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I have to agree with DAB. I have one of those, and to say that IT IS NOT a range gun, is an understatement. IMO, it is not an every day carry, it is a backup gun. Without a doubt, in a pinch, it will get someone off of you, but it would not be the choice for a gun noob. If you want to get something relatively small, and could be used as a range/carry gun, I recommend the Springfield XDM in 9mm. It has a grip safety etc and is very compact. The LCP is a double action only gun, and while I do carry mine as a backup, it is never a primary. Just my .02 though Spence.
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Just curious, we're talking about carry guns for women, what about a Walther PPK chambered in .380? It's small for my hand, but might work well for a young lady, and it's very compact. I get that there's not much stopping power, but maybe loading it with +P hollow points could make it bite a little more than what it actually is?
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I have one, and I say NO. They are beautiful little pistols, but even being steel it can be a bit of a handful...they aren't exactly light either. Mine is a S&W licensed version, and they made some modifications to the beavertail area to rectify slide bite, AKA "PPK itis", even then mine has bit me a few times. Hot loads, gets tiresome pretty quick...starts to hurt your hand. Sights are tiny. And they are FINICKY when it comes to ammo, at least mine is...I believe that is a quality of the .380 versions, and the S&W licensed models. I worked with a guy a number of years ago that was a cop in National City (San Diego hood) and he carried one as a backup gun. |
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I carry a Kahr 9 mm; it is small. light, and kicks like a sumbitch, but it will get the job done at close range. No offense intended nor taken, folks. |
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I carry a Ruger .380 as a back-up, but rarely a stand alone weapon. It has a terrible trigger and a worse reset. I understand its limitations and work with it accordingly. For me, it’s a last ditch, “get off me” gun. I wouldn’t want to engage another armed individual if that was all I had, but it might work in a pinch against someone armed with a knife or a baseball bat.
I prefer carrying TMJ for the penetration. |
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When we were looking for one for my wife, she picked this...S&W M&P 9MM
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9mm Kurz is the same as 380 auto. the round is known as the 9mm Kurz (short) in europe, and as the 380 auto in the USA. https://modernfirearms.net/en/cartridge/9x17-browning/ 9mm Kurz is 9mmx17 9mm Luger is 9mmx19. common 9mm will not fit or work in that PPK. |
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“TMJ”= Total Metal Jacket. Sorry, I forgot there were some people in here that don’t know that much about firearms.
In any event, I prefer carrying a metal jacketed round to a controlled expansion round in the .380 because I need penetration more than expansion. |
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despite the advice offered, our legal beagle will purchase this pistol for his daughter, they will go shooting once, she will not enjoy it, and that will be the last time that pistol is fired. it will retire to a quiet life of prayer and contemplation in a drawer somewhere. |
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I'm hoping that she enjoys shooting some of the weapons; with ear protectors the fearness of loud goes away. It will be some time before she is accurate...but I want her to try with the larger weapons. I think accuracy at say, 25 feet, is hopeless with a small CCW. She doesn't like guns, but she knows that they are a necessity nowadays, |
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I think all of you are forgetting surplus guns. I have a Polish P-64 Radom, and it eats anything you feed it. In stock form, the double action pull is the worst I've ever come across. However, Wolff springs makes a cure for that. It is all steel, and I'm yet to have any type of malfunction. I use Hornaday critical defense ammo, and don't hesitate to carry it as a primary firearm. It shoots 9x18 Makarov ammo, and is an extremely well built gun. The Smith Shield guns are great, but I will never have another one of those with the thumb safety. In a critical moment, it could be your undoing. I know that I'm probably not even close to being the firearms expert some of you are, but I do shoot a lot, and am speaking from personal experience. I do stand by my recommendation of the Springfield XDM 9mm, It has 13 round capacity mag, and with the extended mag, which makes it feel like a full size pistol, up to 19 rounds in the mag. Plus, the grip safety is much better than a thumb safety in my opinion. Interested to see what you guys think about my .02.
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I second the Glock recommendation for an unexperienced, uninterested shooter. Pretty fool proof. Having said that, my 12 year old was with me when I bought my Ultra Carry II and fell in love with Kimber's little Bel Air .380. Pricey little gun, but she kept on about it until I bought it for her about three months later. We go to the range fairly often now, and she's becoming a pretty decent shooter, even though she loses interest at about the 50 round mark, so we pack up and come back later. No complaints about the little Kimber- it has never jammed on us, is a pretty gun, and pretty darn accurate for a little .380.
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Throw out usability, weigth, etc. IT LOOKS GOOD! Oh, she also bought herself a Yugoslavian AK47. |
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The P-64 is very close to the Walther PPK. That said, I wouldn't buy anything but the German made guns, not the Smith licensed ones. Give me a sec, and I will send you a couple of pics of the P-64.
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Mine has been back to S&W once, and it's still kind of a paperweight. That said, I ain't getting rid of it...at least while I am here in California. Difficult to source in this stupid state.
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