The Everything Tesla/EV Argument Thread

[MadInNc]

Logical

[sublime1996525]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

What percent of NEW CrewCab $60k+ 1/2 ton truck owners take their truck offroad?? I doubt that many do that. Most of the trucks that go offroad are older trucks that are already dinged up. I would bet no more than 5% owner haul LARGE trailers for long distances with their 1/2 ton trucks. I don't know if there is such statistic but I would like to see it if it exists.
As I said, I had 6 Pickup Trucks and I remodeled homes (and still do at times) and I never went offroad and I never hauled more than 8000 lbs

Just because you never did it doesn’t mean more than 99% don’t. You don’t need to always be hauling an 8,000 pound trailer or rock climbing. Towing a 3,500 pound trailer is done very often. Which is nothing for a 1/2 ton truck but still kills the range on an EV.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by sublime1996525

Towing a 3,500 pound trailer is done very often. Which is nothing for a 1/2 ton truck but still kills the range on an EV.

He will never acknowledge this. He never does… what you will inevitably see is some ridiculous strawman deflection about regularly pulling large loads cross country.

Interestingly enough, I’m pulling a 3500 pound kart trailer from Cincinnati to Indy and back. It is about 260 miles round trip and is an easy 0 stop drive with the Escalade at 75mph on cruise control. To imagine that you would likely need not just one, but two stops to charge in the Tesla to make the same trip (unless you decide to drive at 55mph to make range) is absolutely laughable.

Edit: 272 miles round trip.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

The difference is that “range” on a gas truck is at most a minor nuisance.

Although based on the customer demographic, I guess taking even more range out of the Tesla wouldn’t matter if it’s only used to pick things up at Target and make and a quick stop at Starbucks.

I doubt that many people will go on major road trips during conditions like that. Most people up north will use winter tires during winter season and not all season tires.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

The 1 certainty is that it won’t be in a Tesla…

At this point, there are no viable EV choices for this type of use.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by MadInNc

Logical

Why would that be? Then, maybe gas car owners should only power their gas cars with home made gas.. That statement makes no sense. Most EV owners give a F about the environment. None of the Plaid owners I know cares about that.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by sublime1996525

Just because you never did it doesn’t mean more than 99% don’t. You don’t need to always be hauling an 8,000 pound trailer or rock climbing. Towing a 3,500 pound trailer is done very often. Which is nothing for a 1/2 ton truck but still kills the range on an EV.

A 3500 lbs trailer won't cut range anywhere close to a 11000 lbs trailer.
I have towed a 2000 lbs trailer with my Model Y as well as Model X Plaid and efficiency was reduced by about 20 - 25%

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I doubt that many people will go on major road trips during conditions like that. Most people up north will use winter tires during winter season and not all season tires.

Tell us you've never lived in the north without telling us you've never lived in the north.

Most people up north do not change to "winter" tires and run all season tires the rest of the year, that went out decades ago. I grew up in Colorado and lived my entire life up north until our move to Florida in 2019. We didn't use "winter" tires for at least 20 years because all season tires worked fine unless it was very deep snow.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Most people up north will use winter tires during winter season and not all season tires.

Just another set of wheels and tires. No big deal.

Funny that nobody I know has ever had to change tires on any other truck or SUV seasonally. Don’t forget to factor that into the “per mile” cost.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Why would that be? Then, maybe gas car owners should only power their gas cars with home made gas.. That statement makes no sense. Most EV owners give a F about the environment. None of the Plaid owners I know cares about that.

Fitting as the process for manufacturing the batteries is devastating to the environment.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

…because all season tires worked fine unless it was very deep snow.

Crazy that the phrase “all season” actually means… All seasons.

Unless you drive a Tesla.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Crazy that the phrase “all season” actually means… All seasons.

It's a difficult concept to grasp for people who never drive in snow and ice and think changing to "snow" tires every winter is still a thing.

My rental car this week in Utah has all season tires. I should demand "winter" tires.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

It's a difficult concept to grasp for people who never drive in snow and ice and think changing to "snow" tires every winter is still a thing.

My rental car this week in Utah has all season tires. I should demand "winter" tires.

Please make sure you record that conversation.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Tell us you've never lived in the north without telling us you've never lived in the north.

Most people up north do not change to "winter" tires and run all season tires the rest of the year, that went out decades ago. I grew up in Colorado and lived my entire life up north until our move to Florida in 2019. We didn't use "winter" tires for at least 20 years because all season tires worked fine unless it was very deep snow.

I lived for the first 26 years of my life in Austria/Europe.. Plenty of snow there. In Austria, government actually REQUIRES you to use winter tires from November to March I believe.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Just another set of wheels and tires. No big deal.

Funny that nobody I know has ever had to change tires on any other truck or SUV seasonally. Don’t forget to factor that into the “per mile” cost.

I'd think that this applies to most vehicles up north. I grew up in Austria/Europe and it was even required to have snow/winter tires for the winter season. It's actually shocking that you can drive in many US states that have snow with all season tires.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

Fitting as the process for manufacturing the batteries is devastating to the environment.

IDGAFF.
Do you like your smartphone?? All that slave labor that goes into those smartphone batteries.. Shame on you

Never been concerned about the environment, especially if it's not in our country.

[GTOguy]

I hauled over 7,000 pounds over 650 miles in one shot, over the Cascade mountains. It was a 12 hour haul with one fuel stop that took minutes. In an 18 year old Toyota Tundra 4x4. No issues, no drama.

And the month before, hauled a 16 foot trailer loaded with thousands of pounds of stuff from Las Vegas to the SF Bay Area. About 650 miles also. No issues. Same old truck.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Crazy that the phrase “all season” actually means… All seasons.

Unless you drive a Tesla.

So, I once rented a Nissan Sentra out of New Jersey (Atlantic City) and drove up to Westchester County/NY. There was a major snow storm/bilzzard while I was there. I had a hard time getting up most hills with those all season tires. Not really a tire that I'd use if I'd live there.. I would definitely have a set of winter rims&tires. When I lived in Austria, I did have a separate set of wheels&winter tires for my cars.

[The_Dude]

didn't read

[Murray]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Tell us you've never lived in the north without telling us you've never lived in the north.

Most people up north do not change to "winter" tires and run all season tires the rest of the year, that went out decades ago. I grew up in Colorado and lived my entire life up north until our move to Florida in 2019. We didn't use "winter" tires for at least 20 years because all season tires worked fine unless it was very deep snow.

the irony

Winter tires being far superior to all season has almost nothing to do with snow depth and everything to do with temperature and their ability to stay softer.

All seasons were okay in the 70’s but so were rotary phones.