Choose your color scheme:
The Vette Barn  
 
Go Back   The Vette Barn > Off Topic/Babes/Other > Off Topic

Off Topic Off Topic - General non-Corvette related discussion.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-01-2015, 11:35am   #1
BADRACR1
Barn Stall Owner #5150
Bantayan Kids '17
Points: 40,921, Level: 100
Activity: 3.6%
 
BADRACR1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: East Ridge TN
Posts: 18,584
Thanks: 12,431
Thanked 3,972 Times in 1,502 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $2000032332
Default Navy officer to face charges for returning fire during terrorist attack here

If the information just posted on allenbwest.com is correct the DOD has decided to bring charges against Navy officer Lt. Cmdr Timothy White for using his personal firearm to engage the terrorist that was shooting at other servicemen at the naval reserve here in Chattanooga Glass last month. Lt. White violated a DOD directive by possessing a firearm on a military installation. Never mind that his actions likely saved many lives and limited the casualities inflicted by the "lone gunman" (i. e. crazed Muslim).
This is horse shit. The man deserves a commendation, not his career ruined.

Cannot link it from my phone but will post it later when I get home.
BADRACR1 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 13 Users Say Thank You to BADRACR1 For This Useful Post:
Old 08-01-2015, 11:48am   #2
mrvette
Latin American Goat Roper
Barn Stall Owner #101
Bantayan Kids '13
Points: 132,350, Level: 100
Activity: 10.8%
 
mrvette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Orange Park Florida
Posts: 60,581
Thanks: 32,797
Thanked 11,529 Times in 5,686 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1138393
Default

Our so called .gov is SO effed up, it's pathetic.....and with ACORN rigging the vote scanners....I hold no hope.....
mrvette is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to mrvette For This Useful Post:
Old 08-01-2015, 11:55am   #3
Shrike6
Barn Raising II,III,IV
Bantayan Kids '13
Points: 20,057, Level: 97
Activity: 0%
 
Shrike6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 3,072
Thanks: 211
Thanked 1,731 Times in 902 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $619461
Default

I was just going to post this. This .gov is insane.
Words fail me....
Shrike6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2015, 12:18pm   #4
C5SilverBullet
Barn Stall Owner #3
Barn Raising I
NCM Supporter '11, '12
Points: 43,112, Level: 100
Activity: 1.1%
 
C5SilverBullet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Texas City, TX
Posts: 12,098
Thanks: 830
Thanked 4,155 Times in 1,854 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $2324642
Default

Haven't seen it from a non-propaganda news outlet yet.
C5SilverBullet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2015, 12:36pm   #5
69camfrk
Barn Stall Owner #6969
NCM Supporter '11, '12,'17,'20
Points: 69,093, Level: 100
Activity: 8.6%
 
69camfrk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Somewhere in GA
Posts: 25,086
Thanks: 11,241
Thanked 11,493 Times in 5,018 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1071547
Default

It is not rational how the .gov is. They tell the .mil crowd what huge targets we are, yet turn around and tell us we are not competent enough to carry our own firearms. Just wait on security forces or the police. I call bullshit, and so does everyone I know. I can be shot at by some crazy sumbitch, but can't return fire. Complete load of BS. And unfortunately, the Navy guy is probably going to be burned at the stake because of the ridiculous politics. To say it pisses me off is an understatement.... Maybe the sorry pieces of crap that make these rules and or enforce them should be without protection. Starting at the top. No more Presidential security. After all, shouldn't people be nice????
69camfrk is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to 69camfrk For This Useful Post:
Old 08-01-2015, 12:42pm   #6
Shrike6
Barn Raising II,III,IV
Bantayan Kids '13
Points: 20,057, Level: 97
Activity: 0%
 
Shrike6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 3,072
Thanks: 211
Thanked 1,731 Times in 902 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $619461
Default

Did you ever notice that the people that want to keep everybody defenseless are ALWAYS well protected by ARMED security? Paid for by US!
Shrike6 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Shrike6 For This Useful Post:
Old 08-01-2015, 12:47pm   #7
Broken Wind
A Real Barner
Points: 22,587, Level: 100
Activity: 2.5%
 
Broken Wind's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Pronouns: Screw/You
Posts: 4,307
Thanks: 1,642
Thanked 2,418 Times in 934 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1013854
Default

If true, I'd like to be a member of that court martial.

There was a time I would have said no jury would convict him. Not so sure today.
Broken Wind is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Broken Wind For This Useful Post:
Old 08-01-2015, 12:53pm   #8
69camfrk
Barn Stall Owner #6969
NCM Supporter '11, '12,'17,'20
Points: 69,093, Level: 100
Activity: 8.6%
 
69camfrk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Somewhere in GA
Posts: 25,086
Thanks: 11,241
Thanked 11,493 Times in 5,018 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1071547
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Broken Wind View Post
If true, I'd like to be a member of that court martial.

There was a time I would have said no jury would convict him. Not so sure today.
If it is true, then everyone here should be on the phone to their congressman/woman come Monday morning demanding the LtCdr get a medal, not a Captain's Mast. It is time for us to put up or shut up. This guy is a hero for limiting potentially many more lives lost.
69camfrk is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to 69camfrk For This Useful Post:
Old 08-02-2015, 9:17am   #9
HellCat
Vette Barn Crew
Points: 4,806, Level: 47
Activity: 0%
 
HellCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 615
Thanks: 61
Thanked 169 Times in 105 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $103430
Default

For some reason just about everything the military and law enforcement do these days is Monday morning quarterbacked until they can find enough reason to hang the good guys. Problem is good guys don't fight back as a group while the bad guys do, and they know they won't be publically criticized. The inmates have taken over the asylum.
HellCat is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to HellCat For This Useful Post:
Old 08-02-2015, 9:41am   #10
VITE1
Barn Stall Owner #69
Bantayan Kids '14,'15,'17
GTMS ‘18
Points: 62,120, Level: 100
Activity: 3.2%
 
VITE1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Port Saint Lucie FL
Posts: 43,822
Thanks: 25,657
Thanked 12,526 Times in 5,847 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1084134
Default

I've seen this in several news reports. America should b embarrassed by this and other actions taken by our government.
VITE1 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to VITE1 For This Useful Post:
Old 08-02-2015, 10:13am   #11
DukeAllen
A Real Barner
Points: 42,433, Level: 100
Activity: 99.5%
 
DukeAllen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 37,035
Thanks: 20,029
Thanked 9,186 Times in 4,944 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $10001598
Default

He should get a medal and a promotion.
DukeAllen is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to DukeAllen For This Useful Post:
Old 08-02-2015, 10:39am   #12
island14
Bamboo Boy
Bantayan Kids '13,'14,15
Points: 67,589, Level: 100
Activity: 99.6%
 
island14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Bamboo Hut
Posts: 32,900
Thanks: 9,172
Thanked 8,006 Times in 4,537 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $11975076
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VITE1 View Post
I've seen this in several news reports. America should b embarrassed by this and other actions taken by our government.



Stupid cock suckers need to wake up and see the real world..

It shames me to think we let these lame fags take over to rule..

They should be giving the guy an award..
island14 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to island14 For This Useful Post:
Old 08-02-2015, 5:11pm   #13
NavyC5
Barn Stall Owner #85
Points: 12,844, Level: 78
Activity: 1.6%
 
NavyC5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,800
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1,432 Times in 496 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $109805
Default

I agree 100% that was he did was heroic and probably saved lives. I also agree that the policy is beyond stupid. If it wasn't you wouldn't have National Guard offices telling their people to arm up.

However, being a 19 year veteran I do feel he should be punished. He was given a direct order, which he chose to violate. The order was stupid, but it was lawful. He made a decision to violate the order and should be punished accordingly.

I just spent the last 6 years as a First Sergeant advising commanders on just this kind of issue. If I was standing in my CC's office, my advice would be Article 15 punishment or possible Court Martial.

I did see an earlier comment urging people to call their Congressmen. However, this is the last thing the military justice system needs. We have rules and a process in place and the last thing the process needs is a bunch of politicians sticking their noses into it. This is precisely the reason the military justice system is so messed up when it comes to sexual assault. The system was working and then the politics got involved. Now we have Commanders afraid to lead and make decisions based on politics instead of what's right for the member, the squadron and the Air Force.
NavyC5 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to NavyC5 For This Useful Post:
Old 08-02-2015, 5:30pm   #14
mrvette
Latin American Goat Roper
Barn Stall Owner #101
Bantayan Kids '13
Points: 132,350, Level: 100
Activity: 10.8%
 
mrvette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Orange Park Florida
Posts: 60,581
Thanks: 32,797
Thanked 11,529 Times in 5,686 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1138393
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyC5 View Post
I agree 100% that was he did was heroic and probably saved lives. I also agree that the policy is beyond stupid. If it wasn't you wouldn't have National Guard offices telling their people to arm up.

However, being a 19 year veteran I do feel he should be punished. He was given a direct order, which he chose to violate. The order was stupid, but it was lawful. He made a decision to violate the order and should be punished accordingly.

I just spent the last 6 years as a First Sergeant advising commanders on just this kind of issue. If I was standing in my CC's office, my advice would be Article 15 punishment or possible Court Martial.

I did see an earlier comment urging people to call their Congressmen. However, this is the last thing the military justice system needs. We have rules and a process in place and the last thing the process needs is a bunch of politicians sticking their noses into it. This is precisely the reason the military justice system is so messed up when it comes to sexual assault. The system was working and then the politics got involved. Now we have Commanders afraid to lead and make decisions based on politics instead of what's right for the member, the squadron and the Air Force.
I agree with the second 1/2 of your statement, but I have a problem with him being charged for using common sense in 'failure to follow STUPID orders'.......and I don't give a shit about the political crap, those 'orders' are STOOOOOOOOOPID!!!!!! and all else is bullshit!!!!!!


F*CK the poly-ticks.......



mrvette is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to mrvette For This Useful Post:
Old 08-02-2015, 5:55pm   #15
NavyC5
Barn Stall Owner #85
Points: 12,844, Level: 78
Activity: 1.6%
 
NavyC5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,800
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1,432 Times in 496 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $109805
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrvette View Post
I agree with the second 1/2 of your statement, but I have a problem with him being charged for using common sense in 'failure to follow STUPID orders'.......and I don't give a shit about the political crap, those 'orders' are STOOOOOOOOOPID!!!!!! and all else is bullshit!!!!!!


F*CK the poly-ticks.......



I agree 100% that the order was stupid. That's why you work to get the rule changed, you don't arbitrarily decide to violate it. That's not how the military works. I have to follow orders every day that I think are stupid, what do I do. I work to change the ones I can, and follow the ones I can't. That's how being in the military works. Those of us in the chain of command follow the orders of those appointed over us. If we don't, the process fails.
NavyC5 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to NavyC5 For This Useful Post:
Old 08-02-2015, 6:07pm   #16
bill_daniels
10cm member
Barn Stall Owner #90125

NCM Supporter '19,'20
Points: 219,936, Level: 100
Activity: 99.4%
 
bill_daniels's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Houston, Tejas, Estados Unidos
Posts: 80,886
Thanks: 36,585
Thanked 41,075 Times in 17,078 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $2621492
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyC5 View Post
I agree 100% that the order was stupid. That's why you work to get the rule changed, you don't arbitrarily decide to violate it. That's not how the military works. I have to follow orders every day that I think are stupid, what do I do. I work to change the ones I can, and follow the ones I can't. That's how being in the military works. Those of us in the chain of command follow the orders of those appointed over us. If we don't, the process fails.


I'd have to argue that forcibly disarming our troops when we are "at war" with terror is an illegal order, and thus should not be followed. Failing that, if there is a court martial, I only have two words....jury nullification.
bill_daniels is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to bill_daniels For This Useful Post:
Old 08-02-2015, 6:25pm   #17
RedLS1GTO
C4 Mod
Barn Raising II,III
Points: 58,715, Level: 100
Activity: 87.4%
 
RedLS1GTO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Cincinnati, OH ....ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑBE....
Posts: 13,731
Thanks: 1,298
Thanked 7,705 Times in 3,420 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $19752494
Default

NavyC5 is spot on.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_daniels View Post
I'd have to argue that forcibly disarming our troops when we are "at war" with terror is an illegal order, and thus should not be followed. Failing that, if there is a court martial, I only have two words....jury nullification.
Ummmmm yea, that's not quite how it works. It's a rule that you (and I) don't like. That doesn't make it illegal and it doesn't mean you just say f**k it and do what you want instead.

LCDR made a choice. He will face the consequences of that choice. He knew the rules, as does anybody who serves. He willfully broke them.

I highly suspect he will hold his head high throughout the disciplinary process to come.

I don't agree with this rule at all, never did. I hope this highlights it and takes us closer to changing it.
RedLS1GTO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2015, 7:50pm   #18
markids77
A Real Barner
Points: 22,341, Level: 100
Activity: 13.3%
 
markids77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: sweatin' on the oldies
Posts: 13,695
Thanks: 8,171
Thanked 3,822 Times in 2,202 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1000483
Default

Since every member of the military is issued a weapon and trained in the use thereof I have to wonder why every one who is wearing their uniform is not also wearing their weapon? It has become glaringly obvious that terror is indeed a Worldwide problem so it seems irresponsible of the commanders to allow their people t go about without the means to fight.
IDGAS if the sheeple might find the sight of M4s in public disturbing...we are indeed at war and should be prepared at all times!
markids77 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to markids77 For This Useful Post:
Old 08-02-2015, 7:58pm   #19
JRD77VET
Barn Stall Owner #327
NCM Supporter '16,'17,'19,'20
Bantayan Kids '13,'14,'15,'17
GTMS ‘18
Points: 115,508, Level: 100
Activity: 13.3%
 
JRD77VET's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Zionsville,PA
Posts: 49,035
Thanks: 25,745
Thanked 21,856 Times in 8,891 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $5976008
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by markids77 View Post
Since every member of the military is issued a weapon and trained in the use thereof I have to wonder why every one who is wearing their uniform is not also wearing their weapon? It has become glaringly obvious that terror is indeed a Worldwide problem so it seems irresponsible of the commanders to allow their people t go about without the means to fight.
IDGAS if the sheeple might find the sight of M4s in public disturbing...we are indeed at war and should be prepared at all times!
I would feel a lot better having the folks who are responsible for keeping our country safe having loaded weapons on them at all times.

Are they to act as English Bobbies yelling "Stop or I'll yell stop again" ?
JRD77VET is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JRD77VET For This Useful Post:
Old 08-02-2015, 8:05pm   #20
DukeAllen
A Real Barner
Points: 42,433, Level: 100
Activity: 99.5%
 
DukeAllen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 37,035
Thanks: 20,029
Thanked 9,186 Times in 4,944 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $10001598
Default

No offense to the serving military members here, but blindly obeying bad orders got us the fun of Hitler's European tour. Frankly I don't know how anyone could serve under the Kenyan CS, and I hope you decide to disobey when he decides to declare martial law and tells you to shoot guys like me and crazy Gene...
DukeAllen is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to DukeAllen For This Useful Post:
Reply

The Vette Barn > Off Topic/Babes/Other > Off Topic


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 6:10pm.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © 2009 - 2024 The Vette Barn


Support the Barn:
 
Download the Mobile App;
 
Follow us on Facebook:

Become a Stall Owner

 

Apple iOS App        Google Android App

 

Visit our Facebook page