.
:D
Calm down Chas. Remember your heart !!!!!!! :D
ChasC5
12-14-2010, 10:34am
Calm down Chas. Remember your heart !!!!!!! :D
They have been screaming Repeal for so long, I think they’re starting to believe their own noise.
My Heart is Strong ... :cheers:
Kneel 8250
12-14-2010, 11:27am
They have been screaming Repeal for so long, I think they’re starting to believe their own noise.
My Heart is Strong ... :cheers:
Phew !!!!!! Cool. :D
You show me where the majority of the American public wants all of those items repealed. :toetap:
And please tell me how the heck you repeal a friggin' war. :skep:
Put up or shut up Chas. :yesnod:
You’d think sooner or later you’d get tired of trying to tell me what to do … :D
ChasC5
12-15-2010, 12:05pm
You'd think sooner or later you'd find your balls and actually post some facts to back up your claims.
But since we all know your MO we'll continue to see you walk around castrated.
I've worked with guys like you ... :D
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ChasC5
12-15-2010, 12:26pm
1. You don't know me.
2. You sound like the ignorant marketing morons who refuse to acknowledge they were wrong.
You go gutless. :thumbs
Did someone piss in your Cornflakes this morning? :confused5:
You appear to be a little angry. :)
I didn't eat cornflakes.
More fail for you.
Get some new glasses and/or contacts.
Bitterness and anger is a sorry way to live. :D
Exotix
12-18-2010, 11:39am
McKook just more or less blamed gays for all the Armed Forces personell who have paid the ultimate price ...
I'm surprised some of these senile 'ol (R) geezers are even up at this time of the morning ... lemme guess, when they woke up this morning, it was *wood not* ...
:lolsmile:
So why are you still living that way? Must be a over taxed, liberal Chicago thing.
I laugh at all the time, how can I be bitter? :D :rofl:
vetvetter
12-18-2010, 7:05pm
Gays have served since forever ... and there's no reason to prohibit it or make a big deal of it.
ChasC5
12-18-2010, 11:06pm
Gays have served since forever ... and there's no reason to prohibit it or make a big deal of it.
:iagree: don't let fear rule your live.
mrvette
12-19-2010, 6:10pm
Gays have served since forever ... and there's no reason to prohibit it or make a big deal of it.
CASE CLOSED......
common sense rules again.....
but NO, that 'issue' is used to distract from the REAL problems in this country....
and the PROGRESSIVES can't have THAT....it makes it harder to control.....:cheers:
CASE CLOSED......
common sense rules again.....
but NO, that 'issue' is used to distract from the REAL problems in this country....
and the PROGRESSIVES can't have THAT....it makes it harder to control.....:cheers:
McKook must be on the verge of having a heart-attack now ... and with nothing left to do since Palin took over ... http://i55.tinypic.com/jizuoj.jpg
mrvette
12-19-2010, 6:46pm
McKook must be on the verge of having a heart-attack now ... and with nothing left to do since Palin took over ... http://i55.tinypic.com/jizuoj.jpg
Put ME in there, I know more of poly ticks than McCain EVER did.....
the entire DC crowd is full of amoral bastards....from top of the heap on down to the cast offs working as K st. NW lawyers for Dewey Cheatem and HOWE....
I can't name names and addy's any more, but the game and areas of location remain the same, basically.....
:beat::kick::slap:
Put ME in there, I know more of poly ticks than McCain EVER did.....
the entire DC crowd is full of amoral bastards....from top of the heap on down to the cast offs working as K st. NW lawyers for Dewey Cheatem and HOWE....
I can't name names and addy's any more, but the game and areas of location remain the same, basically.....
:beat::kick::slap:
Go ahead, name those Commies. :lolsmile:
mrvette
12-19-2010, 8:32pm
Go ahead, name those Commies. :lolsmile:
Blanket recall...any Do Mo Crap since the mid 60's....and certainly LBJ, Carter, Klinton, and Nobam....
not that either Bush was good, and even Reagan had his faults...
the last HONEST person in that town was Uncle Barry Goldwater....
and my father, much to the chagrin of the congregation upon my speaking for a eulogy at his funeral.....I got caught flatfooted, so spoke my mind....
it was NOT pretty....some big wigs there too....I could have care less....
truth is, and bull**** walks....
:beat::beat:
Blanket recall...any Do Mo Crap since the mid 60's....and certainly LBJ, Carter, Klinton, and Nobam....
not that either Bush was good, and even Reagan had his faults...
the last HONEST person in that town was Uncle Barry Goldwater....
and my father, much to the chagrin of the congregation upon my speaking for a eulogy at his funeral.....I got caught flatfooted, so spoke my mind....
it was NOT pretty....some big wigs there too....I could have care less....
truth is, and bull**** walks....
:beat::beat:
I'l play ... why was Barry an honest person ? ... http://i55.tinypic.com/jizuoj.jpg
Lemme help you out ...
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater
mrvette
12-19-2010, 9:15pm
I'l play ... why was Barry an honest person ? ... http://i55.tinypic.com/jizuoj.jpg
Lemme help you out ...
Barry Goldwater - Wikiquote (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater)
So, even wiki there seemed to quote him accurately for what I read....I just glanced it over....even they can't lie that boldly...
At the VERY least Uncle Barry resigned the Senate to run for Prez....when was the last ****ting .gov official done that you know of???
NONE since....almost bet....
name one thing Uncle Barry said that was rong???
come on, kid, you can misread history just the way your profs do....
:beat::beat::beat::kick:
So, even wiki there seemed to quote him accurately for what I read....I just glanced it over....even they can't lie that boldly...
At the VERY least Uncle Barry resigned the Senate to run for Prez....when was the last ****ting .gov official done that you know of???
NONE since....almost bet....
name one thing Uncle Barry said that was rong???
come on, kid, you can misread history just the way your profs do....
:beat::beat::beat::kick:
I see ... you're trying to froth your way out of it ... How'bout an easy one ...
The U.S. POTUS election of 1964 (LBJ & Goldwater) is considered the sixth-most lopsided presidential election in the history of the United States ... why ?
mrvette
12-19-2010, 9:34pm
I see ... you're trying to froth your way out of it ... How'bout an easy one ...
The U.S. POTUS election of 1964 (LBJ & Goldwater) is considered the sixth-most lopsided presidential election in the history of the United States ... why ?
EASY, it was the first election the media was about 100% on the side of LBJ and there was that sympathy vote for JFK.....and the Boddy influence....
add in the EMOTIONAL women vote, and it's over....easy...including the bacon....witness all the phony sympathy plays at the time....
SO we got LBJ....who got us into Viet Nam....something I thought was stupid at the time...early 60's....as in Uncle Barry Goldwater said 'we can NOT win a land war in asia'.......
now to extend that in to anothe statement to use nuky bombs to WIN such a war was a extention of the Do Mo Crap party and the MSM....in their pockets....
Had Uncle Barry won, the 2nd half of the last century would be totally different.....
and none of this present day bull**** would be a problem....well, ok I settle for maybe 70% reduction....
:hurray::beat::beat::slap:
EASY, it was the first election the media was about 100% on the side of LBJ and there was that sympathy vote for JFK.....and the Boddy influence....
add in the EMOTIONAL women vote, and it's over....easy...including the bacon....witness all the phony sympathy plays at the time....
SO we got LBJ....who got us into Viet Nam....something I thought was stupid at the time...early 60's....as in Uncle Barry Goldwater said 'we can NOT win a land war in asia'.......
now to extend that in to anothe statement to use nuky bombs to WIN such a war was a extention of the Do Mo Crap party and the MSM....in their pockets....
Had Uncle Barry won, the 2nd half of the last century would be totally different.....
and none of this present day bull**** would be a problem....well, ok I settle for maybe 70% reduction....
:hurray::beat::beat::slap:
Dude, why do you want us to send professors to your email for a discussion ... you aren't actually gonna address them like this are you ?
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Dude, why do you want us to send professors to your email for a discussion ... you aren't actually gonna address them like this are you ?
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:D Do you get the feeling he’s an hired Gun for a disgruntled person around here?
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa it can't be :lolsmile:
Exotix
12-20-2010, 11:09am
:D Do you get the feeling he’s an hired Gun for a disgruntled person around here?
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa it can't be :lolsmile:
Easy ... who are the only two members (trolls) with the same avatar here ?
:skep:
zz4vetteguy
12-20-2010, 1:55pm
it really amuses me just watching you two go on and on and on. I live in a military town and all the people I know who are gay and str8 active duty military don't really care anymore, they are just sick of hearing about it.
Why are the people who are directly affected by it not as up in arms and worried about it as people who are not affected by it...LOL :rofl:
Why are the people who are directly affected by it not as up in arms and worried about it as people who are not affected by it...LOL :rofl:
That's easy; Because they are NOT Afraid of Guy People :D
zz4vetteguy
12-20-2010, 4:30pm
That's easy; Because they are NOT Afraid of Guy People :D
:skep:
I don't have an avatar you idiot.
Don’t Ask Don’t Tell … Down Goes Frazier … Down Goes Frazier :rofl:
:dance:
How that Lame Duck Session going 4-Yea? :D
Are you trying to say you like to go down on dudes? Hey if that's the way you roll more power to ya.
Screwing up the country one bill at a time. :yesnod:
Why does it seem to me like you’re always trying to pick an internet fight? :confused5:
ChasC5
12-22-2010, 11:41am
Come on Chas, as you said, it's all in good fun.
Remember?
When in doubt make the false claim to be bullied eh? :rofl:
:skep:Weird
Exotix
12-22-2010, 11:49am
Obama signs repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'.
For gay rights campaigners, policy was notorious roadblock on way to full acceptance
Today
Obama signs repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell' - Politics - White House - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40777922/ns/politics-white_house/)
WASHINGTON — Declaring that members of the military will no longer be asked to lie, President Barack Obama fulfilled a campaign promise Wednesday and signed a landmark law repealing the ban on gay men and women serving openly in the armed services.
"This is a good day," a beaming Obama said. "This is a very good day."
(Read continues in Link)
President Obama signs into law the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" in Washington today.
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ChasC5
12-22-2010, 12:05pm
Wonder if the commander-in-chief will come out of the closet now. :rofl:
If you’re the one who is interested, maybe you should be the one to ask him.:yesnod:
ChasC5
12-22-2010, 12:30pm
Since I have no access to interview him, I guess we'll never know.
But if I ever find out I'll let you know, even though he's not white and old. :rofl:
You can always contact the White House directly with any questions you may have for the POTUS
Contact the White House | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact)
All it takes is more Balls and less Mouth!
Try it. :cheers:
Tou really do need a cluepon, here ya go.
I could post to that form 1000 times a day and I wouldn't get a response w/that question.
That's just common sense (something you apparently lack).
But hey, since you are so gung-ho to know, you go ahead and show us how big a set you've got. Fill out that form and let us know what they say. :thumbs
Flip-Flop ... as the Fish goes. :lolsmile:
zz4vetteguy
12-23-2010, 12:20pm
Wonder if the commander-in-chief will come out of the closet now. :rofl:
You can keep him, we have enough liars and cheat in our community. :lolsmile:
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