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Old 03-27-2024, 10:48am   #161
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Look at the size of the "Island' Vs the ship. I would not bet my life savings saying the "island" would win. Hit it straight on it might deflect, hit it on a angel its going to be seriously hurt!
I'm pretty sure it's bad juju to hit angels!
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Old 03-27-2024, 11:01am   #163
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sec buttplug recent statement is he thinks the ship hit the bridge with tremendous force.
My gawd that man is brilliant.
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The point I was making is that you can see the supports for the bridge and they have essentially nothing around them. Lives are at stake on a bridge, not a cell tower or power line tower. It's the airbag argument. "What if it doesn't work?". Well, what if it does? It's better than doing nothing.
Apparently bridge protection wasn't "shovel ready" for The Obama. It takes so much engineering study to place dirt and rocks around a bridge pier. So complex...
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If YADKIN had designed that bridge it wouldn't have collapsed, angels or no angels.
Just sayin'. And all of you guys know it.
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If YADKIN had designed that bridge it wouldn't have collapsed, angels or no angels.
Just sayin'. And all of you guys know it.
But the soup cans would have all rusted by now.
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Apparently bridge protection wasn't "shovel ready" for The Obama. It takes so much engineering study to place dirt and rocks around a bridge pier. So complex...
I bet that 45-47 years ago when the bridge was built there were more competent ship captains and harbor pilots. So they didn’t need idiot guards.
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I bet that 45-47 years ago when the bridge was built there were more competent ship captains and harbor pilots. So they didn’t need idiot guards.
and way smaller ships, so likely the engineers thought "nah, it'll be fine with the ships that normally come and go thru here."

failure of the imagination: didn't imagine that ships would get bigger, didn't imagine that one would go dark right as it was headed toward the bridge.
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Look at the size of the "Island' Vs the ship. I would not bet my life savings saying the "island" would win. Hit it straight on it might deflect, hit it on a angel its going to be seriously hurt!
You can't see what they hit. The island you're looking at is protecting the tower that strings comm and power across the river. You can see the lack of containment on the bridge support in this before pic.
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I bet that 45-47 years ago when the bridge was built there were more competent ship captains and harbor pilots. So they didn’t need idiot guards.
And they weren't being forced to run on reclaimed french fry oil as fuel.
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I heard this morning the suggestion that contaminated fuel could be at fault.

We MUST do away with fossil fuels !!!


Without a fossil fuel locomotive force, they could have quickly dropped the main sail and gybe. Gone full left rudder and sent the parrot to warn the workers. Arrrg.
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I heard this morning the suggestion that contaminated fuel could be at fault.

We MUST do away with fossil fuels !!!


Without a fossil fuel locomotive force, they could have quickly dropped the main sail and gybe. Gone full left rudder and sent the parrot to warn the workers. Arrrg.
There have also been problems reported with the "environmentally friendly" fuel they are required to burn close to shore.

Shocking, right?
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There's a video out there that shows the ship virtually coasting fairly straight when the lights were out. The two times the lights came back, the ship veered starboard.

My new theory is that they had moved everything to full reverse and had the rudder set in the wrong position. Power snaps back on and all full reverse will do now is turn the bow of the boat. Happened twice. Two distinct bends in the course line.

I'll try and find the specific video.
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You can't see what they hit. The island you're looking at is protecting the tower that strings comm and power across the river. You can see the lack of containment on the bridge support in this before pic.
That island part is what I responded to.

Here is the quote!
"Interesting that the power poles in that waterway appear to have fairly robust islands with walls that look like they are intended to deflect a vessel'

The ship, the remains of the bridge and the power tower!. were all shown together in that post.
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The first Sunshine Skyway had no bumpers and the span was tight.
One a very foggy morning it got plowed, would never have happened if the design was better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gfgJgYaMyA
I hate that ****ing bridge. I have had a paranoid fear of those tall bridges since birth. I drove across that bastard when it happened. In my fear, I go as fast as I can to get off the damn thing. I passed the Trailways bus that went in on the approach to the raised section. I saw the damn Summit Venture and thought "hat looks ****ed up, what a weird place to be" and passed a number of other cars. The fog obscured what was behind me, and I didn't know what happened. I was sitting in a tire shop getting new tires when it came on the TV in the waiting room. A classmate was a diver who worked for the company that recovere the bodies, cars and other vehicles that went off the end. I recognized most of them as ones I had passed.

Wonder of this bridge accident will genrate as many golf club sales as the Tamp one did?
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Old 03-27-2024, 12:13pm   #176
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interesting video on this:

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Old 03-27-2024, 12:16pm   #177
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The video is 8x speed
Kinda gives you a different perspective doesn't it?

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Bollards, baby!

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Bollards, baby!

Wrong thread?

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Wrong thread?

*marine bollards! Coulda saved the bridge!
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