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A gun grabber talking point? You are full of shit. Actors point and shoot weapons with regularity with this type of incident being rare. I guess he shouldn't have gotten a bargain basement armorer. I would imagine everyone from John Wayne to Clint Eastwood had an armorer take care of the weapons to make sure they are safe. They are after all a prop.
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There are clearly multiple people that have negligence here, so someone, somewhere, is going to have to assess comparative negligence and how that factors into both the civil and criminal sides of this case.
Baldwin's liability seems to be, I was just horsing around, assumed the gun wasn't loaded with live ammo, and shot that woman. So some kind of manslaughter case, just as if it was someone showing their barbecue gun off and accidentally shot someone else because they thought the gun was unloaded. |
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Yes the armorer was found guilty, but the big questions is why would they hire a person like this instead of a professional? She's what in her mid 20"s? Baldwin trying to save $$$ on his movie set by hiring incompetent staff?
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I think it was a nepotism hire or something like that
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What a great precedent for a murder defense. "Your honor, my client did not shoot the store owner. He was simply holding the gun with his finger on the trigger when it discharged. Obviously it is the fault of the person that handled the gun before it was given to the person that gave it to my client". |
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Somehow I doubt that there is an actor anywhere that personally loads and clears and verifies every round in prop gun. Quote:
You think that every actor that fired a round in Saving Private Ryan verified each round and cleared it before the shot? Come on guys. I'm as much of an advocate for firearms and firearm safety as you will ever find. I was a small arms instructor in the military for years. As for Saving Private Ryan, I can assure you they did not. A friend of mine was "on the beach" for that opening scene. He has talked about it many times. They handed him a gun and said shoot it over there. He did. They handed him another one. He did again. Funny story, he actually dies 3 times in that movie and fought on both sides. Don't point it at anything? Contrary to all training that has ever happened, that's exactly what happens in movies. They point them at people and pull the trigger. It's safe to say that most actors are not firearms proficient and don't have much, if any training. That is why the process of ensuring safe weapons should be incredibly robust. It is the singular exception that I can think of where realistically the responsibility falls beyond the person holding it. I don't blame Baldwin the actor. I 100% blame Baldwin the producer who was beyond negligent in ensuring that protocols were in place and being followed to ensure safe weapons on set. |
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Not buying it. Real guns mean using real safety measures, NO SHORTCUTS.
I Hope you are not a gun owner. Gun safety, like justice, is NOT SELECTIVE. Actors have NO business pointing their guns at directors and producers who are not in front of the camera in the first place. Baldwin was ****ing around like the petulant little liberal kid he is and he blew that woman away by pointing the gun at her, cocking it all the way, and pulling the trigger. All deliberate. He wanted to scare her with a blank, IMO. (Which at that range, could also have killed her) |
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He was making this movie out of his own pocket so he tried to cut corners wherever possible. He hired some famous armorers coked up, tatted daughter and made her assume multiple responsibilities on the set. The whole thing was being done on a shoestring budget to increase the profits to himself. Frankly, he probably regards that lady's death as more of a nuisance than a tragedy. |
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Funny how anything sounding like that has been scrubbed from the internet now. No matter how you look at it, as an actor or the man in charge of the whole production....Baldwin allowed the situation to happen. Not like a beginner armorer is going to speak out to a veteran star actor who can ( and now has) ruin her. |
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Like you said, there is no way to spin it as not being the responsibility of the guy in charge (who also happened to be the one to pull the trigger) |
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That's pretty much the daily news analysis around here. Assumption was the mother of all fkups that day |
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If you really think that every individual actor verifies every round in every weapon prior to every shot, you are in an idealistic dream world. Not the least of which is that I'm sure that about 99% of actors can't look at a round and identify whether it is a blank or live. There are no shortcuts. The part you are missing is that there alternatives including very simple policies and procedures that can be implemented to ensure safety on set that may not align exactly with what you do as an individual when your buddy hands you a gun. |
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The detail that is being glossed over is Baldwin's insistence that he did not pull the trigger.
Whether the gun is loaded or unloaded is a circumstance all on it's own, that certainly contributed to her death BUT, his claim that he did not pull the trigger is a lie. The gun can be loaded or unloaded and it makes no difference UNTIL you pull the trigger. He pulled the trigger and shot her. Period. The gun should not have been loaded. Period Two distinct issues. |
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Idiot. |
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