This is what the Assoc. of American Physicians and Surgeons were saying...

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by snide

OK, hold up. You're asking people to use their own common sense and personal responsibility.

And as a bonus, if they have none, then COVID takes care of the issue.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

Realistically, probably due to the fact kids that age are highly unlikely to be able to utilize a mask CORRECTLY..

Seen very few grown ass adults be able to correctly wash hands or use masks correctly.


Plus, the anti mask crowd KNOW: that masks do not work and lower your O2 and increase your CO2 levels. (roll eyes)


https://youtu.be/1i5qwtb_pOA

That's cute. Here's the actual study that refutes this.

[C3C7NIC]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

That's cute. Here's the actual study that refutes this.

No, you are the one that is Cute. Come on sugar pie, you can do better than that!!!

Nothing like posting a study with 10 subjects. and comparing face masks in the general public to an N95 while the (10) subjects run miles on a treadmill)


This just keeps getting better.


Do you know about studies, and statistics, or do you just google to find something that looks like it might match your narrative?


Methods of the study you linked>>>>
Ten healthcare workers each conducted multiple 1-hour treadmill walking sessions, at 1.7 miles/h, and at 2.5 miles/h, while wearing FFR with exhalation valve, FFR without exhalation valve, and without FFR (control session). We monitored heart rate, respiratory rate, tidal volume, minute volume, blood oxygen saturation, and transcutaneously measured P(CO2). We also measured user comfort and exertion, FFR moisture retention, and the carbon dioxide and oxygen concentrations in the FFR's dead space.


Conclusions: In healthy healthcare workers, FFR did not impose any important physiological burden during 1 hour of use, at realistic clinical work rates, but the FFR dead-space carbon dioxide and oxygen levels were significantly above and below, respectively, the ambient workplace standards, and elevated P(CO2) is a possibility. Exhalation valve did not significantly ameliorate the FFR's P(CO2) impact.

[C3C7NIC]

Originally Posted by aerovette

And as a bonus, if they have none, then COVID takes care of the issue.

Usually I am an advocate of Darwinism, however, this virus is killing innocent individuals. Yes even kids. I sure as hell would never want to see my grandbabies suffer this:


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...094-1/fulltext

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

No, you are the one that is Cute. Come on sugar pie, you can do better than that!!!

Nothing like posting a study with 10 subjects. and comparing face masks in the general public to an N95 while the (10) subjects run miles on a treadmill)


This just keeps getting better.


Do you know about studies, and statistics, or do you just google to find something that looks like it might match your narrative?


Methods of the study you linked>>>>
Ten healthcare workers each conducted multiple 1-hour treadmill walking sessions, at 1.7 miles/h, and at 2.5 miles/h, while wearing FFR with exhalation valve, FFR without exhalation valve, and without FFR (control session). We monitored heart rate, respiratory rate, tidal volume, minute volume, blood oxygen saturation, and transcutaneously measured P(CO2). We also measured user comfort and exertion, FFR moisture retention, and the carbon dioxide and oxygen concentrations in the FFR's dead space.


Conclusions: In healthy healthcare workers, FFR did not impose any important physiological burden during 1 hour of use, at realistic clinical work rates, but the FFR dead-space carbon dioxide and oxygen levels were significantly above and below, respectively, the ambient workplace standards, and elevated P(CO2) is a possibility. Exhalation valve did not significantly ameliorate the FFR's P(CO2) impact.

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

Usually I am an advocate of Darwinism, however, this virus is killing innocent individuals. Yes even kids. I sure as hell would never want to see my grandbabies suffer this:


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...094-1/fulltext

Thank you.
I also am a fan of Darwinism, however, this is preventable. The lack of a nationally cohesive plan is totally a travesty that is being perpetuated by the clown in charge.
The guy is a total joke when it comes down to brass tacks leadership.

[C3C7NIC]

Originally Posted by aerovette

My mom went to get blood drawn as a pre-op procedure for her HAND <<< yes, HAND yesterday.

At the end of the visit they asked her to review the information they gave her.

She said "I can verify everything except the code used. I don't know what that code means"

Oh, that is for a blood draw for an upper respiratory infection.

Mom: "That's not what it's for. I'm having my hand operated on".

Oh, it doesn't matter, your insurance will pay it either way. It's not a problem

Mom: "It is a problem. I don't want an upper respiratory infection referenced on my chart."

So she will spend most of her day today fighting over this bullshit because the default for everything points to COVID these days.

On the days I run the COVID testing clinic, there are only certain codes that you can use to screen an asymptomatic patient.

They should have used Z11.59. Some people are just to lazy or stupid to determine the correct code to use, so they just tag one. That was the incorrect code as she did not have symptoms.

There is a code for testing under every scenario: known exposure, suspected illness and asymptomatic. Not rocket science, but whomever ordered her test, likely the orthopedist, doesn't know about the correct order code, so they just picked one.

[C3C7NIC]

Originally Posted by aerovette

My mom went to get blood drawn as a pre-op procedure for her HAND <<< yes, HAND yesterday.

At the end of the visit they asked her to review the information they gave her.

She said "I can verify everything except the code used. I don't know what that code means"

Oh, that is for a blood draw for an upper respiratory infection.

Mom: "That's not what it's for. I'm having my hand operated on".

Oh, it doesn't matter, your insurance will pay it either way. It's not a problem

Mom: "It is a problem. I don't want an upper respiratory infection referenced on my chart."

So she will spend most of her day today fighting over this bullshit because the default for everything points to COVID these days.

To further help you understand, it is pretty complex for those that are not dealing with the testing on a regular basis. This explains the multiple codes and which one should be chosen:



On May 2, 2022, John Smith returns home from a trip to a locale where COVID-19 is endemic. He didn’t get his COVID-19 vaccine, has a fever, and started to cough. He goes to his PCP for evaluation.

If the test is negative, and the provider doesn’t think he has COVID-19, Z20.828. He is considered to have had potential exposure. The provider could also have diagnoses COVID-19 clinically if they felt the clinical situation supported it. The PCR testing (currently) has a 30-percent false negative rate.

On May 2, 2022, John Smith returns home from a trip to a locale where COVID-19 is endemic. He was scheduled for his yearly check-up and is asymptomatic. His doctor thinks it would be prudent to check a COVID-19 PCR test. It returns negative.

Z20.828. There is suspected or potential exposure.

It’s May 2, 2022. John Smith goes to his doctor for his yearly check-up. They routinely do a COVID-19 PCR test once a year, so they swab him. It is negative.

Z11.59. THIS is a screening. No concern for exposure. Routine surveillance.

It’s May 2, 2022. John Smith goes to his doctor for his yearly check-up after having seen Contagion on Netflix. He remembers how awful COVID-19 was in 2020, and asks the doctor to be swabbed. There are sporadic cases in his community, but he has not had any concrete exposure. The doctor complies, and the test is negative.

Z03.818, Encounter for observation for suspected exposure to other biological agents ruled out. The provider thought it was reasonable to check, but there was no known or suspected exposure. The test was negative.

May 2, 2022. John Smith goes to his doctor after having seen Contagion on Netflix last night. He remembers how awful COVID-19 was in 2020, and asks the doctor to be swabbed. There have not been any cases in his community since 2020, there has been no known or suspected exposure, and John has had his COVID-19 vaccine. His doctor reassures him without performing a PCR test.

Z71.1, Person with feared health complaint in whom no diagnosis is made.

[Jeff '79]

This oughta be good.
Waiting on the pseudo medical experts for the rebuttal...

[thecornerman]

You are have a battle of wits with unarmed people!

I for one appreciate all your input thru these trying times

I am a very literal person and don't recognize sarcasm very well, I relate it to stupidity and most times that's what it is

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

On the days I run the COVID testing clinic, there are only certain codes that you can use to screen an asymptomatic patient.

They should have used Z11.59. Some people are just to lazy or stupid to determine the correct code to use, so they just tag one. That was the incorrect code as she did not have symptoms.

There is a code for testing under every scenario: known exposure, suspected illness and asymptomatic. Not rocket science, but whomever ordered her test, likely the orthopedist, doesn't know about the correct order code, so they just picked one.

Just to clarify...her visit had absolutely nothing to do in any way with any aspect of COVID or any respiratory issue.

She is getting hand surgery.

I wasn't sure I covered that part well enough

[Murray]

Originally Posted by thecornerman

You are have a battle of wits with unarmed people!

I for one appreciate all your input thru these trying times

I am a very literal person and don't recognize sarcasm very well, I relate it to stupidity and most times that's what it is

Not a clue who you’re referring to but your English is amusing

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by thecornerman

You are have a battle of wits with unarmed people!

I for one appreciate all your input thru these trying times

I am a very literal person and don't recognize sarcasm very well, I relate it to stupidity and most times that's what it is

I think you're a smart fellow.

Which is this ? ^^^^^

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by thecornerman

You are have a battle of wits with unarmed people!

I for one appreciate all your input thru these trying times

I am a very literal person and don't recognize sarcasm very well, I relate it to stupidity and most times that's what it is

I'm as sarcastic as it gets, unfortunately.
Ya, it turns people off, but some people need to be sarcassed to the nth, because their ignorance is so prevalent.
My daughter is a doctor on the front lines and to hear her stories compared to the wanna be doctor's here is just alarming, to say the least.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

A virus so terrifying, you need to get tested to find out if you had it.

Originally Posted by snide

A virus so deadly, it has a 99.98% survival rate.

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

This oughta be good.
Waiting on the pseudo medical experts for the rebuttal...

No need for me to rebut. When I posted facts with links to support them, the "other side" put me on ignore. In my book, that means they concede.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

No, you are the one that is Cute. Come on sugar pie, you can do better than that!!!

Nothing like posting a study with 10 subjects. and comparing face masks in the general public to an N95 while the (10) subjects run miles on a treadmill)

Which is 9 more than nurse TikTok.

Seriously, you actually posted up a single person that did a shitty "experiment" and I posted up a less shitty one that said the opposite. This is triggering? You don't see the insanity of this bullshit? Wear a mask if you want, IDGAF. Me? I'll do what I want, when I want, how I want. There's a reason the last verse of the Star Spangled Banner has a question mark after it. Are we still the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave?

[snide]

Originally Posted by thecornerman

Y
I am a very literal person and don't recognize sarcasm very well, I relate it to stupidity and most times that's what it is

I too am a literal person, but I do recognize sarcasm quite well, and can use sarcasm quite well. Something I've found is that people who don't understand sarcasm tend to be stupid. For example, my mother-in-law, and my ex-wife. I'm sure that doesn't apply to you though...

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by snide

I too am a literal person, but I do recognize sarcasm quite well, and can use sarcasm quite well. Something I've found is that people who don't understand sarcasm tend to be stupid. For example, my mother-in-law, and my ex-wife. I'm sure that doesn't apply to you though...

You crack me up....

btw--- Who's on first ?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cdc-softe...181630718.html

The admin doesn't know which way is up at this point... God help us

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

You crack me up....

btw--- Who's on first ?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cdc-softe...181630718.html

The admin doesn't know which way is up at this point... God help us

Trump can do nothing right in your eyes. He lets government bureaucrats dictate national policy? He's not doing his job! He tries to implement national policy? He's a dictator! He tries to see to that our schools are open this fall? Literally Hitler, right Jeff.

It's all so tiresome. You probably don't even know what Biden's proposal for gun owners is, but you'll look it up and say "Uh, that's not a big deal, better than four more years of Drumph!"

[thecornerman]

Originally Posted by snide

I too am a literal person, but I do recognize sarcasm quite well, and can use sarcasm quite well. Something I've found is that people who don't understand sarcasm tend to be stupid. For example, my mother-in-law, and my ex-wife. I'm sure that doesn't apply to you though...

You know
Some days it does
I get to caught up in what I'm doing to stop and think was that??

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Trump can do nothing right in your eyes. He lets government bureaucrats dictate national policy? He's not doing his job! He tries to implement national policy? He's a dictator! He tries to see to that our schools are open this fall? Literally Hitler, right Jeff.

It's all so tiresome. You probably don't even know what Biden's proposal for gun owners is, but you'll look it up and say "Uh, that's not a big deal, better than four more years of Drumph!"

Lets hope the clown is paying attention.

New satellite imagery shows activity at suspected North Korean nuclear facility

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/polit...ges/index.html

Actually he did one good thing today but I forgot what it was.
You have to admit that the admin is a complete mess right now.