80% 20% explained by an expert.

[Little Red L98.]

Originally Posted by aerovette

Will you stay off the highway
...and only drive 30 or less when you absolutely have to go somewhere?

Not for you, but for those around you.

Of course not. I’ll take simple reasonable precautions though. I generally obey speed limits. Driving 30 on a highway isn’t reasonable or safe for myself or those around me.

[Millenium Vette]

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

Interested in the science behind the virus?

A doubter of the predictive numbers?

Not a doubter but still want some clarity on why the entire world as we know it has changed? What's the BIG deal?


https://youtu.be/4J0d59dd-qM

Meanwhile, the good doctor has gone from Covid preaching to fishing for some big-ass trout.....

YouTube (Short URL)

[Raazor]

2.9 million Americans will die this year... same as last year and the year before that

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by aerovette

Will you stay off the highway
...and only drive 30 or less when you absolutely have to go somewhere?

Not for you, but for those around you.

30!!!??? How about 5. That would prevent 40,000 deaths every year. Or make smoking illegal, that would prevent 500,000 deaths every year.

Oh, that’s right, nobody cares about those deaths, they’re okay.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

This:



Way more than a fair amount. Nobody will ever know the real number, but it's likely far fewer whose death was actually caused by it.

Noooo, noooo, no, no, no, a thousand times no. ONLY those who died as a result of having the virus are counted as COVID-19 deaths. Here is a bit of proof:

Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Dept of Public Health, explains what counts as a COVID19 death - YouTube

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Little Red L98.

Of course not. I’ll take simple reasonable precautions though. I generally obey speed limits. Driving 30 on a highway isn’t reasonable or safe for myself or those around me.

I was purposeful in not putting you at 30 on the highway as that would increase the hazard.

No highway at all
30 or less everywhere

Because something is not infectious, does not mean it is not contagious. Think of the habits or hobbies you have that originated with your parents.

Drinking?
Smoking?
Speeding?
Toking?
Racing?
Boating?
Skiing?
Rock climbing?
Parachuting?
...whatever

All of these put you and others at risk. Hell a staircase or escalator can put others at risk.

The fact that I don't wear a mask, does not mean I am not compassionate or concerned for others. What is does mean is that the risk of me getting or passing along Covid, based on weeks and weeks of what has been learned, is about equal to me getting in a car accident, knocking an old lady over in the grocery store, or hitting someone with a golf ball.

It is not binary. It is not all caution or all recklessness. I can be cognizant without exercising unnecessary caution and unnecessary risk.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by MrPeabody

By that standard no one ever died from AIDS, either.

By that standard, we could say that everyone dies of anoxia.

[Little Red L98.]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

30!!!??? How about 5. That would prevent 40,000 deaths every year. Or make smoking illegal, that would prevent 500,000 deaths every year.

Oh, that’s right, nobody cares about those deaths, they’re okay.

Driving? They’ll give any swinging Richard a license. Can’t fix stupid. Many deaths are legit accidents that couldn’t have been prevented. Maybe most.

Smoking is a choice that the user hopefully understands the risks. And it’s legal, like you said.

A novel virus is something that’s only reasonably controllable until there’s a cure or vaccine. Take reasonable, simple precautions until. That should go for everyone but you can’t fix stupid, so people will die.

[Little Red L98.]

Originally Posted by aerovette

I was purposeful in not putting you at 30 on the highway as that would increase the hazard.

No highway at all
30 or less everywhere

Because something is not infectious, does not mean it is not contagious. Think of the habits or hobbies you have that originated with your parents.

Drinking?
Smoking?
Speeding?
Toking?
Racing?
Boating?
Skiing?
Rock climbing?
Parachuting?
...whatever

All of these put you and others at risk. Hell a staircase or escalator can put others at risk.

The fact that I don't wear a mask, does not mean I am not compassionate or concerned for others. What is does mean is that the risk of me getting or passing along Covid, based on weeks and weeks of what has been learned, is about equal to me getting in a car accident, knocking an old lady over in the grocery store, or hitting someone with a golf ball.

It is not binary. It is not all caution or all recklessness. I can be cognizant without exercising unnecessary caution and unnecessary risk.

Same thing. Free country. It’s a matter of choice that those who partake understand and accept the risk. Most take reasonable precaution. Sometimes they take others out. I don’t think anyone who got infected with COVID chose or accepted the risk. They got it from carelessness of themselves or others.

The virus mutates quickly and science hasn’t figured out how to control it. It’d help if the populace cooperated more.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Little Red L98.

The virus mutates quickly and science hasn’t figured out how to control it. It’d help if the populace cooperated more.

Cooperated more how?

Many viruses “burn out” when 60% or more of a population has had it, aka herd immunity. Why would this virus be totally different? If it’s not, we may be prolonging the pandemic with all the precautions. The truth is we don’t know. Neither do the “experts.” They’re the same “experts” who said, with absolute certainty, that Florida would be as bad as Italy. They were dead wrong on that prediction, and have even admitted they don’t even know why they were wrong.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by Little Red L98.

A novel virus is something that’s only reasonably controllable until there’s a cure or vaccine.

So, where is our "cure" or "vaccine" for the common cold? It is also caused by a "Coronavirus", is it not?

What about the seasonal flu? Where is the "cure" or "vaccine" for it?

Take reasonable, simple precautions until. That should go for everyone but you can’t fix stupid, so people will die.

So we should have been shutting down all small businesses, making people wear masks all the time, telling people to stay home forever all along because these are "reasonable, simple precautions"?

No. "reasonable, simple precautions" for the common cold and seasonal flu have always included washing your hands regularly, and curtailing your exposure to others during cold and flu season if you are in a high risk group. The government CANNOT protect those who go out and perform a "YouTube stunt" of licking a toilet seat in a public place, so they should not even try. Yes, those are the stupid ones, and all of the freedoms of everyone else in society should not be taken away because they are stupid.

Think of it this way, should we outlaw trains because some people can't stop themselves from "train surfing", and a percentage of them die every year? These are 100% preventable deaths too, if only those people weren't so dumb. Should we punish everyone for the idiocy of those people ONLY because we know dumb people exist?

You might also want to keep in mind, when Hitler revoked all individual rights, his justification for doing so was it was "For the Fatherland!", in other words, "for the greater good". Communism is built on the same principle, individual rights should be surrendered for "the greater good".

[Little Red L98.]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Cooperated more how?

Many viruses “burn out” when 60% or more of a population has had it, aka herd immunity. Why would this virus be totally different? If it’s not, we may be prolonging the pandemic with all the precautions. The truth is we don’t know. Neither do the “experts.” They’re the same “experts” who said, with absolute certainty, that Florida would be as bad as Italy. They were dead wrong on that prediction, and have even admitted they don’t even know why they were wrong.

Cooperate more my listening to the people trying to figure it out. Don’t get me wrong, I’m no expert and you probably know more about it than I do. They were dead wrong because they didn’t know. Science ain’t perfect. There’s that whole trial and error thing. Until they do figure it out I’m willing to go along with what they say. They ain’t asking that much. Wash your hands, wear a mask in public when it’s appropriate to do so, cover your mouth properly when you sneeze or cough, practice social distancing. No problemo for me. I want to retire before I die.

[Little Red L98.]

Originally Posted by Mick

So, where is our "cure" or "vaccine" for the common cold? It is also caused by a "Coronavirus", is it not?

What about the seasonal flu? Where is the "cure" or "vaccine" for it?



So we should have been shutting down all small businesses, making people wear masks all the time, telling people to stay home forever all along because these are "reasonable, simple precautions"?

No. "reasonable, simple precautions" for the common cold and seasonal flu have always included washing your hands regularly, and curtailing your exposure to others during cold and flu season if you are in a high risk group. The government CANNOT protect those who go out and perform a "YouTube stunt" of licking a toilet seat in a public place, so they should not even try. Yes, those are the stupid ones, and all of the freedoms of everyone else in society should not be taken away because they are stupid.

Think of it this way, should we outlaw trains because some people can't stop themselves from "train surfing", and a percentage of them die every year? These are 100% preventable deaths too, if only those people weren't so dumb. Should we punish everyone for the idiocy of those people ONLY because we know dumb people exist?

You might also want to keep in mind, when Hitler revoked all individual rights, his justification for doing so was it was "For the Fatherland!", in other words, "for the greater good". Communism is built on the same principle, individual rights should be surrendered for "the greater good".

I’m not talking about rights or the economy or closing businesses or the government. I’m talking about individuals taking appropriate precautions to help prevent the spread.

As far as I know, they’re still trying to figure out a cure for the common cold and better flu vaccines. I may be wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time.



Now I’m going to watch some comedy. I could use a laugh.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Little Red L98.

Cooperate more my listening to the people trying to figure it out. Don’t get me wrong, I’m no expert and you probably know more about it than I do. They were dead wrong because they didn’t know. Science ain’t perfect. There’s that whole trial and error thing. Until they do figure it out I’m willing to go along with what they say. They ain’t asking that much. Wash your hands, wear a mask in public when it’s appropriate to do so, cover your mouth properly when you sneeze or cough, practice social distancing. No problemo for me. I want to retire before I die.

I have no real issue with those precautions. I do have issues with lockdowns, forced closing of most businesses, putting tens of millions of people out of work, cancelling or postponing most medical and dental care, and a long list of other “precautions” forced on us through executive orders in the name of safety for something that might (or might not) happen. Some of those things have very real negative consequences for peoples’ health and well-being, but nobody seems to give a rat’s ass about those.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Mick

You might also want to keep in mind, when Hitler revoked all individual rights, his justification for doing so was it was "For the Fatherland!", in other words, "for the greater good". Communism is built on the same principle, individual rights should be surrendered for "the greater good".

I don't think you understand how serious this is. This virus cured all other causes of death. Think about that, Hitler.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Mick

Noooo, noooo, no, no, no, a thousand times no. ONLY those who died as a result of having the virus are counted as COVID-19 deaths. Here is a bit of proof:

Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Dept of Public Health, explains what counts as a COVID19 death - YouTube

And nobody is afraid to tell the truth about COVID cases for fear of losing their jobs.

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by Little Red L98.

I’m not talking about rights or the economy or closing businesses or the government. I’m talking about individuals taking appropriate precautions to help prevent the spread.

As far as I know, they’re still trying to figure out a cure for the common cold and better flu vaccines. I may be wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time.



Now I’m going to watch some comedy. I could use a laugh.

I’d bet if the .Gov had put out reasonable accommodations for all businesses instead of the shotgun approach close everyone, you wouldn’t have the issues now.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Little Red L98.

Now I’m going to watch some comedy. I could use a laugh.

May I suggest Doug's Dating Thread?

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Mick

No. "reasonable, simple precautions" for the common cold and seasonal flu have always included washing your hands regularly, and curtailing your exposure to others during cold and flu season if you are in a high risk group.

That has always been true but until March most people didn't take those recommendations seriously. Until COVID you still had assholes coming to work sick and infecting everyone else in the office, sneezing into their hands and then shaking yours, etc. It was a hell of a way to get there, but if all that changes going forward and these sorts of common sense practices stick that will be a small silver lining in this Jupiter-sized storm cloud.

[MadInNc]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

That has always been true but until March most people didn't take those recommendations seriously. Until COVID you still had assholes coming to work sick and infecting everyone else in the office, sneezing into their hands and then shaking yours, etc. It was a hell of a way to get there, but if all that changes going forward and these sorts of common sense practices stick that will be a small silver lining in this Jupiter-sized Cluster ****.

*fixt