Herman Cain is toast.

[Joecooool]

Paid off not one, but two women who he had sexually harassed.

Exclusive: 2 women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior - Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman and Anna Palmer and Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html)

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000416221/polls_red_dumbass_2030_221804_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg

[Joecooool]

Guilty till proven innocent eh?

Innocent people don't pay off those who accuse them of wrong doing.

[AC54ME]

Innocent people don't pay off those who accuse them of wrong doing.
First - "Innocent people" is who in your statement?

[Broken Wind]

I await the day Joe becomes toast.

[Joecooool]

Don't worry. Joe won't post back because he knows he's about to get his azz handed to him for his statements. :yesnod:

Run rabbit run! :kick:

So go ahead and hand me my ass.

[Joecooool]

First - "Innocent people" is who in your statement?

I really have to explain this?

[AC54ME]

I really have to explain this?
You made the statement "Innocent people don't pay off those who accuse them of wrong doing."

So I am attempting to determine exactly WHO you:

1. Reference as the "innocent people", and

2. Did they ("innocent people") "... pay off..."?

Awaiting your response.

[mike100]

Clarence Thomas survived the "Long Dong Silver" incident.

[78SA]

Was there any proof of guilt?

[Joecooool]

You made the statement "Innocent people don't pay off those who accuse them of wrong doing."

So I am attempting to determine exactly WHO you:

1. Reference as the "innocent people", and

2. Did they ("innocent people") "... pay off..."?

Awaiting your response.

You know exactly what I am talking about.

:rofl:

[jaxgator]

:rolleyes:

Once a formal charge had been launched, Cain said he directed his general counsel and the head of the human resources department to investigate.

"They then went and reviewed the formal charge, worked on the situation for several months, and came back and said, it's baseless. No facts, baseless," Cain said.

He added he did not recall the amount of the financial settlement, only that it was not large enough to warrant coming to his desk.

"It started out where she wanted a lot of money. I don't even remember what that amount was. But because it was baseless and it was shown that it was not true, she ended up leaving with several months severance, which would have been what she would have left with if we had involuntarily dismissed her," he said. "I don't know if it was three months, whether it was two months, it might have been six months. I don't think it was because of the way it was settled."

[Chris Fowler]

You know exactly what I am talking about.

:rofl:
Your insinuation is that no corporation has ever looked at the cost to defend itself versus the cost of making something go away and decided not to defend itself because it was much cheaper to simply make the problem go away, regardless of guilt.

Did that happen here? I don't know.

Does that happen elsewhere? All the damn time.

[Scissors]

Of course, if it were the exact same story with the exact same facts, evidence, and articles, but with "Obama" instead of "Cain" the right would be all over it, and screaming "you lie" and "look at him try to spin this one".

Not saying he's guilty, of course, it's pretty common to have women pull this kind of stunt. When it comes to sexual misbehavior, the mere accusation is often taken at face value as fact by many.

[AC54ME]

Originally Posted by AC54ME
You made the statement "Innocent people don't pay off those who accuse them of wrong doing."

So I am attempting to determine exactly WHO you:

1. Reference as the "innocent people", and

2. Did they ("innocent people") "... pay off..."?

Awaiting your response.

You know exactly what I am talking about.

:rofl:

Good - thus the following analysis of your statements will be without dispute:

1. Your inference is that Cain was the 'innocent' individual, thus culpable in any compensation paid. That is incorrect.

2. Cain paid NOTHING, ZERO, NADA. Apparently the Nat'l Restaurant Association paid something - possibly severance, but nothing to do with liability associated with this matter.

Apparently you have never been trained in HR, or Law. Had you it would be most apparent that if there was a valid, justifiable case of sexual harassment the 'lady's' (using the term loosely) would have sued via the court system.

Payment by corporations for these unjustified (in many instances) allegations is common place - in many instances it is cheaper to do so than going to court.

Bill Clinton paid (out of CONTRIBUTIONS from idiot supporters of his) over $850,000 to Monica - when PROOF positive existed there was not only sexual advance, but action(s).

Once again you have shown a lack of understanding of the Laws of the USA - but then that is to be expected from one wanting to overturn the Laws unless they benefit the communist/socialist desires.

[Joecooool]

DING! DING! DING! WINNA!

I don't care what side of the political spectrum one is, this accusation immediately is an innocent until proven guilty situation. And that is 100% :bs: for the guy. :yesnod:

It also hurts people (men and women) who were legitimately sexually harassed. :yesnod:It wasn't just one woman, it was TWO.

And how the hell do you know that these were not legitimate complaints?

Herman Cain was the head of the company at the time the hush money was paid out. He would have HAD to have known the payments were made.

[Joecooool]

More problems...

State firm's cash to Herman Cain may breach federal campaign, tax laws - JSOnline (http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/state-firms-cash-to-herman-cain-may-breach-federal-campaign-tax-laws-132898423.html)

[Stangkiller]

More problems...

State firm's cash to Herman Cain may breach federal campaign, tax laws - JSOnline (http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/state-firms-cash-to-herman-cain-may-breach-federal-campaign-tax-laws-132898423.html)

this is just vetting the candidate...something they never did with Obama. I'm anxious to see how Cain handles these reports, and look forward to him moving past this still on top of the GOP.

Perry had to re-pay private jet owners a chit ton of cash recently....we all make mistakes, it's just how we handle them once they're identified.

[AC54ME]

Over at CNBC, count Larry Kudlow as equally unimpressed:
“There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.”

What does this mean?

The gestures weren’t overtly sexual, but the women were uncomfortable and believed the gestures were improper in a professional relationship. These are all second-hand testimonies from “close associates” of the female accusers, but I don’t know what standards are being talked about.

I mean, based on this sort of thing, anybody could think anything about almost anything. I’m not blasting the Politico people per se. I just don’t understand the meaning of what they’re reporting.

What appears evident at this point is that Politico might have had a seed of a legitimate story, but only if they were able to get first-hand accounts with the necessary detail to show that Cain was actually guilty of misconduct. They didn’t the first-hand accounts nor the details, not from Cain and not from the women involved. Instead, they ran with the vague, second-hand related accounts from more than a decade gone by. So far, that’s not impressing too many people, not Iowans, not Republicans, and not too many journalists, either.
Iowans oddly unmoved by vague, 12-year-old allegations about Cain « Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/01/iowans-oddly-unmoved-by-vague-12-year-old-allegations-about-cain/)

And another MAJOR fail for old Joe :rofl:

[polarbear]

Innocent people don't pay off those who accuse them of wrong doing.

I've seen it happen- twice. After the second time, we made a point of hiring overweight, unattractive, middle-aged receptionists.

[sanchez]

This isn't that big a deal. Clinton used to whip his dick out at women all the time. Hell, he probably still does.

[Sea Six]

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4205/76437042.jpg

[Joecooool]

One of the women is royally pissed off now saying that Cain is lying and will probably go public if she can get a release from her confidentiality agreement.

Shits about to get real for Herman Cain. :lol:

[Stangkiller]

Typical for a :skep like you. :yesnod:

C'mon dude, uncalled for. So you disagree with Phil...way to resort to name calling.

[Joecooool]

She's an attention whore and this is total crap.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Seriously.

[Stangkiller]

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Seriously.

She was paid for her silence and accepted the agreement. She needs to accept this fate and let it be settled.

[Stangkiller]

If it's uncalled for, Joe can click the report button and it will get moved to the place that shall not be mentioned.

Why stoop to that level? There's just no need for it.

[PortDawg]

STFU everyone..it's handled... Back to the original reason for this thread..

[Joecooool]

She was paid for her silence and accepted the agreement. She needs to accept this fate and let it be settled.I would have agreed to this had Cain not now gone after her credibility.

Frankly I believe Cain may have already freed her up from her confidentiality agreement with the comments he has made this week.

Confidentiality agreements are for both parties. Its not fair for him to be able to go after her and she not be able to respond.

I have a feeling when her identity is revealed and her side out, its going to look very very bad for Cain.

[Stangkiller]

Please show specifically where Cain "went after her". :toetap:

He never has mentioned anyone's name.

In fact, only HIS name is getting smeared.

So much for your theory.

Well she's contacted her attorney on the matter. So he's not the only one with that theory. I've recently learned a thing or two about non-disclosure agreements, depending on how it's written, Phil could be right on this.

But the fact that the attorney is seeking permission from the Restaurant Association first, has me hoping she's still bound to this agreement.

[RedLS1GTO]

You only assume that Cain is guilty because he is black and the only logical conclusion is that Joe's dislike of Cain comes solely from the fact that he is indeed himself racist.


Funny what happens when you reverse the typical dumbass liberal way of thinking.

[Stangkiller]

You only assume that Cain is guilty because he is black and the only logical conclusion is that Joe's dislike of Cain comes solely from the fact that he is indeed himself racist.


Funny what happens when you reverse the typical dumbass liberal way of thinking.

:bs: that argument doesn't hold true coming our way, and that's quite the reach going his way.

Fact: Cain was involved in an *act* right wrong or indifferent, it was determined a pay off was more agreeable than a defense of this act.

Fact: Cain's tune on this story on this has changed over the course of several days. Per Fox news last night, Cain had 10 days notice before this story broke.

My Opinion: Cain was ill-prepared for this when it broke, and should have had a much better explanation available from day 1.

Fact: No other GOP candidates are currently tied up in scandals of this magnitude.

My Opinion: I don't think anybody cares that a businessman was caught up in some sort of suit 20 years ago, the bigger issue is how the current mess is cleaned up. I'm not so sure Cain has handled this as cleanly as necessary to become the next president.

[RedLS1GTO]

:bs: that argument doesn't hold true coming our way, and that's quite the reach going his way.

Please tell me that you didn't actually think I was serious in resorting to the dumbass liberal "you must be a racist" argument.

[Stangkiller]

If this takes Cain down, the next one will have his/her own "issue". The person on top takes the most hits. Romney's skated through pretty much unscathed thus far.



Sexual harassment allegations suck a person of either party to deal with. No matter what a person says, they are guilty until proven innocent. And with the MSM against him, no matter what Cain says, it's going to get twisted and turned. That's not an excuse, it's a fact. :yesnod:

Sure it is, but it's a true testament to how good he can tap dance. And so far, he's not appeared to be properly prepared.

[Stangkiller]

I don't care about the political grab ass game. And honestly, there more and more people who are getting in the category. I want someone with answers who will get the job done. Feck this game of politics. Get'er done! Cain has answers and comes across as a someone willing to strive to achieve them and adjust when necessary. No one else I have seen/heard has come close to that, IMHO.

Me neither, BUT if he had warning & time to prepare a statement for this issue, and did nothing with that warning.

To me that shows a lack of organization, maybe even a hint of laziness or conceitedness. If he's so conceited he thinks he can tap dance past any issue without doing his homework and ground work, I don't see how he could possibly win the presidency.

[Joecooool]

Oh shit, now its three -

Third Woman Accuses Herman Cain Of Harassment; Witness Goes Public : It's All Politics : NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/11/02/141948159/third-woman-accuses-herman-cain-of-harassment-witness-goes-public)

Starting to sound like a Tiger Woods scandal. :lol:

[AC54ME]

Oh shit, now its three -

Third Woman Accuses Herman Cain Of Harassment; Witness Goes Public : It's All Politics : NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/11/02/141948159/third-woman-accuses-herman-cain-of-harassment-witness-goes-public)

Starting to sound like a Tiger Woods scandal. :lol:
Hey Joe;

Do you read any of the links you post?

Or, are you still as dumb as you were on CFOT and unable to read and comprehend?

From the link YOU provided:

"A third former employee says she considered filing a workplace complaint over what she considered aggressive and unwanted behavior..."

"Wilson said for legal reasons, he can not discuss details of the incident."

[Stangkiller]

You're making assumptions.

We all know what happens to those who assume. :D

I don't care if he had a year to prepare, once the sexual harassment accusation has been made, no matter what is said, it's going to be analyzed and twisted. Period. :yesnod:

What assumption?
To me that shows a lack of organization, maybe even a hint of laziness or conceitedness. If he's so conceited he thinks he can tap dance past any issue without doing his homework and ground work, I don't see how he could possibly win the presidency.

He is not saying the same message now as he did when he was first confronted with this story. He has come across as unprepared. No assumptions there.

His lack of preparedness, portrays an unorganized, lazy, or conceited image of him. I'm not making an assumption about him, but that is what the image being portrayed is.

Perhaps you're talking to my comment about a person being too lazy to prepare to deal with serious issues, is a person too lazy to do what it takes to become president? I must say Obama did a stellar job covering his ass, and tap dancing around issues presented to him. Nothing stuck to the guy.

[Joecooool]

All up in his shit. :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDL-yQEMf3U

[Sea Six]

Phil, how do you feel watching the media vetting Herman Cain, all the while knowing that they absolutely did not vet Obama more than 0.001% of how they've already done with Cain?

[Joecooool]

Phil, how do you feel watching the media vetting Herman Cain, all the while knowing that they absolutely did not vet Obama more than 0.001% of how they've already done with Cain?

You must be delusional.

[Sea Six]

You must be delusional.

Please discuss the vetting of Obama by the media, oh lucid one.


:waiting:

[Sea Six]

Please discuss the vetting of Obama by the media, oh lucid one.


:waiting:

Stiiiiiilllllllll waiting on the enlightened Joecooool to tell us how Obama was vetted by the mainstream media.

Hey, Phil! How about you start with how the media took on the task of investigating Obama's association with Bill Ayers! An unrepentant bomber of the pentagon, the only thing he has said about the incident was that he didn't do enough.

How many gruelling questions did Obama field, and how did the media handle follow up questions to his response?

:waiting:

[Joecooool]

Stiiiiiilllllllll waiting on the enlightened Joecooool to tell us how Obama was vetted by the mainstream media.

Hey, Phil! How about you start with how the media took on the task of investigating Obama's association with Bill Ayers! An unrepentant bomber of the pentagon, the only thing he has said about the incident was that he didn't do enough.

How many gruelling questions did Obama field, and how did the media handle follow up questions to his response?

:waiting:This is simply ignorant and a lame attempt at a thread hijack. If the media hadn't gone after Obama about these issues, how would we all know about it?

Back to topic. One of the women was about 24 when Cain was 51. Thats about the same age as his daughter.

[RedLS1GTO]

If the media hadn't gone after Obama about these issues, how would we all know about it?


You really think the mainstream media went after Obama?? :rofl:

[Sea Six]

This is simply ignorant and a lame attempt at a thread hijack. If the media hadn't gone after Obama about these issues, how would we all know about it?
.

You.

Have.

Got.

To.

Be.

Kidding.



:eek:

[Joecooool]

You really think the mainstream media went after Obama?? :rofl:

So Fox isn't part of the "main stream media"?

Every single other news outlet reported the Ayers story too.

[Joecooool]

BOOM!

Two more women were subjected to “inappropriate and awkward” comments by Cain.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/iowa-radio-host-steve-deace-calls-herman-cain-compromised-in-his-private-life/

This guy is a conservative radio talk show host.

:lol:

[Joecooool]

Are you too f'n retared to RTFA? :skep:



Ok I'm going to make a statement about your behavior w/out any specifics to back it up: Y:seasix:
Now I don't have any specifics, but hey, what does it matter right. :seasix:

You posting style lately is nothing but personal insults. Why not at least try to contribute to discussions here? I'm about to add you to my ignore list.

[RedLS1GTO]

blah blah blah

Please keep your new avatar. :yesnod:

[Broken Wind]

Joe, weren't you trying to convince us during the Clinton years that "it was just a blowjob?"

[Joecooool]

Joe, weren't you trying to convince us during the Clinton years that "it was just a blowjob?"

No, Clinton was a sleazebag.

[RedLS1GTO]

Herman Cain's South Carolina Lead Grows In New Poll

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/03/herman-cains-south-caroli_n_1073006.html?ref=politics


Funny how that works.

[Sea Six]

No, Clinton was a sleazebag.

THANK you. :hurray:

[AC54ME]

The settlement agreement between the National Restaurant Association and a woman who accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment was reached in September 1999--and was not signed by Cain himself, according to Joel Bennett, a lawyer for the woman.

Bennett, who has a copy of the settlement agreement, said four people signed it: the woman, two lawyers representing the association and Bennett himself.

Bennett said the agreement was resolved relatively quickly, about two or three months after she complained.

That means it may have been reached after Cain left the association, and Bennett said it's conceivable that Cain didn't even know about it.

Bennett also told CBS News Friday morning he is hoping to issue a public statement reaffirming the accuser's claim within hours, if the restaurant group agrees to ease the confidentiality agreement that was part of the deal.

Bennett plans to issue the statement in his name, not in his client's name. It will not identify her, nor will it detail specific events of sexual harassment or the amount of settlement.

"It will insist the complaints were in good faith, and she's going to stand by her complaints," Bennett told CBS News. "It's her response to Herman Cain's statements that the complaints are baseless."

Cain left the association June 30, 1999, according to the NRA. Under that timeline, Cain would have been gone when the settlement was reached--and may well have been gone when she filed the complaint.

Cain has insisted he only knew of one complaint, and says he knew of no legal settlements--only what he calls a severance agreement with one woman. This timeline could well bolster his claims.

When Cain ran to represent Georgia in the Senate four years later, he told his advisers there was one complaint against him at the Restaurant Association, and that it was "baseless." One former staffer on the Senate campaign told CBS News that he and other advisers in the campaign knew about that complaint and believed it was meritless, but thought it could crop up in possible opposition research.

What say you Joe??????

[AC54ME]

One of two things:

1. Spin to attack at Cain again.

2. Crickets/silence.
Odds on favorite - #2

[Joecooool]

November 4, 2011, 2:47 pm
Cain Declares His Allegiance to the Koch Brothers

By MICHAEL D. SHEAR


Herman Cain proudly declared his allegiance to the billionaire Koch brothers on Friday, saying he was “their brother from another mother.”

At a speech in Washington to a conservative organization funded by David H. and Charles Koch, Mr. Cain mocked an article in The New York Times on Friday about his relationship with them.

“I’m proud to know the Koch brothers,” Mr. Cain declared at the conference of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, the Tea Party group co-founded by the brothers. “This may be a breaking news announcement. I am the Koch brothers’ brother from another mother. Yes! I’m their brother from another mother, and proud of it.”

As he made the statement, David H. Koch stood up and pumped his fists in the air, a big smile on his face. The Times article reported on the connection between Mr. Cain’s chief of staff, Mark Block, and the foundation, which the Koch brothers have helped to finance.

The article noted that “because the Cain campaign’s core staff members are veterans of Americans for Prosperity — Mr. Block, his deputy manager, the senior economic adviser — some critics on the left suggest that despite Mr. Cain’s image as an outsider, his candidacy is in effect a mouthpiece for the corporate interests of the Koch brothers.”

Mr. Cain did not make any direct statement about the sexual harassment allegations that have dogged him this week. He did note, with a smile, that “I’ve been in Washington all week, and I’ve attracted a little bit of attention.”

Instead, Mr. Cain offered his standard stump speech, in which he called for clarity in foreign policy, a new tax system based on his “9-9-9″ plan and a revamped energy policy in which the country does far more exploration of all sources of energy.

Anticipating opposition to the latter, he got his biggest applause by declaring that the Environmental Protection Agency “needs an attitude adjustment.”

“They work for us. We don’t work for them!” Mr. Cain said. “Attitude adjustment time at the E.P.A.!”

Cain Declares His Allegiance to the Koch Brothers - NYTimes.com (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/herman-cain-declares-his-allegiance-to-the-koch-brothers/)

:rofl::lol:

[Joecooool]

What say you Joe??????

I say anyone who thinks Cain didn't know about the payoff is a complete fool. :lol:

[Millenium Vette]

Innocent people don't pay off those who accuse them of wrong doing.

No, but the insurance company who handles their liability coverage often does and there is nothing the accused can do to stop them from doing it once it is reported to them. The first thing they do is provide a legal defense, then the lawyer the insurance company has retained figures out the fastest and cheapest way out for them. It works the same way with entities, such as the association Herman Cain was working for. The only way to stop a settlement is if it is a malpractice case and your professional reputation is on the line, otherwise the accused can do nothing to stop a settlement.


Is it your assertion a company has never paid out a false claim because it's cheaper to do that than to fight it out in court. Even if the accused is innocent?

It happens every day with these kinds of cases much like the stereotypical "slip and fall" case.

Of course, if it were the exact same story with the exact same facts, evidence, and articles, but with "Obama" instead of "Cain" the right would be all over it, and screaming "you lie" and "look at him try to spin this one".

Not saying he's guilty, of course, it's pretty common to have women pull this kind of stunt. When it comes to sexual misbehavior, the mere accusation is often taken at face value as fact by many.

The difference here is that Herman Cain is not lying, nor is he trying to spin it. If this were the democrats, their standard modus operandi is to attack and discredit the accuser, no holds barred. When Herman Cain hires a "Bimbo Eruption" department for his campaign I will be the first one off the train. Oh, and to address the future question of "if he is innocent, why didn't he lay it all out for us to examine when it first came up" I defer to any attorney on here to explain exactly how a confidentiality agreement works. I have never heard of a unilateral confidentiality agreement, that would sort of defeat the purpose. :cert:

[AC54ME]

I say anyone who thinks Cain didn't know about the payoff is a complete fool. :lol:
Well, you could have a point.

Let's see what another Democrat (communist) has to say:


November 4, 2011 11:27am

Albright: Cain 'didn't call me' because I'm female

Former Secretary of State Madeline Albright, who served under President Clinton, attacked the embattled Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain for sexism during her appearance on Morning Joe this morning.

Noting that Cain had met with Cold Warrior and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to discuss foreign policy, host Joe Scarborough asked Albright if she had met with Cain and how that meeting unfolded. It turns out, they haven't met.

"Well, he didn't call me," Albright said, "I'm the wrong gender." After taking that abrupt shot at Cain, Albright described what she would have told him had they met. "I think the greatest challenge [facing the United States] is our economy and our deficit, because I think it is a national security issue." She went on to discuss the interdependence of U.S. and European economies and to comment on the deficits overseas.


See how idiotic the left (communists) have become?

[mrvette]

MAYBE I can go back and read the previous few posts, but anything that KILLS that EPA is fine by ME, ALL of them, whole damn operation....

repeal ALL fed laws on that shit....the COSTS have FAR outweighed ANY possible benefits.....ANY BETS ANYONE????

thought not....


:lol:

[LATB]

You posting style lately is nothing but personal insults. Why not at least try to contribute to discussions here? I'm about to add you to my ignore list.

I'm tired of your :bs: and call it out. Don't like it? You know the button to click Commie.



I contribute just fine. You don't like getting your azz handed to you on a platter. :cry:



What you think that is threat? :lolsmile:

Go ahead and do it. IDGAD. :bfd:

FYI, ignore lists are for wussies. You use one. Pretty much sums it up. :yesnod:

and for commie cowards. :yesnod:

I've been on the commie/cowards ignore list since my 1st week here. :lol:

par for the course...

KITK :cert:

[Joecooool]

Now there is a fourth woman at the NRA. She goes public in an hour.

New accuser to go public with charges against Herman Cain - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-cain-allred-allegations-20111107,0,4984304.story?track=rss)

[RedLS1GTO]

So.... do ANY of these accusers have even the slightest bit of proof to substantiate ANYTHING?

[78SA]

So.... do ANY of these accusers have even the slightest bit of proof to substantiate ANYTHING?

Apparantly not. The more that come out making claims without any proof or lawsuits having been filed, the more I think it's all just trying to make him look bad.

[polarbear]

Now there is a fourth woman at the NRA. She goes public in an hour.

New accuser to go public with charges against Herman Cain - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-cain-allred-allegations-20111107,0,4984304.story?track=rss)

With Gloria Allred at her side. Not saying he did or didn't, but whenever I see Gloria Allred's name attached to someone, my little internal warning bells go off.

[mrvette]

Apparantly not. The more that come out making claims without any proof or lawsuits having been filed, the more I think it's all just trying to make him look bad.

Isolate and personalize......Alinsky......


:sadangel:

[mrvette]

With Gloria Allred at her side. Not saying he did or didn't, but whenever I see Gloria Allred's name attached to someone, my little internal warning bells go off.

SHE needs shot by sniper.....

ONE shot, clean off......

sooner the better, and the list is maybe 50 folks like her....


:seasix:

[AC54ME]

Witness: Cain accuser hugged him during Tea Party meeting a month ago
By MICHAEL SNEED [email protected] November 8, 2011 12:30AM

http://www.suntimes.com/csp/cms/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=oF_hpwo_GrdwZZ$NCcbn0s$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYuZ_jU7giMLfg3_qgLozUaMWCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_CryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg

The Cain Encounter ...

They hugged each other backstage in a full embrace like old friends.

She grabbed his arm and whispered in his left ear.

She kept talking as he bent to listen, and he kept saying “Uh, huh. Uh, huh.”

Huh?

“I don’t know if what she was giving him was a sucker punch, but he didn’t put his arm down while she was talking to him,” said the Sneed source.

◆The “he”... is GOP presidential contender Herman Cain, who has been accused of sexual harassment by several women.

◆The “she”... is Chicagoan Sharon Bialek, who held a news conference Tuesday as the only woman to PUBLICLY accuse Cain of sexual harassment.

◆The Sneed source ... is WIND radio co-host Amy Jacobson, who tells Sneed she witnessed the Cain/Bialek encounter a month ago while backstage at the AM 560 WIND sponsored TeaCon meeting in Schaumburg Sept. 30-Oct. 1 at the Renaissance Hotel and Convention Center.

◆Quoth Jacobson: “I had turned on TV to find out who was Cain’s accuser, and I almost fell over when I saw it was Sharon Bialek accusing Cain of groping her genitals.”

“I was waiting for Herman Cain’s ‘Accuser No. 4’ to surface — and up pops Sharon!”

“I couldn’t believe it. I was shocked.”

“I recall Sharon was hell bent on going backstage at the TeaCon convention — where she cornered him,” said Jacobson.

“I was surprised to hear she claims she did not know Cain was going to be there. Cain was expected and was late.”

Bialek told the media on Monday: “I went up to him and asked him if he remembered me. I wanted to see if he would be man enough to own up to what he had done 14 years ago.”

◆The encounter: “It looked sort of flirtatious,” said Jacobson. “I mean they were hugging. But she could have been giving him the kiss of death for all I know. I had no idea what they were talking about, but she was inches from his ear.”

◆The introduction: “It all began when I took a convention break and joined my pals at the hotel bar. Sharon was drinking Mimosas with them. She said she was a Republican, a Tea Party member, had once dated [White Sox sports announcer’ Steve Stone] and had worked at WGN radio.”

◆The rendezvous: Sharon also said she was anxious to meet Cain again and had once gone to an afterparty with him and her boyfriend years ago. But she never mentioned he had sexually harassed her.”
◆The upshot: Bialek has since applied for employment in sales at WIND radio and is scheduled for a second interview Thursday.

So it goes.[/quote]

So Joe - your and the rest of the commies LIES are starting to fall off the cliff - again :rofl:

[Joecooool]

◆The Sneed source ... is WIND radio co-host Amy Jacobson, who tells Sneed she witnessed the Cain/Bialek encounter a month ago while backstage at the AM 560 WIND sponsored TeaCon meeting in Schaumburg Sept. 30-Oct. 1 at the Renaissance Hotel and Convention Center.

So Joe - your and the rest of the commies LIES are starting to fall off the cliff - again :rofl:So you want to go after her character?

Classy.

Well two can play that game. Lets look at the character of the woman who is making these accusations.

Reporter's pool visit results in departure - chicagotribune.com (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-070709jacobsonjul09,0,3666517.story)

Chicago Reporter Fired for Swimming With Missing Mom Lisa Stebic's Husband is 'Devastated' | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288918,00.html)

:lol:

[RedLS1GTO]

So you want to go after her character?

Classy.



You judging someone's class is pretty hilarious.

...made even better by the fact that you didn't even go a single sentence before doing the exact same thing yourself.

[Stangkiller]

So my understanding is Cain has flat out denied this latest accusation. Has he offered any proof yet? Or is it still his word against hers?

[AC54ME]

So my understanding is Cain has flat out denied this latest accusation. Has he offered any proof yet? Or is it still his word against hers?
Proof?

How in the fck do you provide any proof to an allegation?

The allegations contain not a SHRED of proof that any thing inappropriate occurred.

Proof - let the fcking accuser(s) step up to the plate - provide a dress with come strains, or recordings (ala Clinton), or dead bodies (ala Kennedy).

[Stangkiller]

Proof?

How in the fck do you provide any proof to an allegation?

The allegations contain not a SHRED of proof that any thing inappropriate occurred.

Proof - let the fcking accuser(s) step up to the plate - provide a dress with come strains, or recordings (ala Clinton), or dead bodies (ala Kennedy).

There's at least one "Personnel Agreement" which could be produced.

[AC54ME]

There's at least one "Personnel Agreement" which could be produced.
Between the COMPANY and the so called victim.

Not a lawyer are you?

[AC54ME]

Cain Accuser Bialek Fired From NRA For False Accustations Of Sexual AssaultNovember 8th, 2011 (87) Posted By Toro520.



One might be asking themselves why Ms. Bialek was fired from the National Restaurant Association. After all, being fired, quite unlike simply being laid off, is a serious issue with serious ramifications; since leaving the Restuarant Association, Ms. Bialek has been unable to maintain regular employment. So why was this woman let go? Why has it seemingly affected her ability to remain employed for so long?

Perhaps it might have something to do with the reason she was fired from the National Restaurant Association in the first place…

FILING FALSE CLAIMS OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT

“She was fired from her job, and her boyfriend suggested she contact Cain in hopes he could help her find employment.”.

In this particular incident she was fired for falsely accusing her boss of sexual harassment, a charge denied by co-workers, as well as being pretty much a pain in the ass to work with.

“I remember her as a time-waster, and rabble-rouser. If she didn’t get her way she cried about sexual harassment”. A former co-worker, a female no less, emailed me. “She was trouble with a capital “T”. The fact that she waited 13 years and never said a word not even during Cain’s earlier forays into politics. She only now magically appears because Cain is leading in some polls and proving a threat to Barack Obama?

Ms. Bialek claims that she informed her then-boyfriend after the incident – a man who cannot be contacted by media; an ABC interview with the fiance reveals that the new boyfriend only became aware of the story approximately 2 weeks ago (end of segment):


Further investigations suggest that Ms. Bialek has a “history” of using sexual harassment claims as a weapon in the workplace – LISTEN HERE
More from theChicago Tribune:

Bialek said she shared her allegations with her then-boyfriend and another male friend shortly after her meeting with Cain. However, the man she is now engaged to said she did not tell him about her history with the former Godfather’s Pizza CEO until Friday night, when she told him she was going to New York for the news conference.

Report: Cain Accuser Bialek Fired From NRA For False Accustations Of Sexual Assault at Pat Dollard (http://patdollard.com/2011/11/bialek-deconstructed-accustations-quickly-erode-under-scrutiny/)

[RedLS1GTO]

Report: Cain Accuser Bialek Fired From NRA For False Accustations Of Sexual Assault at Pat Dollard (http://patdollard.com/2011/11/bialek-deconstructed-accustations-quickly-erode-under-scrutiny/)


:slap:

[RedLS1GTO]

So my understanding is Cain has flat out denied this latest accusation. Has he offered any proof yet? Or is it still his word against hers?

Let's say hypothetically that I accused you of having sexual relations with Joecoool.


Exactly how would you go about proving that you didn't... other than your word?

[Joecooool]

Report: Cain Accuser Bialek Fired From NRA For False Accustations Of Sexual Assault at Pat Dollard (http://patdollard.com/2011/11/bialek-deconstructed-accustations-quickly-erode-under-scrutiny/)Your story has no basis in fact. Its some bullshit a loon put up on a web site.

:slap:Sucker. :lol:

[RedLS1GTO]

Your story has no basis in fact. Its some bullshit a loon put up on a web site.

Sucker. :lol:

That story has no basis in fact?? Please show me the FACTS that back the accusations against Cain.

I said it before and I'll say it again, the really pathetic part is how bad you WANT him to be guilty of something.

[Joecooool]

That story has no basis in fact?? Please show me the FACTS that back the accusations against Cain.

I said it before and I'll say it again, the really pathetic part is how bad you WANT him to be guilty of something.

And yet you want him so desperately for president that you will believe any made up bullshit that supports him. :lol:

[VITE1]

And yet you want him so desperately for president that you will believe any made up bullshit that supports him. :lol:

And the Left wanted BHO so bad they did not look beyond the facade of the well spoken Negro.

[AC54ME]

Hey Joe:

Player (http://wlsam.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=16521&ID=2329023)

[MrPeabody]

And yet you want him so desperately for president that you will believe any made up bullshit that supports him. :lol:

I havent seen enough evidence to be sure of anything yet.

And fair is fair, Joe, you so desperately want him to not be president you would believe any made up bullshit that accuses him.

He will probably come through this OK, just like Clinton did in '92. Whether he can win the nomonation is still in question, but I don't think he's lost any of his regular supporters.

[RedLS1GTO]

And yet you want him so desperately for president that you will believe any made up bullshit that supports him. :lol:

Wrong as always.

If he is guilty... ring him up. If there was proof of him sexually assaulting women I wouldn't for one second want him as the President. The difference is that unlike you, I prefer to look at facts.

Again, you WANTING him to be guilty is pathetic...



On a side note, why do you feel the need to end every post with :lol:?

Is it because even you realize that the stupid shit you say is laughable?

[RedLS1GTO]

Please show me the FACTS that back the accusations against Cain.

I noticed that you failed to reply to this part of the post you quoted.

Why is that?

:waiting:

[Joecooool]

I noticed that you failed to reply to this part of the post you quoted.

Why is that?

:waiting:

Two women were paid off. Thats enough for most rational folks. :cert:

[RedLS1GTO]

Two women were paid off. Thats enough for most rational folks. :cert:

I think that funniest part of that otherwise clueless statement is that you apparently consider yourself rational.

[VITE1]

Now there is a fourth woman at the NRA. She goes public in an hour.

New accuser to go public with charges against Herman Cain - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-cain-allred-allegations-20111107,0,4984304.story?track=rss)

Illinois Review: Clinton's list of ignored accusers (http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2011/11/clintons-list-of-ignored-accusers.html)

Wednesday, November 02, 2011


Clinton's list of ignored accusers



With so much media interest in the accusations against Herman Cain, one wonders where were the "truth-seeking" press was during the Clinton presidency? Clinton is now the godfather of the Democratic National Party and still one of its most revered leaders and profitable fundraisers. The list of women that stepped forward and publicly complained about the former President are:
•Juanita Broaddrick (AR)- rape
•Eileen Wellstone (Oxford) - rape
•Elizabeth Ward Gracen - rape - quid pro quo, post incident intimidation
•Regina Hopper Blakely - "forced himself on her, biting, bruising her"
•Kathleen Willey (WH) - sexual assault, intimidations, threats
•Sandra Allen James (DC) - sexual assault
•22 Year Old 1972 (Yale) - sexual assault
•Kathy Bradshaw (AK) - sexual assault
•Cristy Zercher - unwelcomed sexual advance, intimidations

•Paula Jones (AR) - unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault

Carolyn Moffet -unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
1974 student at University of Arkansas - unwelcomed physical contact
1978-1980 - seven complaints per Arkansas state troopers
Monica Lewinsky - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Gennifer Flowers - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Dolly Kyle Browning - post incident character assault
Sally Perdue - post incident threats
Betty Dalton - rebuffed his advances, married to one of his supporters
Denise Reeder - apologetic note scanned

Hypocrisy thy name is Dem.

[Broken Wind]

You judging someone's class is pretty hilarious.



Damn

[Broken Wind]

I think that funniest part of that otherwise clueless statement is that you apparently consider yourself rational.

Double damn

[AC54ME]

HEY JOE:

This ain't no blog article: :rofl:

Cain Accuser Filed Complaint in Next Job...anyone see a pattern?

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WASHINGTON – A woman who settled a sexual harassment complaint against GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain in 1999 complained three years later at her next job about unfair treatment, saying she should be allowed to work from home after a serious car accident and accusing a manager of circulating a sexually charged email, The Associated Press has learned.

Karen Kraushaar, 55, filed the complaint while working as a spokeswoman at the Immigration and Naturalization Service in the Justice Department in late 2002 or early 2003, with the assistance of her lawyer, Joel Bennett, who also handled her earlier sexual harassment complaint against Cain in 1999. Three former supervisors familiar with Kraushaar's complaint, which did not include a claim of sexual harassment, described it for the AP under condition of anonymity because the matter was handled internally by the agency and was not public.

To settle the complaint at the immigration service, Kraushaar initially demanded thousands of dollars in payment, a reinstatement of leave she used after the accident earlier in 2002, promotion on the federal pay scale and a one-year fellowship to Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, according to a former supervisor familiar with the complaint. The promotion itself would have increased her annual salary between $12,000 and $16,000, according to salary tables in 2002 from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management.

Kraushaar told the AP she considered her employment complaint "relatively minor" and she later dropped it.

"The concern was that there may have been discrimination on the job and that I was being treated unfairly," Kraushaar said.

Kraushaar said Tuesday she did not remember details about the complaint and did not remember asking for a payment, a promotion or a Harvard fellowship. Bennett, her lawyer, declined to discuss the case with the AP, saying he considered it confidential. Kraushaar left her job at the immigration service after dropping the complaint in 2003, and she went to work at the Treasury Department.

Details of the workplace complaint that Kraushaar made at the immigration service are relevant because they could offer insights into how she responded to conflicts at work. She now works as a spokeswoman in the office of the Treasury Department's inspector general for tax administration.

Kraushaar's complaint was based on supervisors denying her request to work full time from home after a serious car accident in 2002, three former supervisors said. Two of them said Kraushaar also was denied previous requests to work from home before the car accident.

The complaint also cited as objectionable an email that a manager had circulated comparing computers to women and men, a former supervisor said. The complaint claimed that the email, based on humor widely circulated on the Internet, was sexually explicit, according to the supervisor, who did not have a copy of the email. The joke circulated online lists reasons men and women were like computers, including that men were like computers because "in order to get their attention, you have to turn them on." Women were like computers because "even your smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for later retrieval."

Kraushaar told the AP that she remembered the complaint focusing on supervisors denying her the opportunity to work from home after her car accident. She said other employees were allowed to work from home.

Kraushaar, who is married and lives in suburban Maryland, was among two women who formally settled harassment complaints against Cain in exchange for severance payments in the late 1990s when they worked at the restaurant association. Bennett has said Kraushaar settled her claim during the summer of 1999, shortly after Cain left the organization. Neither Kraushaar nor Bennett have described exactly what Cain was accused of saying or doing to Kraushaar when she worked there, although Bennett said Kraushaar wants to conduct a joint news conference with all the women who have accused Cain. The New York Times reported previously that Kraushaar received $45,000 in the settlement with the restaurant association.

Kraushaar agreed to discuss some aspects of the complaint at the immigration service if the AP agreed to protect her privacy, as it did in previous accounts of her complaint against Cain. She subsequently waived her privacy by confirming for news organizations her identity as one of two women who settled complaints against Cain, so the AP no longer is protecting Kraushaar's identity.

Cain has denied that he sexually harassed Kraushaar and others who have accused him of inappropriate behavior.

In a news conference Tuesday evening, Cain said allegations of sexual harassment by Kraushaar -- whom Cain identified by name for the first time -- were determined to be "baseless," but he did not explain who made this determination and Kraushaar has disputed this. Cain said that after negotiations between Bennett and the restaurant association's outside counsel she received money under an employment agreement, which Cain said was different from a legal settlement.

"When she made her accusations, they were found to be baseless and she could not find anyone to corroborate her story," Cain said.

Cain said he remembered gesturing to Kraushaar and noting that she was the same height as Cain's wife, about chin-high to Cain. The Georgia businessman said Kraushaar did not react noticeably, but he said the restaurant association lawyer later told him that was the most serious claim that Kraushaar made against him, "the one she was most upset about."

"Other things that might have been in the accusations, I'm not aware of, I don't remember," Cain said.

Sharon Bialek, a Chicago woman who once worked for the restaurant association's education foundation, accused Cain in a nationally televised news conference this week of groping her and attempting to force himself on her inside a parked car after they had dinner in 1997. Another woman told the AP that Cain made unwanted sexual advances to her while she worked for the association, and a pollster said he witnessed Cain sexually harass another woman after an association dinner.

Kraushaar's complaint at the immigration service prompted managers to use caution when writing and speaking to Kraushaar while the complaint was being investigated, another former supervisor told the AP. Two supervisors said Kraushaar asked a colleague to act as a witness when she had conversations with one manager after she filed her complaint.

The complaint at the immigration service was "nobody's business," Kraushaar said, because it was irrelevant to her sexual harassment settlement with Cain years earlier. "What you're looking for here is evidence of an employee who is out to get people," she said. "That's completely untrue."

Kraushaar, who started her career in Washington as a reporter, was praised for her work in 2000 when she traveled to Miami to help agency officials during the coverage of the Elian Gonzalez case, when federal agents seized the boy from relatives to return him to his father in Cuba.

"Ms. Kraushaar's assistance was invaluable and her performance extraordinary," wrote Robert A. Wallis, the immigration service district director in Miami. Kraushaar provided seven such letters of recommendation to show that her performance was commendable while working at the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the restaurant association and the immigration service.
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-accuser-filed-complaint-next-job-080946066.html
Appears the wheels are starting to wobble on old Joe's cart.

[RedLS1GTO]

Kraushaar said Tuesday she did not remember details about the complaint and did not remember asking for a payment, a promotion or a Harvard fellowship.

Funny that she doesn't remember this but remembers in enough detail to quote exactly what happened 13 years ago. :rolleyes:

[Joecooool]

Washington (CNN) - Karen Kraushaar, who went public earlier Tuesday confirming she was one of the women who previously filed a sexual harassment claim against Herman Cain, told CNN she is considering releasing the details of her allegations against Cain.

"I have kept all of the copies of my allegations," she said. "So I believe that could happen."

In her first interview since Cain's Tuesday news conference - in which he vehemently denied ever sexually harassing anyone - Kraushaar refused to comment specifically on Cain's defense. But she did say that if the female accusers get together to air their charges publicly, she expected he would still deny them.

"He's a serial denier," she said. "He will deny if it is four or 40 women."

Even so, Kraushaar told CNN she would like to organize a joint press conference some time in the near future with some of the other women who have alleged sexual harassment against Cain.

"There is safety in numbers," she said. "It is important that it happen in one conference."

Kraushaar's attorney, Joel Bennett, told CNN that Gloria Allred and her client, Sharon Bialek, have agreed to participate.

Kraushaar added that "it's so uncomfortable for people to say what happened" - as Bialek did earlier this week with her public allegations - that "with the redaction of certain names," documents might be the least painful way for the women to tell their stories.

Saying it's "no longer a private matter" she called the alleged sexual harassment by Cain "a personally embarrassing matter."

She made the case that, as a civil servant now working for the Treasury Department, she is a "federal career employee and I can't enter into electioneering." But, she added, 'sexual harassment is not a Democratic problem or a Republican problem. It's an American problem."

Kraushaar told CNN she entered into a $46,000 sexual harassment settlement with the National Restaurant Association in 1999 and said she was aware of the other settlement the association previously reached with a different employee.

"I lived by the strictures of the confidentiality agreement for 12 years," she told CNN. But when approached by Politico, she felt like she couldn't deny the story. The site "had two names," she said. "At that point, if I deny, I'm lying."

Kraushaar knows something about the media. She currently serves as the spokesman for a bureau within the Treasury Department.

She also indicated that Cain's story about her - in which he says that he gesturing that her she is the same height as his wife - has nothing to do with her harassment allegations

"A comment like that is so innocuous it wasn't even a part of my complaint," she said, allowing that it sounds "vaguely familiar." Without disclosing details, she said that there was "an incident in my office that was part of my complaint" that was the "inappropriate behavior."

Trying to pre-empt criticism, she also confirmed that she had filed one complaint while working at another federal agency about not being able to telecommute after a car accident while a colleague was able to do so - and she felt it was unfair. She says she was always an employee in good standing.

[AC54ME]

Let her put up or shut up.

Either come out with the proof or be shown for the fraud you are.

Clock is ticking on her credibility. :yesnod:
Clock struck twelve - and she turned into a witch.

Joe can continue accepting the absurd allegations the left is spinning, but then he, along with them are totally fearful that a conservative is going to run in the GOP instead of the RINO's Perry and Romney (which would allow the left to continue their march toward communism).

Should that occur the left, and Joe, will be sucking hind teat. The demise of the Democrat/Liberal (communists, one and all) will be sent to the scrap heap of history.

[AC54ME]

Hey Joe - some more humble pie for you:

Defenders of Herman Cain carry nasty baggage of their own


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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 -

There are two sides to every story; whether you believe one side or the other often depends on which side you stand. In Chicago, it may be the red or the blue side, more than the true or untrue side.

Such is the case with the political sexual harassment melodrama involving GOP presidential hopeful Herman Cain and his first public accuser, Sharon Bialek.

With full disclosure, I report that I knew Sharon Bialek. In 2007, she was handling new business development at CBS-owned WCKG-FM in Chicago while I was producing a TV series that aired on WFLD-TV (FOX). We both had some sponsorship inventory to sell and met over many months to discuss ways we could develop advertising packages together.

She struck me as hard working, professional, and disinterested in politics. She was nice. But, being from Chicago – well she is actually in far northern suburb, Mundelein – stories from the dual-sided city cannot always be taken for their face value.

Since her first press conference Monday in New York, with celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred standing to her side, theories on Bialek have been swirling in conservative circles: Was she paid to come forward about Herman Cain? Was she promised a job? Why is Gloria Allred, a Democrat political operative, involved and what is she getting out of it?

"I was not paid to come forward, nor was I promised any employment. Nothing at all," Bialek said on Good Morning America Tuesday morning. "I'm just doing this because it's the right thing to do."

But Bialek’s remarks have not stopped the rumor mill from grinding. CBS Channel 2 Chicago reporter Dana Kozlov presented a pile of legal documents filed against Bialek, including dual bankruptcies, liens against her property from service providers and the IRS, a paternity lawsuit and five civil law suits, in her report on what be a motivating force behind Bialek’s actions.

While her fiancée vehemently denies she would do such a thing for money.

Yet another side of the Bialek-Cain story to consider. But wait, there is more.

According to a Chicago Sun-Times report, a witness saw Bialek embrace Cain “backstage” at TEACON, a recent Tea Party convention in October. “She grabbed his [Cain’s] arm and whispered in his left ear,” said Amy Jacobson, a co-host at Salem Broadcasting-owned AM 560 WIND. “She kept talking as he bent to listen, and he kept saying ‘“Uh, huh. Uh, huh.’”

Chicago’s Michael Sneed of the Sun-Times reports that Jacobsen described it as “They hugged each other backstage in a full embrace like old friends…”

So we have side one of the encounter, and embellished side two and then we have Bialek telling of her interaction with Cain at Teacon.

“I didn’t actually know he would be there [at the Tea Party event] but the night before, when my girlfriend told me, I went up to him and asked him: “Do you remember me?”…I guess I wanted to see if he was going to be man enough to own up to what he had done some 14 years ago,” said Bialek about the encounter.

However Cain’s participation of the Schaumberg, Illinois event was widely publicized. One must believe that she would be aware that the Presidential candidate would be there.

But then maybe it was not as Amy Jacobson claims, as she has a credibility gap of her own. In 2007, she was fired from NBC after she was videotaped frolicking in her bikini with her two young kids at the home of Craig Stebic, whose estranged wife has been missing now for four years.

This was cause for her termination because Jacobson, the reporter, was supposed to be investigating Stebic as a person of interest in his wife’s disappearance. Apparently, the lush backyard pool beckoned and with bikini and kids, she jumped in feet first.

Later, Jacobson admitted it was a “lapse in judgment.”

The Jacobson eventually had a conservative "conversion" and landed the co-host position on the 5,000 watt local station, one of 95 owned by Salem Communications and ranking 36th in the market according to October Arbitron rating, says the Chicago Tribune’s Robert Channick.

Although some organizers of the TEACON event are corroborating Jacobson’s account of Bialek and Cain’s most recent interaction, we must look at the other side of that story where TEACON has its own dark cloud hanging over it.

Arrested in 2009 for solicitation, avowed family man Steve Stevlic, the main organizer of TEACON and, at the time of Teacon in October 2011, the head of the Chicago Tea Party Patriots, was forced to resign when it was reported that he had been arrested for soliciting a prostitute.

Charges were dropped when he agreed to enter a treatment program for “johns.” With defenders like these, who needs enemies? Certainly not Herman Cain.

So what is the truth? And, with all the mudslinging, can it ever be determined?

Charges of sexual harassment are an easy weapon to aim at a conservative political candidate. It is a “he-said, she-said” smorgasbord of un-provable accusations. In the end, it all comes down to credibility.

To win, each side of the political aisle must chip away at the other side’s credibility. And credibility is key.

To date, the allegations of sexual harassment against Cain have only served to embolden the GOP electorate, which views the national media with suspicion and disdain. The latest USA Today/Gallup poll continues to show Cain in a virtual tie with former Gov. Mitt Romney at 21%.

“What we don’t want to have happen is for an innocent man and a great candidate to be destroyed just because the liberal media want to re-elect President Obama,” said one Cain supporter from Chicago, who wished to remain unnamed. “There is a double standard for conservatives.”

Is there a double standard?

In 1998, President Bill Clinton was impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice for lying under oath and concealing his sexual relationship with a then twenty-two year-old White House intern. Clinton’s Arkansas law license was suspended for five years. He was fined $90,000 for contempt of court for his unwillingness to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case.

He eventually settled with Jones in the amount of $850,000. Today, twelve years after his impeachment, Clinton is viewed favorably by a majority of Americans.

But Clinton is not the only one.

In 1998, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) had a tryst with a male prostitute named Frank Gobie. He hired Gobie, who lived with Frank, to run errands. It was eventually discovered that Gobie was still working as a prostitute and was using Frank’s home as a brothel. Frank was reprimanded for using House privilege to waive 33 of Gobie’s parking tickets and for attempting to end Gobie’s probation for a criminal infraction.

Given the media cover granted to key Democrats, ranging from Rep. Charles Rangel and his ethics violations to President Obama and Solyndra, Republicans are reluctant to abandon their candidates - no matter what the media reports. Or what Sharon Bialek says.

And who can blame them?

[AC54ME]

Appears that, once again, old Joe abandons his useless, misleading and stupid threads :rofl:

Here is some more for you Joe (and we'll see if you are 'man/women' enough to respond to this and the other posts):

Herman Cain has spent his life living and working all over the country -- Indiana, Georgia, Minnesota, Nebraska, Kansas, Washington, D.C. -- but never in Chicago.

So it's curious that all the sexual harassment allegations against Cain emanate from Chicago: home of the Daley machine and Obama consigliere David Axelrod​.

Suspicions had already fallen on Sheila O'Grady, who is close with David Axelrod and went straight from being former Chicago mayor Richard M. Daley's chief of staff to president of the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA), as being the person who dug up Herman Cain's personnel records from the National Restaurant Association (NRA).

The Daley-controlled IRA works hand-in-glove with the NRA. And strangely enough, Cain's short, three-year tenure at the NRA is evidently the only period in his decades-long career during which he's alleged to have been a sexual predator.

After O'Grady's name surfaced in connection with the miraculous appearance of Cain's personnel files from the NRA, she issued a Clintonesque denial of any involvement in producing them -- by vigorously denying that she knew Cain when he was at the NRA. (Duh.)

And now, after a week of conservative eye-rolling over unspecified, anonymous accusations against Cain, we've suddenly got very specific sexual assault allegations from an all-new accuser out of ... Chicago.

Herman Cain has never lived in Chicago. But you know who has? David Axelrod! And guess who lived in Axelrod's very building? Right again: Cain's latest accuser, Sharon Bialek.

Bialek's accusations were certainly specific. But they also demonstrated why anonymous accusations are worthless.

Within 24 hours of Bialek's press conference, friends and acquaintances of hers stepped forward to say that she's a "gold-digger," that she was constantly in financial trouble -- having filed for personal bankruptcy twice -- and, of course, that she had lived in Axelrod's apartment building at 505 North Lake Shore Drive, where, she admits, she knew the man The New York Times calls Obama's "hired muscle."

Throw in some federal tax evasion, and she's Obama's next Cabinet pick.

The reason all this is relevant is that both Axelrod and Daley have a history of smearing political opponents by digging up claims of sexual misconduct against them.

John Brooks, Chicago's former fire commissioner, filed a lawsuit against Daley six months ago claiming Daley threatened to smear him with sexual harassment accusations if Brooks didn't resign. He resigned -- and the sexual harassment allegations were later found to be completely false.

Meanwhile, as extensively detailed in my book Guilty: Liberal 'Victims' and Their Assault on America, the only reason Obama became a U.S. senator -- allowing him to run for president -- is that David Axelrod pulled sealed divorce records out of a hat, first, against Obama's Democratic primary opponent, and then against Obama's Republican opponent.

One month before the 2004 Democratic primary for the U.S. Senate, Obama was way down in the polls, about to lose to Blair Hull, a multimillionaire securities trader.

But then The Chicago Tribune -- where Axelrod used to work -- began publishing claims that Hull's second ex-wife, Brenda Sexton, had sought an order of protection against him during their 1998 divorce proceedings.

From then until Election Day, Hull was embroiled in fighting the allegation that he was a "wife beater." He and his ex-wife eventually agreed to release their sealed divorce records. His first ex-wife, daughters and nanny defended him at a press conference, swearing he was never violent. During a Democratic debate, Hull was forced to explain that his wife kicked him and he had merely kicked her back.

Hull's substantial lead just a month before the primary collapsed with the nonstop media attention to his divorce records. Obama sailed to the front of the pack and won the primary. Hull finished third with 10 percent of the vote.

Luckily for Axelrod, Obama's opponent in the general election had also been divorced.

The Republican nominee was Jack Ryan, a graduate of Dartmouth and Harvard law and business schools, who had left his lucrative partnership at Goldman Sachs​ to teach at an inner-city school on the South Side of Chicago.

But in a child custody dispute some years earlier, Ryan's ex-wife, Hollywood sex kitten Jeri Lynn Ryan​, had alleged that, while the couple was married, Jack had taken her to swingers clubs in Paris and New York.

Jack Ryan adamantly denied the allegations. In the interest of protecting their son, he also requested that the records be put permanently under seal.

Axelrod's courthouse moles obtained the "sealed" records and, in no time, they were in the hands of every political operative in Chicago. Knowing perfectly well what was in the records, Chicago Tribune attorneys flew to California and requested that the court officially "unseal" them -- over the objections of both Jack and Jeri Ryan​.

Your honor, who knows what could be in these records!

A California judge ordered them unsealed, which allowed newspapers to publish the salacious allegations, and four days later, Ryan dropped out of the race under pressure from idiot Republicans (who should be tracked down and shot).

With a last-minute replacement of Alan Keyes as Obama's Republican opponent, Obama was able to set an all-time record in an Illinois Senate election, winning with a 43 percent margin.

And that's how Obama became a senator four years after losing a congressional race to Bobby Rush​. (In a disastrous turn of events, Rush was not divorced.)

Axelrod destroyed the only two men who stood between Obama and the Senate with illicitly obtained, lurid allegations from their pasts.

In 2007, long after Obama was safely ensconced in the U.S. Senate, The New York Times reported: "The Tribune reporter who wrote the original piece (on Hull's sealed divorce records) later acknowledged in print that the Obama camp had 'worked aggressively behind the scenes' to push the story."

Some had suggested, the Times article continued, that Axelrod had "an even more significant role -- that he leaked the initial story."

This time, Obama's little helpers have not only thrown a bomb into the Republican primary, but are hoping to destroy the man who deprives the Democrats of their only argument in 2012: If you oppose Obama, you must be a racist.

[Joecooool]

Appears that, once again, old Joe abandons his useless, misleading and stupid threads :rofl:

Dude, he's done. Get over it. :rolleyes:

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Incorrect. But your boy Obama is headed that way. :yesnod:

You can't stand it, we can tell. :lol:
Yep.

But what is really on old Joe's mind (what little he has) is the absolute fear that should Cain be the GOP candidate and replaces BHO the end of socialism in the USA is certain.

Which is the main reason he and the Democrats, through the MSM, are vilifying Cain. They would rather a RINO be the replacement for BHO,

As a note - I have issues with Cain - but these are not, repeat not associated with the attacks from the left and RINO's on him.

OTOH, after the last bitch attack on Cain I donated $2500 to his campaign.

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Cain Gets Major Applause At Debate After Dismissing Harassment Claim
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The audience at CNBC's economic debate applauded and cheered on Herman Cain after he once again made it clear that the sexual harassment accusations against him are untrue and unfounded. As Cain was being asked about his character and alleged sexual encounters with several women the audience booed at Maria Bartiromo, one of tonight's moderators. Transcript below:

BARTIROMO: You have all said that -- that you will repeal the president's health care legislation. We will get into that, because we want to know, then what? What is the plan once you repeal Obamacare?

But, first, Mr. Cain, the American people want jobs, but they also want leadership. They want character in a president. In recent days, we have learned that four different women have accused you of inappropriate behavior. Here we're focusing on character and on judgment.

(BOOING)

You've been a CEO.

CAIN: Yes. BARTIROMO: You know that shareholders are reluctant to hire a CEO where there are character issues. Why should the American people hire a president if they feel there are character issues?

CAIN: The American people deserve better than someone being tried in the court of public opinion based on unfounded accusations. That's...

(APPLAUSE)

And I value my character and my integrity more than anything else. And for every -- one person that comes forward with a false accusation, there are probably -- there are thousands who would say none of that sort of activity ever came from Herman Cain.

You're right. This country's looking for leadership. And this is why a lot of people, despite what has happened over the last nine days, are still very enthusiastic behind my candidacy. Over the last nine days...

(APPLAUSE)

Over the last nine days, the voters have voted with their dollars, and they are saying they don't care about the character assassination. They care about leadership and getting this economy growing and all of the other problems we face.

(APPLAUSE)

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