The Everything Tesla/EV Argument Thread

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by LATB

And the final price is negotiable.

EVERYTHING in life is negotiable, except for a slurpee at 7-11.
With that said, you can use your 7-11 points to get a free one every month.

I know a dood, family, bought his wife a nice SUV three months ago, they gave him a price, he told them he saw buying TODAY and paying cash, they gave him a better price.
Went in to close and they hit him with $1,200 fee, he explained he never has paid such, they said everyone pays it, he got up and before he exited the showroom they waived the fee.

Some people are just better at playing the game.

This is the relative that can buy every dealership in the county.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Same here. It worked - again - last month for us.

When I bought my current truck it had just rolled off the carrier. I told the salesman that I do not want any of the dealer add on’s ( nitrogen and paint protection bs etc). When I went to sign the deal they had a $1400 line item for all that crap. It was discounted on the bottom line. Salesman said that it’s automatic added and most either accept it or negotiate it away.
This chit ain’t rocket surgery.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

EVERYTHING in life is negotiable, except for a slurpee at 7-11.
With that said, you can use your 7-11 points to get a free one every month.

I know a dood, family, bought his wife a nice SUV three months ago, they gave him a price, he told them he saw buying TODAY and paying cash, they gave him a better price.
Went in to close and they hit him with $1,200 fee, he explained he never has paid such, they said everyone pays it, he got up and before he exited the showroom they waived the fee.

Some people are just better at playing the game.

This is the relative that can buy every dealership in the county.

Exactly
You beat me by a few minutes with the same information.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by LATB

When I bought my current truck it had just rolled off the carrier. I told the salesman that I do not want any of the dealer add on’s ( nitrogen and paint protection bs etc). When I went to sign the deal they had a $1400 line item for all that crap. It was discounted on the bottom line. Salesman said that it’s automatic added and most either accept it or negotiate it away.
This chit ain’t rocket surgery.

The Explorer we recently bought had that stuff on it already. I said I wouldn[t pay for it. They took it off the price. It's not that hard.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by LATB

Exactly
You beat me by a few minutes with the same information.

He went to another stealership earlier that day who treated him poorly.
That stealership would not give him the price he wanted, they also were not moving on the dealer add0ons BS.

He is a lot nicer than me, if I had his $$$$$$ I would buy the the stealership and fire the saleshole on the first day of ownership.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Maybe on models that are not in demand, that's possible..

I just posted up the cheapest F150 lightning in the US (nationwide search) and this one came up. I'd buy that one right now if I could walk in and buy it for that price + tax, tag and dealer fee..

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing

Why do you think you can't?

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

I had an epithany, I am now an ev nuthugger,

* epiphany

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

* epiphany

tomatoe, tomato,,, like Tolkien I have my own dictionary.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

* epiphany

*Epiphone

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

tomatoe, tomato,,, like Tolkien I have my own dictionary.

You are our Tolkien member.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

You are our Tolkien member.

Yeah, but I can never be VBOT until Rickles abdicates.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

It nowhere says that it can do all at the same time. That's obvious even for those who didn't win in the IQ lottery.

Oh. That's "obvious"... but showing the MSRP right at the top of the page and detailing every rebate is too complicated for people to figure out?

Bull.

Shit.

That is every bit as misleading as what you claim Autotrader does. It's exactly the same thing. Anybody who can't figure out a listing for a car is an absolute f**king idiot.

It's funny that you think you somehow get to define the level of idiot that it's ok to rip off.

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I'm not talking about private sales on craigslist or facebook market place. I'm talking about dealerships selling new or used cars.

So you have no problem with individuals ripping people off. Good to know.
Most states allow at least 5 private sales per year without a license. Some allow indefinite number of "private" sales. It's good to know that your righteous indignation only applies to those who sell 6 or more cars.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

*Epiphone

* epipen

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

tomatoe, tomato,,, like Tolkien I have my own dictionary.

I hurl epithets in your direction.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

* epipen

*Pippin

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

I hurl epithets in your direction.

I don't think they would hurt.

[RedLS1GTO]

Just to clarify, Elon constantly talking about the base Cyber”truck” that doesn’t exist… bringing people in, taking orders, saying the cheap ones aren’t available, and gladly selling them more expensive versions is somehow different than what you claim dealers are doing?

Not to mention that whole raising the price thing.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Just to clarify, Elon constantly talking about the base Cyber”truck” that doesn’t exist… bringing people in, taking orders, saying the cheap ones aren’t available, and gladly selling them more expensive versions is somehow different than what you claim dealers are doing?

Oh Snap.

[Kevin68]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Why not do both, change the standard of EPA testing to where it reflects the mpg or range of real world driving and do the same with advertising a vehicles price where it actually reflects the actual price and not some fictional price that most can't get?? I'm all for it.

C'mon, Just admit your FACT was complete bullshit.

You claim that the disclosure rules are inadequate and you might be admitting that the EPA testing rules are not representative of real world conditions. So Gov't rules ****ed it up the first time and now you want them to make more rules....uh, no.

How 'bout buyer takes responsibility for doing their own research?

What part of "limited government" don't you understand?

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Kevin68

What part of "limited government" don't you understand?

“Libertarian”