Masks required even after getting the vaccine?!?!WTH!!!

[Murray]

Here we had 500 + cases daily when they implemented masks 6 weeks ago. Yesterday we had 44 new cases

[JetMechZ16]

Murrel: Here we had 500 + cases daily when they implemented masks 6 weeks ago. Yesterday we had 44 new cases

So I guess that means that after you've been vaccinated you'll continue to wear your mask?

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by DAB

today's challenge: find a peer reviewed paper showing that wearing mask prevents either 1) you from getting the cooties, or 2) you from spreading the cooties.

i've tried, nothing yet.

just a lot of hand waving and "we think/believe", well, i believe otherwise, so now we're even.

[pHrEd and murraT] Independent peer-reviewed studies don't prove anything. Quit asking for them. [/pHrEd and murraT]

Oh, BTW, Even a Military-Enforced Quarantine Can’t Stop the Virus, Study Reveals

But a piece of cloth - any kind of cloth - or even paper on your face will stop it.

[Murray]

Originally Posted by JetMechZ16

So I guess that means that after you've been vaccinated you'll continue to wear your mask?

It’ll be a long time before I’m vaccinated. Hopefully masks will be gone by then

[Murray]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

[pHrEd and murraT] Independent peer-reviewed studies don't prove anything. Quit asking for them. [/pHrEd and murraT]

Oh, BTW, Even a Military-Enforced Quarantine Can’t Stop the Virus, Study Reveals

But a piece of cloth - any kind of cloth - or even paper on your face will stop it.

You love to hang on to that one piece out in internet space that helps with your story. Are you still going with deaths being the same as years previous or have you given up on that fallacy too.

So keeping people away from each other doesn’t slow the spread of an infectious disease.....is that what your going with?

Weird how when they did it here, we were down to one active case in the whole province.

Oct-Nov new cases were 500 + a day.....yesterday was 44

[Murray]

Is the Mayo Clinic good enough. You’ll tell me why they aren’t I’m sure

In part........

Can face masks help slow the spread of the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes COVID-19? Yes, face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing, help slow the spread of the virus.

So why weren't face masks recommended at the start of the pandemic? At that time, experts didn't know the extent to which people with COVID-19 could spread the virus before symptoms appeared. Nor was it known that some people have COVID-19 but don't have any symptoms. Both groups can unknowingly spread the virus to others.

These discoveries led public health groups to do an about-face on face masks. The World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) now include face masks in their recommendations for slowing the spread of the virus. The CDC recommends cloth face masks for the public and not the surgical and N95 masks needed by health care providers.

[Murray]

And Steve.....Might I remind you you pasted some diatribe from an anesthesiologist and an OBGYN to help with your take on things but you require board certification and peer reviews when someone defends their thoughts.

[DJ_Critterus]

Originally Posted by 04 commemorative

I don't have the time or energy to argue with someone in any store etc.
If that floats your boat then good for you ...

I guarantee you he won't pull that shit again, others saw it, and they won't put up with it either. Anyway, you're missing the point. Go back and read my post describing the interaction. It's cut and dry. Try getting somebody to 'splain it to you if you still miss the point.

[DJ_Critterus]

Originally Posted by mrvette

That the Publix here on Blanding and Lock Rain???......if so, cute, I been in there plenty for the pills supplies.....

and never an issue.......

about a mile and a half south by College Dr.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Murray

You love to hang on to that one piece out in internet space that helps with your story.

Nah, there are lots of other facts and data to support the same narrative. Like the inconvenient fact that states like CA and NY with the longest mask mandates and tightest lockdowns have the highest case and death rates, while states with no lockdowns or mask mandates have much lower case and death rates. How is that possible if masks and lockdowns slow the spread?

It's becoming quite clear that the "experts" (quotes used for a reason) want mask mandates for at least this year, and perhaps well into the future, if not forever. Are you okay with that? I'm not.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Murray

And Steve.....Might I remind you you pasted some diatribe from an anesthesiologist and an OBGYN to help with your take on things but you require board certification and peer reviews when someone defends their thoughts.

Steeb and his buddy aren't here to actually debate anyhting, they are just trolling.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

I showed him I wasn't wearing the ****ing mask, for sure.

Civil Disobedience, pioneered by Ghandi and perfected by Martin Luther King.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Steeb and his buddy aren't here to actually debate anyhting, they are just trolling.

Irony right there.

*anything

[Murray]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Nah, there are lots of other facts and data to support the same narrative. Like the inconvenient fact that states like CA and NY with the longest mask mandates and tightest lockdowns have the highest case and death rates, while states with no lockdowns or mask mandates have much lower case and death rates. How is that possible if masks and lockdowns slow the spread?

It's becoming quite clear that the "experts" (quotes used for a reason) want mask mandates for at least this year, and perhaps well into the future, if not forever. Are you okay with that? I'm not.

How many in NY and CA are like DJ and say f’k it... what are you going to do to me.

Take that attitude and throw it into population density of the two places you mentioned and there will be issues.

Lockdowns in California happened when the numbers were not manageable.

Almost everything was open as numbers skyrocketed but I’m sure you’re aware of that.

[Little Red L98.]

I ain’t no scientist or even that smart but I think the people trying to make us safe again are 1) flying by the seat of their pants, 2) doing the best they can with what they got, 3) adjusting on the fly as they discover anomalies, 4) have everyone’s best interest at heart, and 5) will figure it out eventually.

How come nobody bitches about finding a cure for cancer, or AIDS, or the common cold? How long did it take to figure out polio, or measles, or whatever. Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.pre...m/amp/70860420

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Irony right there.

You troll me, I troll you right back.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by DAB

if you honestly applied "science" to this data, you would find that there is an inverse correlation of masks and infections. when what they tell us is that there should be a direct correlation of masks and infections. ergo, stop wearing masks that increase infections. Science!!!

but no....... they are stuck on stupid, and will not budge.

The whole idea of mask wearing doing anything good is based on a flawed premise, basically that one way or another, I'm going to spit on you if I don't have a mask. EVERY one of the videos showing the "effectiveness" of a mask shows a person blowing the biggest sneeze they can muster directly out into the air, and the mask reduces the plume of saliva/phlegm by maybe 50%. OK, but in 10 months of mask wearing, I have yet to see a single person sneeze like that. Phred even said if he had a big sneeze, he would be "stupid" to sneeze in his mask, so then, what's the point?

Also, this mask wearing idea is often supported by the idea that wearing pants prevents me from pissing on other people, as well as prevents other people from pissing on me. I'm pretty sure that if I wanted to piss on someone, I could easily accomplish that with my pants firmly in place, and that any other man could piss on me without removing his pants.

The above is pretty much the "state of the art" of mask wearing arguments.

Originally Posted by Murray

So keeping people away from each other doesn’t slow the spread of an infectious disease.....is that what your going with?

I don't know about Steve, but yes, I'm going with that. Read up on the Spanish Flu. Remote islands closed their islands to all visitors when the flu reached pandemic levels. Somehow, some months later, with no visitors whatsoever, people on the islands hundreds of miles from any areas with infected people, got infected people. Staying six feet from an infected person doesn't do shit.

The reality is a cloth mask doesn't do shit. Staying 6 feet away from other people doesn't do shit. Washing your hands frequently helps a little. But for many centuries now, the most important thing to do to minimize the spread of flus and other viruses has not changed, and it still hasn't changed due to COVID: if you are sick , stay home.

[Murray]

Originally Posted by Mick

The whole idea of mask wearing doing anything good is based on a flawed premise, basically that one way or another, I'm going to spit on you if I don't have a mask. EVERY one of the videos showing the "effectiveness" of a mask shows a person blowing the biggest sneeze they can muster directly out into the air, and the mask reduces the plume of saliva/phlegm by maybe 50%. OK, but in 10 months of mask wearing, I have yet to see a single person sneeze like that. Phred even said if he had a big sneeze, he would be "stupid" to sneeze in his mask, so then, what's the point?

Also, this mask wearing idea is often supported by the idea that wearing pants prevents me from pissing on other people, as well as prevents other people from pissing on me. I'm pretty sure that if I wanted to piss on someone, I could easily accomplish that with my pants firmly in place, and that any other man could piss on me without removing his pants.

The above is pretty much the "state of the art" of mask wearing arguments.



I don't know about Steve, but yes, I'm going with that. Read up on the Spanish Flu. Remote islands closed their islands to all visitors when the flu reached pandemic levels. Somehow, some months later, with no visitors whatsoever, people on the islands hundreds of miles from any areas with infected people, got infected people. Staying six feet from an infected person doesn't do shit.

The reality is a cloth mask doesn't do shit. Staying 6 feet away from other people doesn't do shit. Washing your hands frequently helps a little. But for many centuries now, the most important thing to do to minimize the spread of flus and other viruses has not changed, and it still hasn't changed due to COVID: if you are sick , stay home.

You’re hanging your hat on someone thinking their island had no visitors, memorialized in a journal 100 yrs ago. Got it

This island was small enough to see from one end to the other and he never slept

[Brobot] reasonable [Brobot]

[04 commemorative]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

I guarantee you he won't pull that shit again, others saw it, and they won't put up with it either. Anyway, you're missing the point. Go back and read my post describing the interaction. It's cut and dry. Try getting somebody to 'splain it to you if you still miss the point.

With all due respect DJ, I did not miss the point and I certainly do not need anyone to "splain" anything to me that might be said by you.
If the state you are in has a mask mandate like ours then it is not out of line to have a sign on the door saying you need a mask to enter or that a manager or employee of the store say something to someone that is not wearing one...unless of course you have a medical condition that dictates you can not wear one.Personally I think it's easier to wear the mask,get your few things and leave in peace.
If having that kind of confrontation is something that makes you feel good.... then by all means.....do it.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Murray

Is the Mayo Clinic good enough. You’ll tell me why they aren’t I’m sure

In part........

Can face masks help slow the spread of the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes COVID-19? Yes, face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing, help slow the spread of the virus.

So why weren't face masks recommended at the start of the pandemic? At that time, experts didn't know the extent to which people with COVID-19 could spread the virus before symptoms appeared. Nor was it known that some people have COVID-19 but don't have any symptoms. Both groups can unknowingly spread the virus to others.

These discoveries led public health groups to do an about-face on face masks. The World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) now include face masks in their recommendations for slowing the spread of the virus. The CDC recommends cloth face masks for the public and not the surgical and N95 masks needed by health care providers.

If you really read this closely, it is a nothing statement.

Yes, face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing, help slow the spread of the virus.

This is the equivalent to my joke post the other day. I'm prepping to begin thinking about starting to install a generator.

It says all those things listed TOGETHER "help" to slow the spread. They don't slow the spread, but they help to slow the spread. These are purposely chosen words that at a glance and without a lot of thought, say one thing, but under scrutiny, say nothing.

I'm not helping you pay a ticket, but I'm helping you to help pay a ticket...by driving you to the courthouse...which does NOT pay the ticket at all.