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Old 11-05-2017, 5:11pm   #21
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Sad to say, but I'm glad it wasn't a Muslim.
WTF is going on with these mental cases???
Don't bet the ranch on it.....he could have been in touch/convert/lost soul.....

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Don't bet the ranch on it.....he could have been in touch/convert/lost soul.....

tru dat
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Sad to say, but I'm glad it wasn't a Muslim.
WTF is going on with these mental cases???
Based on the past 49 years of history of these nutcase shooter many should have been hospitalized but their families were not allowed to commit them.

It's way past time to l at the involuntary commitment laws and adjust them so the violence prone nutcases can be helped. It will also stop them from getting firearms.
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Based on the past 49 years of history of these nutcase shooter many should have been hospitalized but their families were not allowed to commit them.

It's way past time to l at the involuntary commitment laws and adjust them so the violence prone nutcases can be helped. It will also stop them from getting firearms.
I couldn't agree more...
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Old 11-05-2017, 5:35pm   #25
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CBS News reports:
Suspect is fmr. US Air Force E1
(2010-2014)
He received a dishonorable discharge.
He was court martialed in May 2014.

Dishonorably discharged. That would mean the weapons were either obtained illegally or they belonged to some else, yes?
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CBS News reports:
Suspect is fmr. US Air Force E1
(2010-2014)
He received a dishonorable discharge.
He was court martialed in May 2014.

Dishonorably discharged. That would mean the weapons were either obtained illegally or they belonged to some else, yes?
correct, question 11g would preclude him from lawfully buying a firearm after he was discharged.

https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download
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Based on the past 49 years of history of these nutcase shooter many should have been hospitalized but their families were not allowed to commit them.

It's way past time to l at the involuntary commitment laws and adjust them so the violence prone nutcases can be helped. It will also stop them from getting firearms.
I agree in principle but it’s a fine line again. A bitter ex spouse or relative, neighbor, acquaintance with a grudge claims you are dangerous and now the burden of proof is on you and all your legally owned firearms are confiscated and you are incarcerated in a mental facility. Need to be very careful when talking about that kind of law
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Big story but I'm sure something will displace it in short order. Maybe more from Kevin's Kornhole Klan or maybe Harvey's Whores on Parade.

We as a society are becoming numb to these mass shootings.
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Big story but I'm sure something will displace it in short order. Maybe more from Kevin's Kornhole Klan or maybe Harvey's Whores on Parade.

We as a society are becoming numb to these mass shootings.
Ya, it's pretty numbing to watch.
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I agree in principle but it’s a fine line again. A bitter ex spouse or relative, neighbor, acquaintance with a grudge claims you are dangerous and now the burden of proof is on you and all your legally owned firearms are confiscated and you are incarcerated in a mental facility. Need to be very careful when talking about that kind of law
The fine line needs to allow Due process. In the past you could get hospitalized without it.

Now the government has been trying to take your firearms without the use of Due process.

I want Due process implemented. If your can be proven to be a danger to yourself and others in a court of law where you face your accusers and have the right to fight them and are found incompetent then you get help and lose some rights. But never lose due process.
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The fine line needs to allow Due process. In the past you could get hospitalized without it.

Now the government has been trying to take your firearms without the use of Due process.

I want Due process implemented. If your can be proven to be a danger to yourself and others in a court of law where you face your accusers and have the right to fight them and are found incompetent then you get help and lose some rights. But never lose due process.
Once again, I agree 100% in principle
Just need to make sure that there are adequate safeguards in place to ensure due process is followed. Our government does not exactly have a stellar track record in this area
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Once again, I agree 100% in principle
Just need to make sure that there are adequate safeguards in place to ensure due process is followed. Our government does not exactly have a stellar track record in this area


And that's why we must always lean towards LESS government whenever we can.

Dangerous freedom is better than safe tyranny.
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Texas church shooting: at least 26 dead - CNN

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Without naming Kelley, Martin described the shooter in Sunday's press conference as a young white male who was dressed in all-black "tactical-type gear" and wearing a ballistic vest.

Martin said the suspect was seen in a Valero gas station across the street from the church in Sutherland Springs at about 11:20 a.m. local time on Sunday morning.

The suspect left the gas station, crossed the street, exited his vehicle and began firing before he entered the church, Martin said.
As the suspected shooter left the church, a local resident used their own rifle to engage him, Martin said. The shooter then fled the church, while the citizen pursued him.

After a brief chase, law enforcement later found the suspect dead of a gunshot wound inside his vehicle. Authorities said they don't know if the wound was self-inflicted or the result of the resident who fired on the suspect, Martin said.

The shooter was killed after a brief chase north into neighboring Guadalupe County, Guadalupe County Sheriff's Office spokesman Robert Murphy said earlier on Sunday.
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CBS News reports:
Suspect is fmr. US Air Force E1
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He received a dishonorable discharge.
He was court martialed in May 2014.

Dishonorably discharged. That would mean the weapons were either obtained illegally or they belonged to some else, yes?
I'm not reading every post, so this may be here already, but he got a court martial for beating his wife and kid. His weapon was obtained illegally.
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Latest I’ve seen is that the armed citizen fired, hitting the shooter in the side, between the body armor. The shooter dropped his rifle, and with a hostage, drove off. A guy just driving up got the armed citizen and chased the shooter down at high speed. The shooter lost control and ran off the road. The guys persuing him had been relaying their position to the police. They supposedly covered the shooter while allowing the hostage to get out of the vehicle. Cops showed up and shooter was dead already. Probably from blood loss from his wounds.
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I'm not reading every post, so this may be here already, but he got a court martial for beating his wife and kid. His weapon was obtained illegally.
Uwww. The gun shop where he bought the gun "legally" is in trouble......
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Uwww. The gun shop where he bought the gun "legally" is in trouble......
If he bought it from a gun store.

Also since he was unable to legally own a firearm why did no one report his FB post? Someone had to know he was not allowed to own a firearm.
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