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[Craig]

He mis-characterized the payment to Daniels as a legal expense, that’s a misdemeanor in that jurisdiction. The DA should treat it like any other misdemeanor and charge him with that; and get on with the rest of his job.

Trump is loving this (even egging it on). It’s free publicity.

[TheRealBadger]

Originally Posted by Craig

He mis-characterized the payment to Daniels as a legal expense, that’s a misdemeanor in that jurisdiction. The DA should treat it like any other misdemeanor and charge him with that; and get on with the rest of his job.

Trump is loving this (even egging it on). It’s free publicity.

That is not the claim being made at all and the timing of it is not about mis characterization.

Whether he gets charged or even is illegal, I don’t know, but this is about a payment being made that could have had an impact on the election. That’s a felony.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Craig

He mis-characterized the payment to Daniels as a legal expense, that’s a misdemeanor in that jurisdiction. The DA should treat it like any other misdemeanor and charge him with that; and get on with the rest of his job.

Trump is loving this (even egging it on). It’s free publicity.

The DA can't charge it as a misdemeanor, the statute of limitations has run out.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by TheRealBadger

Lieing about the payment is what is under investigation. Cheating is not what’s under investigation. The NDA or the terms of it are not what is under investigation.

Why and when the payment was made, and who knew about it, is what is under investigation.

I understood that the only possible crime here is that campaign funds might have been used for the payoff. Because as others have stated, I can't see anything illegal about a non disclosure agreement. Those happen all the time. Even governments do it, pay citizens who have been wronged under the condition of secrecy, that the citizens who got paid keep quiet about the payoff. Now THAT should be criminal, citizens should be able to know what their tax money was spent on, who got it, how much, and why. But that's apparently perfectly legal.

And as we have seen from recent history, campaign finance laws are very strict, and apparently hard to NOT run afoul of. It seems like every president or candidate in recent years has had their hands slapped for that, and paid fines for that.

[Taurus]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

I understood that the only possible crime here is that campaign funds might have been used for the payoff. Because as others have stated, I can't see anything illegal about a non disclosure agreement. Those happen all the time. Even governments do it, pay citizens who have been wronged under the condition of secrecy, that the citizens who got paid keep quiet about the payoff. Now THAT should be criminal, citizens should be able to know what their tax money was spent on, who got it, how much, and why. But that's apparently perfectly legal.

And as we have seen from recent history, campaign finance laws are very strict, and apparently hard to NOT run afoul of. It seems like every president or candidate in recent years has had their hands slapped for that, and paid fines for that.

Exactly, way too much gray area. His problems, if any, will come from the DOJ, FBI or the state of GA, not the NY DA in my opinion.

[DJ_Critterus]

Originally Posted by Taurus

True, for Trump money is to be used to cover up having had sex.

But it wasn't a problem for you when Clinton did it?

[Taurus]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

But it wasn't a problem for you when Clinton did it?

It was a huge problem for me when Clinton did it. When he shook his finger at me on TV and said he did not have relations with that woman was no different and anyone that felt outrage at that should feel the same way about this no matter your party affiliation.

[TheRealBadger]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

I understood that the only possible crime here is that campaign funds might have been used for the payoff. Because as others have stated, I can't see anything illegal about a non disclosure agreement. Those happen all the time. Even governments do it, pay citizens who have been wronged under the condition of secrecy, that the citizens who got paid keep quiet about the payoff. Now THAT should be criminal, citizens should be able to know what their tax money was spent on, who got it, how much, and why. But that's apparently perfectly legal.

And as we have seen from recent history, campaign finance laws are very strict, and apparently hard to NOT run afoul of. It seems like every president or candidate in recent years has had their hands slapped for that, and paid fines for that.

It has nothing to do with campaign funds per se. Where the funds came from is not relevant to the base charge.

Breaking an NDA is not criminal in most cases. It is a contract. It is a civil issue.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

The DA can't charge it as a misdemeanor, the statute of limitations has run out.

Exactly.

[LATB]

In the end, Fat Albert is doing this for his own political aspirations. In his part of the world it gives him political cred…with or without a conviction. Even if it’s thrown out or overturned, he can stump on “I’m the only prosecutor who indicted Trump…vote for me”

And elected prosecutors is another problem in of itself.

[Taurus]

Originally Posted by LATB

In the end, Fat Albert is doing this for his own political aspirations. In his part of the world it gives him political cred…with or without a conviction. Even if it’s thrown out or overturned, he can stump on “I’m the only prosecutor who indicted Trump…vote for me”

And elected prosecutors is another problem in of itself.

It does have that appearance.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by TheRealBadger

It has nothing to do with campaign funds per se. Where the funds came from is not relevant to the base charge.

Breaking an NDA is not criminal in most cases. It is a contract. It is a civil issue.

I don't understand. 1st, breaking the NDA is a civil tort, not a criminal action, and second.....who broke the NDA? Why would Trump want to break it and announce yes, he paid off a porno actress? It begs belief and credulity. Stormy apparently broke the agreement, even, as I recall, went on a media tour with fawning late night hosts to intimate that she ****ed Trump and got paid on the back end. Tee hee, maybe I did, maybe I didn't, but please, keep interviewing me!

Trump would have ZERO reason to break the NDA, Stormy, like the Kavanaugh accusers, had lots of reasons, monetary, as well as for the adulation of leftist America. We know one of the Kavanaugh accusers, the one with 'beach friends,' who couldn't even prove she'd met Kav, got a million dollar Gofundme payola, several awards from leftist groups, and it would be interesting to go over her finances to see what else she got as payment for her congressional appearance.

But all this is just interesting discussion. The salient point is, breaking an NDA is civil, not criminal, which is why Trump sued Stormy and won, although she apparently isn't going to pay him. Maybe Trump needs to file a writ of execution so constables can go in and grab her TV, furniture, etc. and auction it off?

[TheRealBadger]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

I don't understand. 1st, breaking the NDA is a civil tort, not a criminal action, and second.....who broke the NDA? Why would Trump want to break it and announce yes, he paid off a porno actress? It begs belief and credulity. Stormy apparently broke the agreement, even, as I recall, went on a media tour with fawning late night hosts to intimate that she ****ed Trump and got paid on the back end. Tee hee, maybe I did, maybe I didn't, but please, keep interviewing me!

Trump would have ZERO reason to break the NDA, Stormy, like the Kavanaugh accusers, had lots of reasons, monetary, as well as for the adulation of leftist America. We know one of the Kavanaugh accusers, the one with 'beach friends,' who couldn't even prove she'd met Kav, got a million dollar Gofundme payola, several awards from leftist groups, and it would be interesting to go over her finances to see what else she got as payment for her congressional appearance.

But all this is just interesting discussion. The salient point is, breaking an NDA is civil, not criminal, which is why Trump sued Stormy and won, although she apparently isn't going to pay him. Maybe Trump needs to file a writ of execution so constables can go in and grab her TV, furniture, etc. and auction it off?

Yep. And the breaking of the NDA, as I said, is civil and has nothing to do with the current potential indictment.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by TheRealBadger

Yep. And the breaking of the NDA, as I said, is civil and has nothing to do with the current potential indictment.

So what is the indictment for, if not for campaign finance violation? That's the only thing that could possibly be criminal in nature here, we all seem to agree on that.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

The DA can't charge it as a misdemeanor, the statute of limitations has run out.

The argument is: Since he couldn't be charged while President, the clock wasn't running during that period. That's never been tested, so a Judge will have to decide that, then another Judge...all the way to the Supreme Court I suspect.

I can't stand Trump, but I think this case is a big waste of time and effort. It's all about a DA that wants to be famous.

[BRUIZER]

The more chicks Trump banged, the more I like him!
He's a guys guy. Progtards and RINO cult worshipers ie girlie-men wouldn't understand. They prefer kid didlers as company.
Thier obsession with who is having sex with who is unhealthy at best. Hence they cannot focus on the message or policies.

It's a sick f'ing world we live in folks.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by BRUIZER

The more chicks Trump banged, the more I like him!
He's a guys guy. Progtards and RINO cult worshipers ie girlie-men wouldn't understand. They prefer kid didlers as company.
Thier obsession with who is having sex with who is unhealthy at best. Hence they cannot focus on the message or policies.

It's a sick f'ing world we live in folks.

I agree.

I don’t GAF about Trump’s sex life and he’s not seeking a position as church pastor. We need a badass DILLIGAF kinda man for the job.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by LATB

I agree.

I don’t GAF about Trump’s sex life and he’s not seeking a position as church pastor. We need a badass DILLIGAF kinda man for the job.

The parallels between Trump and David are real.

~ David defeats Goliath

~David also beds Bathsheba, a married woman, tries unsuccessfully to cover up the sin, then sends her husband, Uriah, to certain death on the front lines


So here God uses a very imperfect man for His own purposes. Again.

[TheRealBadger]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

So what is the indictment for, if not for campaign finance violation? That's the only thing that could possibly be criminal in nature here, we all seem to agree on that.

We all agree on what?

The information on what he might be indicted for is out there.

Payment of funds to influence the election, regardless of where those funds came from, is potentially a felony. Has nothing to do with campaign finance dollars, and NDA, sex, or anything else.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by TheRealBadger

We all agree on what?

The information on what he might be indicted for is out there.

Payment of funds to influence the election, regardless of where those funds came from, is potentially a felony. Has nothing to do with campaign finance dollars, and NDA, sex, or anything else.

Really? Isn't that pretty much what political campaigns do? They pay money to influence the election?