So, Trump...and Pro Sports

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Irony here is that's what the Obama fanboys would say about "their guy" when he screwed up and made things worse.

As I've said before, the sides have been switched and each one is taking up the other's failures.

Fanboyism is a bad idea no matter what side one is on in an argument.

Only in your imagination. I'm just sitting back watching the destruction of an American institution. Yet another one actually. You are making excuses for why the current politician de jeur made it worse when it was fully metastasized already. Waco, this is for you too. The DoD has nothing to do with this. You can dream it up. You can say "The DoD made the players be out there during the anthem." LOL you don't realize that nothing of that sort matters. The fact is that the players are doing this, and this is going to lead to a backlash of epic, and I do mean epic, proportions.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Waco

Sure it is, sure it is. Some players kneeling will be the end of our country and the end of the NFL.

You heard it here first, folks, Cyber is the new Nostradamus.

Just watch and learn. The end? Possible. A huge backlash? Already in play.

[04 commemorative]

Bring back the draft and many of these pieces of crap will be serving our country. And oh they'll be on their knees crying or praying instead of being paid way to much $ to play a game.

[Aerovette]

If Trump's words made the situation worse it is simply their guilt shining through. The owners were called out and since they write the checks, their wind up toys are going to follow their lead.

Kudos to the ONE Pittsburgh Steeler with balls.

[Broken Wind]

I kinda like having a president who says what I’m thinking. I could scream it at the top of my lungs and all I’d get is a sore throat. Trump didn’t create this shit, nor is he making it worse. He’s merely reacting to the situation and speaking out for the millions who don’t have a platform to do so.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by aerovette

If Trump's words made the situation worse it is simply their guilt shining through. The owners were called out and since they write the checks, their wind up toys are going to follow their lead.

Kudos to the ONE Pittsburgh Steeler with balls.

Not their guilt shining through Their ignorance and stupidity.

[erickpl]

As US citizens, they have the right to protest in a peaceful manner free of repercussion from the government.

However, with that right and those actions, they are also subject to any consequences from the public.

If they REALLY wanted to make a difference, they could be using their fame, stature, and fortune and work in those communities from which they receive so much and work to make a difference and effect change.

[Stangkiller]

Remind me again what injustices and oppressions these overpaid entertainers are protesting?

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

Remind me again what injustices and oppressions she’s overpaid entertainers are protesting?

I think that it's about the black shootings by policemen.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

Remind me again what injustices and oppressions these overpaid entertainers are protesting?

Exactly. The message of Kapernick's protest has been lost in a dumpster fire of media inflamed bullshit....and now the CiC has nothing better to do than throw some gas in the dumpster. The guys that just want to show up and do their job are now getting drawn into a completely contrived circus. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Everyone's talking....nobody's listening.

[Mike Mercury]

The NFL produces a product, for sale to the public.

Recently (but long before Trump said anything) the NFL added a new ingredient to their product. I don't like it, and will step aside as a consumer of their product until they remove this irritating ingredient.

[04 commemorative]

Originally Posted by Waco

Sure thing.




Yep, let's pretend there's no skill involved. They're paid because they make the owners money.

Use your skill to defend our country then......when you boil down all the bull crap.....it's still a game.....skill involved,yes....never said there wasn't.

[Z06David]

The NFL is so hypocritical. They say this is about free speech, but they didn't allow the Cowboys to honor the fallen Dallas police, they didn't allow teams to honor 9/11 by wearing cleats honoring that day, they didn't allow a player to honor his mother who died from breast cancer.

This will really hurt the NFL, and they deserve it. Keep politics out of sports!!!!

[6spdC6]

Originally Posted by Waco

Perhaps the DoD shouldn't have forced the players into a recruiting role. Perhaps our CIC could spend his time doing things that matter instead of inciting division. Perhaps, just perhaps, people will realize that blind patriotism...isn't.

That bolded above pertains to obunghole, he was a master at that. Trump is just trying to undo his bullshit. Racial strife and cop killings is a big part of obungholes legacy and things are only going to get worse thanks to him and sasquatch.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by Waco

Perhaps the DoD shouldn't have forced the players into a recruiting role. Perhaps our CIC could spend his time doing things that matter instead of inciting division. Perhaps, just perhaps, people will realize that blind patriotism...isn't.

Did you say the same during the 8 years of Obama inciting division? From his actions and comments about the Boston professor until today he still incites division.

It's been the lefts mantra since 1965. Separate, balkinize and then rule .

[erickpl]

Originally Posted by Waco

Something many of them are already doing.

That's good to hear. I don't live in an NFL city and don't follow it very much. Living in Alabama, the Crimson Tide is the most professional level have. LOL

I hope the others take note of those taking actions to make a difference and learn from that example. Do you have a reference for what those you mention are doing? I'd be interested in learning more.

[Mike Mercury]

are you noticing the news these past couple of days?

They are making it appear there were no problems in the NFL/fanbase until Trump spoke out.

Trump reacted to something that was already happening; some players took knees long before Trump spoke.

[DAB]

the NFL and that idiot Goodell have had over a year to figure out what to do about this. this wasn't invented by Trump.

[Cybercowboy]

There are dozens of videos today of people doing this.

Veteran Steelers Fan Burns Gear - YouTube

In case anyone doubts me:

YouTube (Short URL)

YouTube (Short URL)

YouTube (Short URL)

YouTube (Short URL)

I'll post some of Chiefs fans doing the same if anyone wants me to.

[Iron Chef]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Are the players the ones kneeling during the anthem? Yep.
Are they causing a problem where there shouldn't be one? Yep.
Is Trump making things worse by spewing his butt-hurt, ego filled crap on Twitter? Yep.

Agree on all counts. Overall, I like the idea of having a more plain-speaking President, but there are ways to go about things. At some point, you have to learn to be a bit more tactful. You can't call your next door neighbor a cocksucker and then expect him to trim his bushes off your property. It wouldn't hurt Trump to put a light dusting of powdered sugar in his words now and again.

Originally Posted by Waco

The free market determines their pay. They aren't overpaid.

At one time, forklift drivers for GM were making over $100,000 per year. Totally illogical. Just because we're in a free market economy doesn't mean that members of a given occupation are paid commensurate to what they're worth, or what their true value to society is. As long as teachers, police officers and fire fighters often have to take second jobs to make ends meet, the argument that professional athletes are overpaid is a very valid one.

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

Remind me again what injustices and oppressions these overpaid entertainers are protesting?

None. There hasn't been a single piece of legislation in the past 50 years that has done anything but work to the advantage of minorities.

We, the buying public, have created this monster. Each time an owner submits to paying an athlete an ever more exhorbitant amount of money and then passes the costs along to the fan base, each time a shiny new stadium is built because the owners are crying that they have to "modernize", put in more luxury boxes or a retractable roof (it's a ballgame for chrissakes), each time a player is convicted of a serious crime and we go on buying his jerseys and posters and cheering him on, WE are all complicit in this behavior. There is only one way this will stop, and it has nothing to do with the players kneeling or the President screeching. It will only happen when the fans say "enough" and back it up with their actions. Unfortunately, it will take a paradigm shift in the attitudes and resolve of society to make this happen.

All that said, I will never pay to attend or watch another Pro Football game again. My father fought in WWII. This behavior is, in my opinion, an insult to his memory, his legacy and all he fought for. Football players and Roger Goodell and all the accompanying sycophants be damned.