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Old 09-06-2017, 05:32pm   #1
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Default We shouldn't deport illegal aliens...

because it's unfair to punish them for what their parents did?

But I'm on the hook for slavery and Jim Crow because of the actions of long-dead people totally unrelated to me.

Got it.
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Legalize the Dreamers, just as soon as they prove that their illegal alien parents who broke the law by bringing them here have left the country for good. Prevent them from daisy chaining those same parents and relatives back into the US.

Also, I'll need to see a COMPLETED border wall, end of birthright citizenship for children born here to foreigners, mandatory e-verify, and vastly increased resources for deportation, as well as a complete elimination of sanctuary cities.

If Congress isn't willing to do that, then send the Dreamers home, to make their own countries great.
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I guess you missed the part where they aren't eligible for a shitload of benefits, they have to pay to be in the program, they have to go through school / maintain a job, they have to maintain a clean record, and a huge majority of them are already in line to become citizens.

But yeah, all that stuff you said.
I'm not talking about DACA, I'm talking about the end goal, which is getting them citizenship, and I think Trump is OK with that. I think the majority of Americans are OK with that, but this go-round, the people want to know that this is the last time illegal immigration has to be hashed out, that there won't be hordes of new illegals sneaking in and we won't be having this same conversation in another 30 years.

....which is why I mentioned all that stuff.
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...which has nothing to do with the current DACA situation?
I think what he is trying to say is that DACA is essentially putting the cart before the horse...
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...which has nothing to do with the current DACA situation?
Which has everything to do with the current DACA situation. Trump is forcing Congress to start doing its job, and holding a fairly sympathetic group hostage to do so. DACA was set to sunset all on its own anyway, without Trump lifting a finger. Trump gave the patently unconstitutional program another 6 months to wrap up.

Trump asked nicely. Now he's using extortion to get Congress to bend the knee on the border wall, outlawing sanctuary cities, and all other things illegal immigration related. Finally, middle class nobody, member of no special interest victim group Bill, has someone fighting for the things he wants.

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Sounds like a great reason to fvck over nearly a million people that are heavily invested in becoming citizens.

Good plan.
Heavily invested my ass. The heavily invested folks would have left the country and applied to come back legally. The rest of the ****s are stealing social security number (identity theft) or working under the table (tax evasion) and are criminals and should be treated as such. Any employer caught with employees they know are using illegal social security numbers, or are paying employees under the table should be fined to the brink of going out of business, they're stealing from all of us when they do that.

Do I think we should make it easier for hard working immigrants to come to get country and work? Yup, but that doesn't mean they can simply ignore the laws as they are written today.

Do I think we should raise or eliminate the speed limit on most highways? Yes, but that doesn't mean I can Double the posted speed limit without being arrested.
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Sounds like a great reason to fvck over nearly a million people that are heavily invested in becoming citizens.

Good plan.
OK, so where do you draw the line on the people that BROKE THE LAW TO GET INTO THE COUNTRY?

It's a big kick in the teeth to the folks that are doing it LEGALLY to get into our country to allow "line jumpers" an easy pass.

There are laws in this country and we don't get to pick and choose which ones we would like to obey. ( without concern of repercussions )
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Sounds like a great reason to fvck over nearly a million people that are heavily invested in becoming citizens.

Good plan.
Ah, but there's the rub. Trump is screwing no one. Trump is restoring the rule of law by phasing out the fiction of an unconstitutional edict, so he has the law on his side, and if Congress fails to act, that's on Congress, not on Trump, and not even on the deplorables that voted for Trump. Blame Obama for getting the Dreamers' hopes up in the first place.

You want this thing? How much do you want it? If Congress doesn't permanently fix immigration this time, I guess they (and by extension, all the people that voted for those Congress critters) didn't want it as much as you did. If this doesn't get done, there will be blame enough for all to go around.....not the least of which will be to the illegal alien parents who brought them here in the first place. People act like these folks accidentally got caught on the wrong side of the border through absolutely no fault of their own. No. They gambled that breaking the law would work out for them, and thus far, it has.
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OK, so where do you draw the line on the people that BROKE THE LAW TO GET INTO THE COUNTRY?

It's a big kick in the teeth to the folks that are doing it LEGALLY to get into our country to allow "line jumpers" an easy pass.

There are laws in this country and we don't get to pick and choose which ones we would like to obey. ( without concern of repercussions )
Talk about an inconvenient truth....
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Sounds like a great reason to fvck over nearly a million people that are heavily invested in becoming citizens.

Good plan.
Sucks to be them.

They knew this day would come, yet did nothing to help their cause.

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Sucks to be them.

They knew this day would come, yet did nothing to help their cause.

Huh? All that protesting didn't help?

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Huh? All that protesting didn't help?

Such fine upstanding "wanna be" citizens

Actions have consequences and it's not a good idea to aggravate the gate keeper.
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Miss the point much? This is about people who were brought here by their parents with no control of their own. You clearly have no idea what the program in question required of its participants.
Uhh the requirment was that theyre you were under 31 and had been here since before you were 16.

So am i to assume the dreamers were all indigents, never drove a car (with no license and no insurance) never had a job, and never contributed what so ever to the society that youre trying to claim they are so "heavily invested" in? Cause if they did any of the above, they are criminals, by their own actions, NOT their parents.

I get it i get it, you want to pretend that were just talking about innocent kids that have peacefully existed in the country for years.

The problem, is those kids have been here for years skirting and breaking laws, as well as consuming resources that have been funded by hard working legal residence.

its not fair to give the "dreamers" a leg up over those that chose to do everything by the letter of the law. The dreamers need to go, as in leave the country, pay back the resources they consumed (public schools and more) pay a fine, yes punitive, amd reapply for entry.
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You clearly don't know anyone who has gone through the immigration process.
This is actually complete nonsense, because I most certainly do. And every single one of them that I know is

COMPLETELY PISSED

About what is going on with immigration in this country.


FWIW, these people are Russian, Filipino and Chinese respectively.


My wife just hired a LEGAL immigrant from the Czech Republic also, I don't know her politics, but at least she is LEGAL. (Green Card, etc)

How would you feel if you busted your ass to be a legal citizen only to have some leach get away with whatever they wanted?
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You're lumping these folks into a group that they cannot possibly belong to. All DACA members are required to keep a clean criminal record and don't have access to many of the resources this country has to offer.
And that's where you're not seeing the whole picture. I didn't say these folks had been arrested for caught breaking the law. I simply said the only way they functioned in society at all was by breaking the law willfully. All of these dreamers are over 16 (had to be to apply) are none of them working? Driving? Contributing to their family?

The only benefit I've mentioned has been public schools, and either these kids were in public school. Public school alone is a massive burden on the local authorities and schools.

Not to mention (slight assumption here) they probably wound up in the hospital a time or two as they likely don't have health insurance. I have a pretty good feeling they didn't pay much if anything for those services received.

My point is, however innocent you try to paint these dreamers they know they're here illegally and have had to break laws as a result. Simply by being here they're showing complete disregard for our system of laws. Regardless if they have a record or not.
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Did you miss the point where these are contributing members of society? Many of them with college degrees and decently paying jobs?




I guess that's where we have a hard stop. I don't agree with deportation of minors. I also don't agree with deportation of those who have done everything they can to maintain some semblance of a normal life in a situation they had no control over..
In one statement you say most are contributing members of society, and the other you say they're minors.

Waco, my entire point is they're functioning in society. The point is they aren't functioning/contributing anything without breaking laws. If they're working or even likely getting loans they had to use fake social security numbers. If they're driving unless in California (and that's only recently) they don't have a legal drivers license. That's my whole point of this, you have adults who have made their own choice to break or continue to break the laws of our country.
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They started as minors. Do you expect them to return to a country they may never have known?

All of the DACA members are registered and aren't breaking laws. You're clearly a bit ignorant on the rules, so here's a quick refresher on the driver's license aspect of it: https://www.nilc.org/issues/drivers-...vers-licenses/

Short version? Only two states barred them from getting their legal drivers licenses.
No no no no that's only after they got granted Obamas Daca status. I'm arguing they're not entitled to any status or special privilege in the first place.

DACAs only been around a few years, what were these folks doing before daca. ....breaking the law.
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Miss the point much? This is about people who were brought here by their parents with no control of their own. You clearly have no idea what the program in question required of its participants.


Yeah, those poor kids who've known no other country other than the US. Those poor kids who have jumped through every hoop required to stay here legally. Fvck them, they should go back to where they came from.




You're showing your ignorance here.

DACA members have literally done everything possible to become US citizens including getting on a nearly 10 year waiting list. What the fvck do you expect them to do besides that?

Throw money at it? They have.
Stay in school / get a job? They have.
Keep a clean record? They have.


Why the hell is there some blind spot where you want to persecute those who have literally followed every single rule required of them?
Bullshit, 70+% of them are druggers....in a gang or jails at our expense....

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Sources for this random claim? Please remind yourself that nobody with *any* kind of criminal record is eligible for DACA.
Having a D/L is just a damn joke in this nation, even here in Florida they get by with even murder on the roads, and the .gov will NOT investigate them one damn bit....cops refuse to do anything, no investigations, NOTHING.....

let a member of your family get hit and hospital and the illegals walk every effing time......hit and run, crews full of illegals that speak NO ENGLISH.....right there you know they not citizens, period end of conversation on that topic.....

get rear ended by someone with little to no coverage....get slammed by someone hit and run, friggin' illegal bitch with 3 kids in the car take your truck out and walk away, I wish the entire group in their car was killed at least we not be paying their .gov checks every damn month.....

Nah, I had it with this illegal shit here, up to me, I"d shoot every one of them without batting an eye.....dead serious.....

they are nothing but an invading army, sponsored by communists...and we know who they mascaraed as.....let alone any from islam.....
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