Ohio voters repeal law limiting union rights

[Joecooool]

In Ohio, voters overwhelmingly repealed a new law that severely limited the bargaining rights of more than 350,000 teachers, firefighters, police officers and other public employees. With 35 percent of precincts reporting, the repeal effort had 62 percent of the vote, compared with 38 percent who voted to keep the law.

The decision was a stiff blow to Gov. John Kasich and cast doubt on other Republican governors who have sought union-limiting measures as a way to curb spending.

The disputed law permitted workers to negotiate wages but not pensions or health care benefits, and it banned public-worker strikes, scraps binding arbitration and eliminates annual raises for teachers.

The outcome will no doubt be watched by presidential candidates as a gauge of the Ohio electorate, which is seen as a bellwether. No Republican has won the White House without Ohio, and only two Democrats have done so in more than a century.

[pappytinker]

There was a basic problem with the way the legislation was written. They tried to eat the elephant in too large of a bite, i.e., cover a big segment of the public workers. If they had limited it to a smaller segment like they did in Wisconsin, there would have been a better possibility of the vote passing. As it was, the legislation garnered support for repeal from too wide of a segment of the public workers. Wisconsin excluded police and fire.

[Scissors]

The People have spoken.

[Scissors]

:iagree:

That said, did you write that Joe or are you just plagiarizing someone's work?
:lol:

[mrvette]

The People have spoken.

BUT to make it fair, the public paid employees should have not been allowed to vote in this......

it's like putting the fox in the henhouse....

and correct the unions should have been divided, cops and fire guys actually DO something, school teachers just baby sit.....any doubt...look at the SAT's....


:dance::beat::sadangel:

[Scissors]

BUT to make it fair, the public paid employees should have not been allowed to vote in this......

That's antithetical to the concept of a constitutional republic and voting rights.

By your logic, the only people who should get to vote on a gun ban are people who don't own guns. :slap:

[Chris Fowler]

They also voted down the mandatory provision of ObamaCare and just about every other proposition that specified raising taxes.

So it would appear that the people of Ohio are against direct tax increases, but in favor of hidden ones.

[RedLS1GTO]

The reason this happened was in large part due to the campaign strategies.

I am an Ohio resident, saw the ads and the way it was portrayed by both sides. Give the libs credit where it is due. They know exactly how to feed the overwhelming ignorance of Americans.

With the campaign that the libs put together, the average voter... as in mostly uninformed... walked into the polls thinking that if they voted to keep this law that the world would end. The Conservative side went after facts, numbers, and logic. The liberal side chose the typical blown out of proportion fear-mongering that they typically go with. We already know which of those Americans are more likely to go for.

Like I said. Give credit where it is due. Liberals know that they can get what they want as long as they can find a majority of uninformed idiots.

[AC54ME]

For me I am glad, yes I say glad that Ohio elected to overturn the 'union' law.

The residents of Ohio will be paying through the nose to support the useless union workers.

And similar to CA they will eventually be facing BK.

Way to go Ohio! :thumbs:

[AC54ME]

Oh, I came across this bit of info:

Public employee unions can be largely satisfied with their massive investment in Tuesday’s elections.

In Ohio, unions won a 61% victory in a referendum shooting down Governor John Kasich’s reform of collective bargaining rights, capitalizing on the governor’s inept campaign and enthusiastic turnout by union members.

In Michigan, teacher unions narrowly recalled Paul Scott, the GOP chairman of the state House Education Committee, punishing him for his votes to change teacher tenure rules.

Former Governor Reflects on Ohio's Results

Ted Strickland sounds off on the election results in the Buckeye State and their ramifications


And in New Jersey, union money prevented Governor Chris Christie from picking up any seats for Republicans in the state legislature.

In less unionized states, Republicans continued to make gains. They won 2-1 control of the Virginia House of Delegates and, pending a recount, took effective control of the Virginia State Senate. Mississippi Republicans may have won control of both houses of the state legislature since the 1870s – when the state was under Union occupation.

But the big marquee victory in Ohio will convince labor to redouble its efforts in that key swing state on behalf of President Obama.

The law unions overturned was passed by Kasich and the GOP legislature earlier this year and would have ended the mandatory collection of union dues for all public sector workers, including police and firefighters. Employees would also have had to pay at least 15 percent of their health care premiums and allocate 10 percent of their salary for pensions.

But the union victory also carries with it some optical problems. Ohio has an $8 billion budget deficit and Governor Kasich has insisted no taxes will be raised to close it. Absent the flexibility in public sector union contracts that his just-defeated bill had imposed, he will now likely have to cut the budgets of local governments – leading them to layoff workers now that they are blocked from reorganizing workplaces. The firehouse in Lancaster, Ohio had to close last month and layoff 13 workers because it was prevented from changing archaic work rules that would have allowed them to save jobs.

AFL-CIO’s President Richard Trumka says the victory in Ohio should send a message to elected officials everywhere: “Go in and make war on your employees rather than make jobs with your employees, and you do so at your own peril.”

But the days of endlessly expanding state and local budgets are over, and Trumka and his union buddies may soon have to explain to their members why so many of their least senior colleagues may lose their jobs in order that more senior members can keep their gold-plated health and pension benefits. More senior members may go along with his strategy out of pure self-interest, but the illusion of unions working in solidarity for the good of all of their members will be exposed as a hollow promise.


Read more: A Hollow Victory For Public Employee Unions | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/09/hollow-victory-for-public-employee-unions/#ixzz1dF1wMIbs)

Joe and Ssweet must be sooooo proud :rofl:

[AC54ME]

And who's going to have to bail their sorry buts out at some point.

Here's hint, check your mirror.
Wrong.

Like CA these union loving SOB's can suck it up and bail themselves out with higher taxes - or sell some state assets.

Wonder how they will like the fricking unions then?

[mrvette]

That's antithetical to the concept of a constitutional republic and voting rights.

By your logic, the only people who should get to vote on a gun ban are people who don't own guns. :slap:

People should/have to send their kids to school, where they are SUPPOSED to learn something or other....people can own guns or NOT, the two are not a comparable issue.....

there is NO union involved or employee structure about gun ownership....

your logic is absurd on the best of daze.....what are YOU smoking???

:lol:

[mrvette]

The reason this happened was in large part due to the campaign strategies.

I am an Ohio resident, saw the ads and the way it was portrayed by both sides. Give the libs credit where it is due. They know exactly how to feed the overwhelming ignorance of Americans.

With the campaign that the libs put together, the average voter... as in mostly uninformed... walked into the polls thinking that if they voted to keep this law that the world would end. The Conservative side went after facts, numbers, and logic. The liberal side chose the typical blown out of proportion fear-mongering that they typically go with. We already know which of those Americans are more likely to go for.

Like I said. Give credit where it is due. Liberals know that they can get what they want as long as they can find a majority of uninformed idiots.

Liberals argue with female hormonal EMOTION, not hard facts and logic.....:dance::D:lol:

[mrvette]

For me I am glad, yes I say glad that Ohio elected to overturn the 'union' law.

The residents of Ohio will be paying through the nose to support the useless union workers.

And similar to CA they will eventually be facing BK.

Way to go Ohio! :thumbs:

What's bad for Slohio is GOOD for the rest of the country.....we get their jobs....

:rofl:

[NotSlo]

Feck this state, as soon as my kids finish school we are gone

[Allan]

Feck this state, as soon as my kids finish school we are gone

You're saying your children are receiving superior education by attending Ohio schools and that's why you are not leaving now? :confused5:

[Allan]

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The residents of Ohio will be paying through the nose to support the useless union workers.

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:thumbs:

Do you also include those "useless union workers" that write traffic tickets?

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Court records show that Kasich was pulled over Jan. 8, 2008, on northbound Rt. 315 near the interchange with Henderson Road for not moving over for a stopped emergency vehicle with its lights flashing. He pleaded guilty and paid an $85 fine three days later.

Kasich's comments came during a "staff meeting" the governor held with most of the Ohio Environmental Protection Agency's employees Jan. 21.

"Here's what Kasich told the EPA employees brought in from all over the state:

"Have you ever been stopped by a policeman who's an idiot?" the governor asked.

"I had this idiot pull me over on (Route) 315. He says, 'You passed this emergency vehicle on the side of the road and you didn't yield. I said, 'I didn't... officer, are you kidding? I didn't see... where the heck was it? The last thing I would ever do would be to pass an emergency... Are you kidding me?'

"He says, 'Well, I understand, give me your license... goes back to the car, comes back, gives me a ticket. He says, 'You must report to court. If you don't report to court, we're putting a warrant out for your arrest.'

"He's an idiot. We just can't act that way. And what people resent are people who work in government who don't treat the client with respect."

[mrvette]

Kasich is right, the cops in SLOHIO are pricks....the state police being the worst....no question about it.....

:seasix:

[Allan]

Kasich is right, the cops in SLOHIO are pricks....the state police being the worst....no question about it.....

:seasix:

There is NO state police in Ohio. However, there is an Ohio Highway Patrol and they are traffic cops and not much else. They don't even hold police officer certification.

BTW - Kasich didn't say cops are pricks, he called them idiots. There is a difference!