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[DJ_Critterus]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

I'm for a split of the US. By COUNTY, majority Red is a Red state. Majority Blue is a blue state.

The left will absolutely win any civil war. Hands down the right would be destroyed. Remember, the left has the military on their side. Don't tell me about their oath and Constitution and blah blah blah. When the shit hits the fan, the military will do as they are told. The ones that don't will be the enemy and dealt with swiftly.

So, you're saying you never served, huh?

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

that is entirely possible, but let's not forget the fact that there are people out there causing racial problems that are just waiting to boil over worse than they already have. BLM 2.0 will see a lot of pissed people who don't want their shit burned, looted, etc... and don't care to bend over backwards for the 13%. I guarantee those people are armed, now.

That's fair, but I also think there would only be a flash points (hot-spots). Not necessarily a full-on war. Certainly not involving military directly targeting citizens. There would likely be pockets of violence in large cities because lets be honest, they're not their to make a political statement...they're there to loot, burn, and harm the nearest white person they can find. And I agree...the victims from round one, will not be the victims in round two.

[Bill]

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If you think the military, both regular, and national guard, won't follow orders to confiscate guns, or round people up, I think you're wearing rose colored glasses.

And looking farther back, in the 90's, let's not forget the 29 Palms Marine Base survey of combat Marines....the grunts on the ground that do the killing and breaking of stuff. A significant minority of those folks said they'd grab up guns from Americans if ordered to do so.

https://jpfo.org/articles-assd/29palms-mcmanus.htm

Does anyone believe that there would be a smaller percentage of Marines now that would agree to do such a thing? Recruiting, indoctrination, and running out officers that won't toe the line has been happening at least since Obama captured the presidency, maybe longer.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4&t

If you think the military, both regular, and national guard, won't follow orders to confiscate guns, or round people up, I think you're wearing rose colored glasses.

And looking farther back, in the 90's, let's not forget the 29 Palms Marine Base survey of combat Marines....the grunts on the ground that do the killing and breaking of stuff. A significant minority of those folks said they'd grab up guns from Americans if ordered to do so.

https://jpfo.org/articles-assd/29palms-mcmanus.htm

Does anyone believe that there would be a smaller percentage of Marines now that would agree to do such a thing? Recruiting, indoctrination, and running out officers that won't toe the line has been happening at least since Obama captured the presidency, maybe longer.

One HUGE difference...Katrina was an isolated incident where the decision was made by a state official using state resources (National Guard) in an isolated area (not national). It was NOT active duty military confiscating. Also, there's zero chance of it happening on a national level with or without the military simply due to lack of numbers. And sure, when you survey crayon eaters if they'll follow orders, of course they'll say they'll do it during peacetime/wartime. But if/when that order is unlawful, nobody in uniform has to obey it. In fact, quite the opposite...we have a duty NOT to.

I'm telling you, I've been directly serving in the armed forces (USAF) for almost 30 years now, and when this conversation comes up about mass confiscation, the answer is nearly identical across all branches. The percentage of active duty folks that WOULD obey that order is in the single digits (probably 2%). I challenge anyone to ask. If you see someone in uniform, ask them directly if they would enforce a nationally ordered gun grab. I bet you I know the answer.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

I 100% disagree. I still work with the military every day. We have this discussion more often than you'd think. The military would not act as you describe, certainly not in numbers that you're thinking.

Talk is cheap.

The same claim was made about police and we've seen how that has played out. Police do as they are told or DON'T do anything because they are told not to.

The US military will be used against citizens and I have 100% confidence that anyone refusing the order, will be dealt with swiftly.

If a civil war...I mean the real deal, not a WalMart fire...were to start, I absolutely believe Biden's handlers will turn the military loose on us.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

So, you're saying you never served, huh?

No, I have not. I have enough friends that have. Marines, Air Force, Navy.

Those discussions aren't pretty. While they may not have personally taken action against citizens, EVERY one of them could name someone that would.

Rather anecdotal, but no less unsettling.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

Talk is cheap.

The same claim was made about police and we've seen how that has played out. Police do as they are told or DON'T do anything because they are told not to.

The US military will be used against citizens and I have 100% confidence that anyone refusing the order, will be dealt with swiftly.

If a civil war...I mean the real deal, not a WalMart fire...were to start, I absolutely believe Biden's handlers will turn the military loose on us.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion...even if it's wrong. I guess we'll just have to wait and see who's correct. I won't hold it against you for being wrong though.

[ft laud mike]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

At this point, I really think a left v. Right civil war will kick off if the election is stolen again.

One can hope, kick this mother****er off before I get too old

[ft laud mike]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

No, I have not. I have enough friends that have. Marines, Air Force, Navy.

Those discussions aren't pretty. While they may not have personally taken action against citizens, EVERY one of them could name someone that would.

Rather anecdotal, but no less unsettling.

I served 8 years in the Army, I then did 30 years working in prisons and jails...
A portion of the people I worked with/ for/ supervised over that time frame would gleefully arrest or kill for the leftist government( or any government paying their check).
I avoid contact with any arm of the government when possible.

[Tikiman]

The bottom line:

The Bidens took in $30 million from foreign adversaries around the world.

The Bidens can't say what they did to receive the money.

The Bidens have lied directly to the American people about the business schemes.

And Biden is involved an compromised.

- Rep James Comer (

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[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

One HUGE difference...Katrina was an isolated incident where the decision was made by a state official using state resources (National Guard) in an isolated area (not national). It was NOT active duty military confiscating. Also, there's zero chance of it happening on a national level with or without the military simply due to lack of numbers. And sure, when you survey crayon eaters if they'll follow orders, of course they'll say they'll do it during peacetime/wartime. But if/when that order is unlawful, nobody in uniform has to obey it. In fact, quite the opposite...we have a duty NOT to.

I'm telling you, I've been directly serving in the armed forces (USAF) for almost 30 years now, and when this conversation comes up about mass confiscation, the answer is nearly identical across all branches. The percentage of active duty folks that WOULD obey that order is in the single digits (probably 2%). I challenge anyone to ask. If you see someone in uniform, ask them directly if they would enforce a nationally ordered gun grab. I bet you I know the answer.

I would like to think you are correct, and have no insight to challenge you.
BUT, the military is very different than just four years ago, and I believe the number would be much higher given the culture and objectives of those who are now in charge of The DOD.

I hope I am wrong,,,

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

I would like to think you are correct, and have no insight to challenge you.
BUT, the military is very different than just four years ago, and I believe the number would be much higher given the culture and objectives of those who are now in charge of The DOD.

I hope I am wrong,,,

God lets hope I'm right.

I will say that my scope is also fairly localized and probably only represents 12-15% of the DOD I've been exposed to in my 30ish years. I do know that most would not have to make that decision until they were staring down the barrels of those who refuse to be disarmed. Until that day, this is all speculation on both parts. And if it ever happens, that will be a VERY sad time.

[ft laud mike]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Everyone is entitled to their opinion...even if it's wrong. I guess we'll just have to wait and see who's correct. I won't hold it against you for being wrong though.

That is a good philosophy...you are totally incorrect

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by ft laud mike

That is a good philosophy...you are totally incorrect

How so? I should hold it against him for being wrong?

[Bill]