Elon Musk followers turn on him after he backs importing 'super talented engineers'

[Dan47]

I’m not wired for STEM but I know we have several members that are, what’s the truth about this issue?

“ Your understanding of the situation is upside-down and backwards," Musk replied. "OF COURSE my companies and I would prefer to hire Americans and we DO, as that is MUCH easier than going through the incredibly painful and slow work visa process. HOWEVER, there is a dire shortage of extremely talented and motivated engineers in America."

Another Musk follower said that he should "open a school" to better train Americans, and then added, "We have brains."

"If you need a school, you’ve lost already," Musk replied.

[Trapper Sean]

I know more about shortage of doctors, nurses, and medical lab techs. US recruits them from India, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Venezuela.

If you are a doctor/nurse/lab tech, you don't want imported competition decreasing your salary potential.

If you are a company owner (Musk) you do want to import some competition .... although it's been my experience that foreign help is also very expensive.

[Yadkin]

One of my first jobs after college was with the State of Connecticut DOT. This was soon after the Mianus River bridge collapse, which exposed the consequences of years of deferred maintenance. The Legislature responded by approximately doubling the DOT's budget.

The DOT then had hundreds of engineering jobs to fill. Since they were paying better than my other prospects, I took their offer.

Among my fellow recruits in my division were several foreign engineers. Several from Iran, India. One guy from China. Only the Chinese kid was with his salt. The others had no practical knowledge or common sense.

[Frankie the Fink]

More proof Musk is a self-aggrandizing, dismissive elitist....he is of the same stripe as George Soros but many deluded types think he is politically a bit more acceptable - for now.

Moreover, I worked at an organization that literally had a hard on for foreign "computer scientists"; particularly Asians and hired dozens. A sh!tload worked for me.

They were wicked smart and worked like demons, but socially inept, poor team members and wanted no part of leading a development project or managing employees with a few (very few) exceptions. Just wanted to code or implement network tech. I always wanted people I could groom into middle and even upper management...instead of having people that "self-silo" themselves on a single-minded technical task.....in isolation.

Then the middle eastern hires my bosses put on the help desk were fairly tech-savvy. But the few that didn't smell bad and could be understood were rare and far between.

Meeska-Muska-Musk-a-teer mantra is starting to ring a bit hollow.

[Vandelay Industries]

More proof Musk is a self-aggrandizing, dismissive elitist....he is of the same stripe as George Soros but many deluded types think he is politically a bit more acceptable - for now.

Moreover, I worked at an organization that literally had a hard on for foreign "computer scientists"; particularly Asians and hired dozens. A sh!tload worked for me.

They were wicked smart and worked like demons, but socially inept, poor team members and wanted no part of leading a development project or managing employees with a few (very few) exceptions. Just wanted to code or implement network tech. I always wanted people I could groom into middle and even upper management...instead of having people that "self-silo" themselves on a single-minded technical task.....in isolation.

Then the middle eastern hires my bosses put on the help desk were fairly tech-savvy. But the few that didn't smell bad and could be understood were rare and far between.

Meeska-Muska-Musk-a-teer mantra is starting to ring a bit hollow.

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[Chemtrails99]

Love or hate him, the problem is that he is right. You cant find young STEM students that are citizens to save your life. Colleges often charge out of state students more tuition, and fill classes with foreigners to make more money. Thus less citizens.

Not to mention that half a century of Leftists bullshit has young people clamoring for degrees in social bullshit studies, instead if useful degrees. UCF in Orlando is the second largest college by enrollment in the country. It started out as FTU, with a goal of being " the MIT of the South" to supply the Space Program. Somewhere along the line they wanted a football team, lots if students, easy money and high paying jobs for staff. Their students went from needy looking future engineers to mouth breathing Cosplay Hippies who think Crystals are medicine.

Literally the only nerdy students left you see are ALL from overseas....

Somebody needs to remember that Howard Hughes had a great designer on his racing plane project, who went back to Japan after the build....and incorporated many of the design advancements into a little thing called the Mitsubishi Zero...

[dvarapala]

I’m not wired for STEM but I know we have several members that are, what’s the truth about this issue?

The truth is our educational system is complete shit and is turning out woke graduates who aren't capable of doing the job. Employers have no choice but to expand their search.

[Aerovette]

More proof Musk is a self-aggrandizing, dismissive elitist....he is of the same stripe as George Soros but many deluded types think he is politically a bit more acceptable - for now.

Moreover, I worked at an organization that literally had a hard on for foreign "computer scientists"; particularly Asians and hired dozens. A sh!tload worked for me.

They were wicked smart and worked like demons, but socially inept, poor team members and wanted no part of leading a development project or managing employees with a few (very few) exceptions. Just wanted to code or implement network tech. I always wanted people I could groom into middle and even upper management...instead of having people that "self-silo" themselves on a single-minded technical task.....in isolation.

Then the middle eastern hires my bosses put on the help desk were fairly tech-savvy. But the few that didn't smell bad and could be understood were rare and far between.

Meeska-Muska-Musk-a-teer mantra is starting to ring a bit hollow.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. The US government, US companies, and piss-poor parents have worked very hard to drive effort and learning OUT of America. They created an entire society of lethargic unmotivated and entitled people that expect everyone ELSE to do everything.

Then Musk somehow becomes the enemy for importing specialists. Maybe if he imported 11 million worthless foreign leeches he could regain hero status.

[Frankie the Fink]

]Don't hate the player, hate the game.[/B] The US government, US companies, and piss-poor parents have worked very hard to drive effort and learning OUT of America. They created an entire society of lethargic unmotivated and entitled people that expect everyone ELSE to do everything.

Then Musk somehow becomes the enemy for importing specialists. Maybe if he imported 11 million worthless foreign leeches he could regain hero status.

Don't confuse hate with a realistic outlook and I have decades of working with foreign 'specialists' inside and outside the gov't. For every 10 you employ 1-2 work out as team players, potential project leads and outstanding tech people.

And I worked as a Federal Senior Exec on immigration issues like the Ramirez "railorad killer" so don't attempt to educate me about the problems...

[Aerovette]

Don't confuse hate with a realistic outlook and I have decades of working with foreign 'specialists' inside and outside the gov't. For every 10 you employ 1-2 work out as team players, potential project leads and outstanding tech people.

And I worked as a Federal Senior Exec on immigration issues like the Ramirez "railorad killer" so don't attempt to educate me about the problems...

If you have the experience, then I'm not educating you on jack-shit. You should already know I'm right.

Shit started with rebuilding Japan after WWII and has continued since.

[Frankie the Fink]

If you have the experience, then I'm not educating you on jack-shit. You should already know I'm right.

Shit started with rebuilding Japan after WWII and has continued since.

Yup, you're "one in a row" congrats..

[Tikiman]

One of my first jobs after college was with the State of Connecticut DOT. This was soon after the Mianus River bridge collapse, which exposed the consequences of years of deferred maintenance. The Legislature responded by approximately doubling the DOT's budget.

The DOT then had hundreds of engineering jobs to fill. Since they were paying better than my other prospects, I took their offer.

Among my fellow recruits in my division were several foreign engineers. Several from Iran, India. One guy from China. Only the Chinese kid was with his salt. The others had no practical knowledge or common sense.


I spent 14 years in a Federally funded Research and Development laboratory complex. Every summer we would get foreign engineering students in to basically treat as slaves. They were called "Grfs" (Graduate Research Fellowship Students) - pronounced gruffs - and were all working on their PhDs. Not one of them that I ran into had the basic skills needed for a bachelor's degree, much less a Masters. The Indians and the Iranians were the worst.

[Unsuspicious]

As long as they prove their talent. Plenty of fake buy-a-degree institutions all over India churning out "doctors" and "engineers". At least the doctors that come over still need to do residency and at least not fail too badly. But other jobs like tech and engineering, they sink as soon as you stop giving them the benefit of a doubt, then they're off to their next 1 year stint under the guise of learning the company before they fail out.

[Frankie the Fink]

I spent 14 years in a Federally funded Research and Development laboratory complex. Every summer we would get foreign engineering students in to basically treat as slaves. They were called "Grfs" (Graduate Research Fellowship Students) - pronounced gruffs - and were all working on their PhDs. Not one of them that I ran into had the basic skills needed for a bachelor's degree, much less a Masters. The Indians and the Iranians were the worst.

India has the most unemployed PhDs in the world, not that some aren't brilliant but those numbers aren't overwhelming.

[Tikiman]

What’s the average IQ in India?

[dvarapala]

What’s the average IQ in India?

A meaningless number, as the average is hopelessly skewed by a billion illiterate peasants who live in villages.

There could easily still be 100 million smart people capable of doing tech work. :yesnod:

[Yadkin]

I spent 14 years in a Federally funded Research and Development laboratory complex. Every summer we would get foreign engineering students in to basically treat as slaves. They were called "Grfs" (Graduate Research Fellowship Students) - pronounced gruffs - and were all working on their PhDs. Not one of them that I ran into had the basic skills needed for a bachelor's degree, much less a Masters. The Indians and the Iranians were the worst.

About a month into the massive hiring ConnDOT had two professors from Northwestern University come down and do a two-week course in Traffic Engineering. About half way into day 3 this Indian guy, name was Jasvinder and I'll never forget this, raised his hand to ask a question: "Let me get this straight. Green means go, red means stop, and yellow means to slow down?"

This same dude complained to our boss, claiming that I harassed him because of his religion. I had no idea what religion he was and didn't care. My pencil-necked boss sided with the guy, told me "This could affect your career." I told him that it already had and found a new job the next day.

[VITE1]

I worked in technology market place from 1979 till 2014.

We went from having almost everyone being an American to a many being H1B visa holders.

When you look at the quality of our educational system, cost to Get a tech degree, the entitlement mentality beat into kids their whole lives and a horrible work ethic this is what happens.

I work with two IIT graduates who came to the USA to get their PHDs. They both told me their bachelor degrees were harder to get than their PHDs.