Here we go again, USS john Mccain in collision

[Fasglas]

Seems clear:

Watch Standing Teaches Recruits Importance of Ship's Safety

The watch is also required to report on anything within eyesight even if it is beyond their designated area.

"This is the military. Duty and watchstanding are essential to maintain a safe and secure ship," said Crosby. "When standing watch, you know you are responsible for the entire compartment or ship and it just might be you who will prevent anything detrimental from happening."

[RedLS1GTO]

WTF...

There's still a lot that is either not known or at least hasn't been made public about Fitzgerald. Now add this to the mix.

1 is an exception.

2 is a trend.

1 thing is for certain. There is WAY more to these stories than we know.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

WTF...

There's still a lot that is either not known or at least hasn't been made public about Fitzgerald. Now add this to the mix.

1 is an exception.

2 is a trend.

1 thing is for certain. There is WAY more to these stories than we know.

And those that do know can't say, won't say, or both.

[OddBall]

[Gene] Was the tanker captain a muzzie? [/Gene]

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by OddBall

[Gene] Was the tanker captain a muzzie? [/Gene]

Short and to the point.....THAT is the critical info...in both instances.....

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Anyone find it interesting/"funny" it was the John McCain that had the accident.

The ship is named for Admiral John S. McCain Sr.

[Fasglas]

Damage to the port side is visible as the USS John S. McCain steers toward Changi naval base in Singapore following a collision with a merchant vessel early Monday. (Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Joshua Fulton/Navy/AP)

[OddBall]

Originally Posted by mrvette

Short and to the point.....THAT is the critical info...in both instances.....

It would follow suit of them repurposing vehicles for attacks.

Planes into buildings.
Trucks loaded with explosives.
Vans into crowds.
Why not tankers into warships.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Fasglas

Damage to the port side is visible as the USS John S. McCain steers toward Changi naval base in Singapore following a collision with a merchant vessel early Monday. (Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Joshua Fulton/Navy/AP)

Holy sh*t.

That hit dead on the stateroom that I lived in for most of my time on a DDG. If that was my ship and I was in my rack or at my desk, I'd be dead. Talk about a sobering moment...

The "JO Jungle", where the 6 (usually) most Junior officers live is right below the waterline.

I haven't seen names of those missing but I highly suspect there will be some junior officers among them this time.

Goddamn I hate this sh*t.

[RedLS1GTO]

I keep reading the articles, looking at the pictures of both McCain and Fitzgerald. I want to know WHY. None of this is making sense to me. I spent many years on the bridge of DDGs. I have transited some of the busiest shipping lanes on the planet. It is nowhere as easy as many in the media and internet land are trying to make it sound. I said in the Fitzgerald threads here and elsewhere that from what I could tell, that collision was due in large part to the maneuvers of the merchant. It essentially made a continuous turn to drive right into the side of Fitzgerald. There is still nothing about that collision that makes sense at all.

...and now this.

Now, with all of that said... even IF (and it's a big big IF) these merchants did everything wrong. Even if they came at the DDGs with the intent to ram them, there is still simply no excuse for this from the crews of these ships. Your entire purpose in life when you are on the bridge is to see this sh*t coming and react accordingly. We've all been there on a mid-watch when we're exhausted, tired, and bored out of our minds staring at absolutely nothing with only a few red lights and a green screen to break up the darkness but that is not a valid reason. You fight through it and do your f**king job. I want to know who missed something. I want to know who made the wrong decision (or no decision) and why that decision was made. This is absolutely unacceptable.

[OddBall]

From the picture, the McCain looks to have been T-boned dead square.

[onedef92]

USS John McCain Collision: Sailors' Remains Found Aboard Ship

Ten sailors had been reported missing after the ship collided with a merchant vessel off Singapore on Monday.

Updated August 22, 2017 10:16 am ET


Navy divers working aboard the U.S.S. John S. McCain have found the remains of sailors killed when their ship collided with a merchant vessel. The announcement was made by the Commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, Adm. Scott Swift.

The McCain collided with a merchant vessel Monday, leaving 10 sailors missing. On Tuesday, Navy and Marine Corps divers started searching sealed compartments inside the ship.

"The divers were able to locate some remains in the sealed compartments," Swift told reporters.

Scott said that, in addition, the Malaysian Navy, which has been assisting in the search efforts, appears to have recovered additional remains.

"They are working to identify those remains," Scott said.

He did not elaborate on how many sailors had been located.

The admiral said that he visited with some of the sailors and praised the ship's crew.

"It is clear that their damage control efforts saved their ship and saved lives," he said.

The crash led Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral John Richardson to order a pause in operations for the Navy's nearly 300 ships.

It was the second crash involving a Navy destroyer in the Pacific theater in as many months. It was the fourth notable incident since February.

"This trend demands more forceful action," Richardson said. "As such, I have directed an operational pause be taken in all of our fleets around the world."

Richardson said there would also be a review to address what the "root causes" of these accidents are and that there would be a "very tight timeline."

"We need to get to the bottom of this," Richardson said. "So let's get to it." Siwft is headed to Singapore to lead the probe.

The Navy said that the U.S.S. John McCain was involved in a collision with the merchant vessel Alnic MC while headed to Singapore Monday morning local time. The more than 30,000-ton, 600-foot-long Alnic was carrying oil and other cargo.

The Alnic is a Liberian-flagged ship.

Four of the injured were transported by helicopter with injuries that were not considered life-threatening. The fifth soldier was treated aboard ship and did not require additional medical attention.

The Navy says the McCain was on its way to make a routine port visit in Singapore when it collided with the Alnic just before 6:30 a.m. local time.

The McCain — launched in 1994 and named for the father and grandfather of the senator from Arizona; both were Admirals in the Navy — was able to reach to port at Changi Naval Base under its own power while search and rescue efforts got underway in coordination with local authorities.

In addition to tugboats out of Singapore, the Republic of Singapore Navy ship RSS Gallant, helicopters from the Singapore Navy and the Police Coast Guard vessel Basking Shark were sent to help. Aircraft from the USS America had also responded.

Initial reports indicated that the McCain, which has approximately 300 sailors and officers board, sustained damage to her port side aft.

The Navy said that significant damage to the hull resulted in flooding to nearby compartments including the areas where the crew sleeps, machinery and communications rooms.

Efforts by the crew were able to stop further flooding.

A family assistance center has been established. Families can call 011-81-46-816-1728.

President Trump initially responded to reports of the collision by saying, "that's too bad."

He later elaborated in a tweet.

The McCain, which had just finished what the Navy says were routine patrols in the South China Sea, including a Freedom of Navigation mission near the contested islands that China has created in the area, is the fourth Navy ship involved in an incident this year,

Just two months ago, another Naval Guided Missile Destroyer — the U.S.S. Fitzgerald — was involved in a collision with a container ship — the Crystal — off the coast of Japan.

Seven sailors died in that incident, the greatest loss of life suffered by the Navy since the bombing of the Cole 17 years ago.

In May, the Lake Champlain collided with a South Korean fishing ship in an incident that had no injuries, and in February, the Antietam, another guided missile ship, ran ashore in Tokyo Bay, spilling hundreds of gallons of fuel.

The McCain, the Fitzgerald and the Antietam are all a part of the Seventh Fleet. The Lake Champlain is assigned to Carrier Group One.

[6spdC6]

Originally Posted by OddBall

From the picture, the McCain looks to have been T-boned dead square.

Those bulbous bows do a lot of damage. Kinda looks like a torpedo strike!

That's what got the other ship also!-

[onedef92]

When there are casualties at sea, are the sailors buried in the ocean or will their remains be transported to dry land and returned to their family and loved ones?

[Fasglas]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Now, with all of that said... even IF (and it's a big big IF) these merchants did everything wrong. Even if they came at the DDGs with the intent to ram them, there is still simply no excuse for this from the crews of these ships. Your entire purpose in life when you are on the bridge is to see this sh*t coming and react accordingly. We've all been there on a mid-watch when we're exhausted, tired, and bored out of our minds staring at absolutely nothing with only a few red lights and a green screen to break up the darkness but that is not a valid reason. You fight through it and do your f**king job. I want to know who missed something. I want to know who made the wrong decision (or no decision) and why that decision was made. This is absolutely unacceptable.

Well said. (See post #21 - Basic, BASIC, BASIC)

[6spdC6]

Originally Posted by onedef92

When there are casualties at sea, are the sailors buried in the ocean or will their remains be transported to dry land and returned to their family and loved ones?

This is not a war time, the sailors bodies will be returned to their family's!

[Fasglas]

Hmmm... The hammer is going WAY up.

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Navy sacks 7th Fleet commander after 2nd deadly collision

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uss-joh...joseph-aucoin/

The U.S. Navy announced on Wednesday morning that the commander of its 7th Fleet had been dismissed "due to a loss of confidence in his ability to command."

U.S. Pacific Fleet commander Adm. Scott Swift relieved Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin of his command. Rear Adm. Phil Sawyer, who had already been named to succeed Aucoin earlier, assumed command immediately.

Vessels under the command of the 7th Fleet, which is based in Yokosuka, Japan, have been involved in a string of incidents at sea in Asia this year, including the deadly collision of the USS John S. McCain with a merchant tanker this week, which left 10 U.S. sailors missing and presumed dead.



(More @ link)

[erickpl]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

I keep reading the articles, looking at the pictures of both McCain and Fitzgerald. I want to know WHY. None of this is making sense to me. I spent many years on the bridge of DDGs. I have transited some of the busiest shipping lanes on the planet. It is nowhere as easy as many in the media and internet land are trying to make it sound. I said in the Fitzgerald threads here and elsewhere that from what I could tell, that collision was due in large part to the maneuvers of the merchant. It essentially made a continuous turn to drive right into the side of Fitzgerald. There is still nothing about that collision that makes sense at all.

...and now this.

Now, with all of that said... even IF (and it's a big big IF) these merchants did everything wrong. Even if they came at the DDGs with the intent to ram them, there is still simply no excuse for this from the crews of these ships. Your entire purpose in life when you are on the bridge is to see this sh*t coming and react accordingly. We've all been there on a mid-watch when we're exhausted, tired, and bored out of our minds staring at absolutely nothing with only a few red lights and a green screen to break up the darkness but that is not a valid reason. You fight through it and do your f**king job. I want to know who missed something. I want to know who made the wrong decision (or no decision) and why that decision was made. This is absolutely unacceptable.

Do those ships use the AEGIS system on them?

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by erickpl

Do those ships use the AEGIS system on them?

Yep. They do.

[Y-Body]

From a long article on Military.com

...
"I'm disappointed in a few people who are using this as as a reason that we need a bigger Navy; that's tertiary," said another retired Navy officer and popular military blogger who goes by the pen name CDR Salamander. "We have a high op-tempo, but that's no excuse. This is a Vince Lombardi Navy: 'See that ship? Don't let another ship hit it.'"
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Salamander recalled the 2007 incident when the destroyer USS Arleigh Burke ran aground at the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay in daylight because the navigational system had an input error and no one had looked out the window to confirm the ship's position.

"There's no bad computer bad radar that's going to substitute for you not looking out the bloody window," he said.
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