Conservatives need to quit hating on Tesla

[Rob]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

They do what you need them to do. But maybe, just maybe, the resistance from the South and the Midwest comes from the fact that most of us actually travel beyond a tiny little bubble and use vehicles for more than driving to Target and Starbucks.

I shop at neither of those.


But I do agree with the rest of what you say, EV is still in its infancy and right now there is really only one player in the market. Once the ability and technology catches up to ICE, and it will, that is when you will see a full scale adoption begin to occur.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Over the weekend I loaded up my decade old, 100k mile truck with an entire go-kart operation and 4 people and drove it 520 miles through the mountains in 18 degree weather. I filled up once over the weekend at the destination and drove it back... including an hour and a half traffic jam in the mountains of WV.

Let me guess it's an American made truck. Your uncle died in the South Pacific in WWII and no way will you buy Japanese.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

Because they'll never develop the EV to do that.

And when they do, great.

As of now, they aren't even close. What's your point?

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

Your thinking is the perfect example of someone from the Midwest and South.. Millions of people drive to work in their EV. Funny how you throw in Starbucks. Change scares you. Do i own a Tesla, NO. But i see it coming

Yes, my thinking is indeed a perfect example of someone who regularly goes more than 50 miles from my own house. I'm not "scared" of anything. I want a vehicle to do what I need it to do. If EVs manage to get there at some point, great. As of now, they're not even in the vicinity of being able to do what ICE trucks have been able to do for decades.

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

I make a point with Yaddy about the Midwest and South 40-60 years ago and how they were slow to change in many area's and he brings up what's going on now in South and Midwest. I'am not talking about now, things have changed but they're always last from those regions for any major change. And you're the perfect example.

You don't know shit about me, you pretentious f**k.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Rob

I shop at neither of those.


But I do agree with the rest of what you say, EV is still in its infancy and right now there is really only one player in the market. Once the ability and technology catches up to ICE, and it will, that is when you will see a full scale adoption begin to occur.

The technology for EVs to charge and the same speed as it takes to fill up your gas car as well as range does exist already. It will take 2 to 3 decades to have sufficient charging infrastructure charging at that speed and production capacity for the fast charging, long range batteries.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

Let me guess it's an American made truck. Your uncle died in the South Pacific in WWII and no way will you buy Japanese.

Yes, it is an American truck. I didn't buy it because it's American. I bought it because there is no truck from anywhere else that has anywhere near the capacity of the American 1 tons.

I have nothing against Japanese, European, or any other vehicles.

Keep trying.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Rob

I shop at neither of those.


But I do agree with the rest of what you say, EV is still in its infancy and right now there is really only one player in the market. Once the ability and technology catches up to ICE, and it will, that is when you will see a full scale adoption begin to occur.

At one time microwaves and computers were in it's infancy. They'll have the EV's flooding the market someday and people will hold out like they did in so many areas. "Buy American" was the big slogan years ago to keep people from buying Japanese cars. And now the Japanese sell the most cars in America. Like i said before people are afraid of change

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

The technology for EVs to charge and the same speed as it takes to fill up your gas car as well as range does exist already. It will take 2 to 3 decades to have sufficient charging infrastructure charging at that speed and production capacity for the fast charging, long range batteries.

Exactly. 30 years from now, EVs might finally be where ICE vehicles were 30 years ago.

If/when EVs actually have better capabilities than ICE, I'm sure they will be the vehicle of choice. That time is not now.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

The technology for EVs to charge and the same speed as it takes to fill up your gas car as well as range does exist already. It will take 2 to 3 decades to have sufficient charging infrastructure charging at that speed and production capacity for the fast charging, long range batteries.

I could care less about charging speed, nor did I even mention that.

Slow down, read what people are saying, stay on topic.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

If EVs manage to get there at some point, great. As of now, they're not even in the vicinity of being able to do what ICE trucks have been able to do for decades.

They will get there at some point and they don't gaf about what your truck can do because the majority of the people that drive just go back and forth to work and to their local stores and that's the market they want and will get.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

At one time microwaves and computers were in it's infancy. They'll have the EV's flooding the market someday and people will hold out like they did in so many areas. "Buy American" was the big slogan years ago to keep people from buying Japanese cars. And now the Japanese sell the most cars in America. Like i said before people are afraid of change

…And yet almost 8 decades after the microwave was invented, every house still has an oven and a stove.

I guess that’s because people are afraid of the change.

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

At one time microwaves and computers were in it's infancy. They'll have the EV's flooding the market someday and people will hold out like they did in so many areas. "Buy American" was the big slogan years ago to keep people from buying Japanese cars. And now the Japanese sell the most cars in America. Like i said before people are afraid of change

Buy American was about keeping American jobs and pushed hardest by unions to keep unions strong. It had nothing to do with fear of change. Your comparison to electric cars is poor.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by ptindall

Buy American was about keeping American jobs and pushed hardest by unions to keep unions strong. It had nothing to do with fear of change. Your comparison to electric cars is poor.

His comparison to microwaves, however, is spot on. Albeit not in the way he intended.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by ptindall

Buy American was about keeping American jobs and pushed hardest by unions to keep unions strong. It had nothing to do with fear of change.

It was also about buying American cars because they could see the shift of Japanese cars out selling American cars. Yes it had to do with fear of change and the BIG 3 losing the market.

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

This is my opinion of course, but I ask...

Who, besides Trump, has done more for conservatives in the last 8 years than Elon Musk?

He's not even a conservative but what he did with Twitter to expose the swamp and allow the truth to be seen can't be understated. He exposed more proof of the deep state than Trump did. All made possible by that battery powered car that conservatives love to hate.

Let the hate and debate rage

I can't dislike Tesla because Musk bought Twitter? Am I required to be a Hollywood fan because that's how Ronald Reagan became President? Should I stop insulting Harvard because Thomas Sowell graduated from there?

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

…And yet almost 8 decades after the microwave was invented, every house still has an oven and a stove.

I guess that’s because people are afraid of the change.

All of the people who were afraid to adopt a microwave for cooking are long dead. Same with all the Luddites who refused to give up their horses when the automobile came along.

What we have today are people who are scared to death of EVs and especially self-driving cars, mostly because of the irrational feat that once these vehicles become mainstream the government will ban human-driven ICE vehicles.

"You'll pry my steering wheel out of my cold dead hands!!!!!"

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

…And yet almost 8 decades after the microwave was invented, every house still has an oven and a stove.

I guess that’s because people are afraid of the change.

I have people i know that still have flip top phones and they don't know how and won't learn how to text. People fought that until they saw without a cell phone and texting your way behind times. I'am done arguing with you.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

You're dumber than people say you are.

“In 1958, Toyota became the first Japanese company to sell a mass-produced passenger car in the US. Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. (TMS) established in California in 1957. In 1982 Honda Accord rolled off the assembly line at the Marysville, Ohio, auto plant. And what year did the Japanese build Plants in the south and midwest maybe 20 to 30 years later?

I've got some surprising news for you, apparently: It's 2024. The South is auto manufacturing nirvana now since most of the states have right-to-work, not antiquated unions.

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

It was also about buying American cars because they could see the shift of Japanese cars out selling American cars. Yes it had to do with fear of change and the BIG 3 losing the market.

Fear of change from The United States having a dominant auto industry to a dominated auto industry is like the fear of change from having the best military to an inferior military. The auto industry is a huge portion of the national economy and industrial capacity. There is a national interest involved. The change from gasoline cars to electric cars has no such interest. Your comparison is poor, which is why nobody ever makes it but you.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

…And yet almost 8 decades after the microwave was invented, every house still has an oven and a stove.

Perhaps because there are different tools that work better for different jobs?

No one ever cooked a good Thanksgiving dinner in a microwave ...conversely, reheating, defrosting or boiling water is exponentially better/fast and costs less in a microwave than a conventional oven.

Kind of like having a daily commuter that costs pennies per day to operate vs one that costs many dollars per day...

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

I've got some surprising news for you, apparently: It's 2024. The South is auto manufacturing nirvana now since most of the states have right-to-work, not antiquated unions.

I make a point with Yaddy about the Midwest and South 40-60 years ago and how they were slow to change in many area's and he brings up what's going on now in South and Midwest. I'am not talking about now, things have changed but they're always last from those regions for any major change.