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Old 11-15-2016, 04:27pm   #21
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I (meaning me personally) just don't care for it when people let their ideology influence their business practices.
I agree 100% with you on that. I tend to avoid doing business with anyone who uses their religion to identify themselves in business.
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I agree that I do not want the Government, be it Federal, State or Local, telling a business who it has to sell to unless it is the only entity within a 50 mile radius that can provide a specific product.

Now a wedding cake should not fall within that scope and the bakers could have told the gay couple that their beliefs would not permit them to bake the cake. The gay couple chose to make a point by suing the bakery. I want to know if they went to a different bakery for their wedding cake, and if they did, how they were "harmed" by not having a cake cooked by the original bakery. After all, only the artist can place a value on his/her creation.

On the other hand, the bakery would have been smart to make a straight multi-level wedding cake and state that that was the best they could do. That way they would have complied with the law and would not have given the Bureau of Labor and Industries Commissioner Brad Avaking a chance to push a personal agenda.

It also appears that Avaking was not positive that he could win the election and decided not to resign his position as Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industry. Accordingly, the people of Oregon will have to continue with this a**hat until 2019.
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Once upon a time, not too long ago, this sign sufficed:




Today, however, due to whininess, people who demand "special" treatment they may or may not deserve, plus the ever encroaching Government brings us to:


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Old 11-15-2016, 06:27pm   #24
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IIRC there could be federal, state or local laws which they could get sued under for that type of practice.

Like selling a car at a higher price to one type of people group than another.

I could be wrong.
Every cake is custom made, no? It would be difficult to work backwards into the pricing model.
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IIRC there could be federal, state or local laws which they could get sued under for that type of practice.
Justify the higher price due to having to hire a gay outside consultant to select color-coordinated frosting and cake colors and some fabulous filling.
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Absolutely agree. If a gay friend said that he went to XYZ Bakery and they wouldn't bake him a wedding cake because he's gay, I wouldn't go to that bakery ever again. The bakery is supporting people's ability to eat cake; that's it. If there are enough people who have that militant of a viewpoint and keep the bakery in business, then hurray for them. It just wouldn't include me.

If the gay friend says he's suing XYZ Bakery to force them to make a cake, I'll start buying a cupcake (or six) every day. Don't be an a**hole.

Like what Iron Chef said, if it were my bakery, I'd happily take, say, Gavin Newsom's money for a cake. I'd be thrilled to read in the paper that Gavin Newsom was struck by lightning, but his money is just as green as everyone else's.
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Justify the higher price due to having to hire a gay outside consultant to select color-coordinated frosting and cake colors and some fabulous filling.
I'm agreeing with these posts. There's also something to be said for regional marketing. If you have a problem serving the LGBT community, for phuck's sake don't set up shop in Portland, Seattle, Eugene, the Bay Area, the greater LA area, or San Diego... pretty much the whole left coast.
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I'm agreeing with these posts. There's also something to be said for regional marketing. If you have a problem serving the LGBT community, for phuck's sake don't set up shop in Portland, Seattle, Eugene, the Bay Area, the greater LA area, or San Diego... pretty much the whole left coast.
A more promising locale might be Hamtramck, Michigan.
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Biggest difference-Douchebag in San Francisco isn't providing a service or product based on a business license.
A couple of years ago wife and I went to New York city. We stopped by a local deli and I ordered a Reuben sandwich. Waiter politely told me it was a Jewish deli and they couldn't serve that. I ordered something else. Easy. Waiter didn't try to convert me or condemn me for my beliefs.

I have to wonder if the bakery did the same.
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Biggest difference-Douchebag in San Francisco isn't providing a service or product based on a business license.
A couple of years ago wife and I went to New York city. We stopped by a local deli and I ordered a Reuben sandwich. Waiter politely told me it was a Jewish deli and they couldn't serve that. I ordered something else. Easy. Waiter didn't try to convert me or condemn me for my beliefs.

I have to wonder if the bakery did the same.
Really? You should have gone to Katz's.



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Could the bakery have not been bold face up front with the couple? Sure.

They were kind of hosed no matter what they did at that point.

Tell the truth and they traveled down the vindictive revenge path of the militant gays attacking them as they saw.

Or give any number of not completely honest excuses (aka lie) and then compromise their principles, become hypocrites and later lambasted for it when that secret finally comes out (and it almost always does).



I guess I see it like this, how many times have "we", as a society, criticized someone for compromising their principles just to make a buck. "We" say they bowed to the all-mighty dollar and should have stood their ground.

Then when someone does they get lambasted for not just taking the money and "doing business".

And this opinion can change in a matter of seconds based on any number of factors. We, as people, are a fickle bunch.



Here's an example from a different point-of-view: Collin Kappernick.

I fully support his right to do what he's doing. There is nothing unconstitutional about it. He is exercising his protected rights.

Now do I agree with it? Heck no! I think his actions are grade A douche baggery and he's an a-hat for continuing to keep it up.

But is anyone suing him? Has he been fired? Nope. And he's an employee, not a business owner. He hasn't taken the financial risk the owners of the NFL team have taken. His money isn't on the line like the Owner(s) of the SF 49ers or other NFL owners.

But yet his freedom of speech and Constitutional rights are protected more than the bakery? I don't think they should be but to many it appears that way.

Freedom is messy. It can appear to get chaotic but that doesn't mean it stops.

IMHO these state and local "special groups" laws need to be struck down when the violate our Constitutional rights. Everyone is "special" in that we are all unique but we should all, if we are legal citizens, Americans. It's time we get back to that.

Treat each other with respect, even when we disagree.

Sorry for the rambling, I'll shut up now.
He wouldn't be doing that shit if he was a Dallas Cowboy.
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He wouldn't be doing that shit if he was a Dallas Cowboy.
Or on THIS guy's team. Go ahead, I DARE ya...

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Really? You should have gone to Katz's.



The Reuben turns 100 - NY Daily News
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