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Old 09-19-2019, 02:41pm   #21
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As for Iran the US caused the problem by helping to form one of the most brutal secret police force in history.

"The SAVAK was the Shah of Iran’s secret police force from 1957 until the Iranian Revolution in 1979. Trained in part by the CIA, SAVAK was an extremely repressive police force in a society that dealt with dissidents swiftly. Known to torture its victims with methods including electric shock, removal of teeth and finger nails, as well as boiling water treatment, SAVAK spent the majority of its resources weeding out and torturing either the Shia or communist opponents to the Shah’s rule. While executions were not as widespread as other secret police forces, torture was a matter of course, with many political prisoners left in solitary confinement for lengthy periods of time, deprived of sleep and burned, either by cigarette, grills or even acid. After the revolution in Iran in 1979, SAVAK was nominally disbanded, and a new Iranian secret police force, SAVAMA, as largely feared as its predecessor, took over. While SAVAMA was a new police force in name, many historians argue that SAVAMA was merely an extension of its predecessor, maintaining the same methods as before."

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Our failure with Iran started in 1979 when we failed to carper bomb them around the clock after they took our embassy personnel captive.

And whenever these scumbags got caught being behind attacks like the Marine in Lebanon up to the bounties offered for dead Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq we emboldened them.

Add in that if global oil prices spike the probability of a global economic slowdown or recession grows exponentially.

This is what happens when you do not come down hard on fanatical behavior when it first raises it ugly head.
Once again that spineless peanut farmer is still screwing us decades later.
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As for Iran the US caused the problem by helping to form one of the most brutal secret police force in history.

"The SAVAK was the Shah of Iran’s secret police force from 1957 until the Iranian Revolution in 1979. Trained in part by the CIA, SAVAK was an extremely repressive police force in a society that dealt with dissidents swiftly. Known to torture its victims with methods including electric shock, removal of teeth and finger nails, as well as boiling water treatment, SAVAK spent the majority of its resources weeding out and torturing either the Shia or communist opponents to the Shah’s rule. While executions were not as widespread as other secret police forces, torture was a matter of course, with many political prisoners left in solitary confinement for lengthy periods of time, deprived of sleep and burned, either by cigarette, grills or even acid. After the revolution in Iran in 1979, SAVAK was nominally disbanded, and a new Iranian secret police force, SAVAMA, as largely feared as its predecessor, took over. While SAVAMA was a new police force in name, many historians argue that SAVAMA was merely an extension of its predecessor, maintaining the same methods as before."

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Please also point out that Iran was a close
Partner with Germany up to an including Nazi Germany. Their partnership with them brought about our interference.

Actions have consequences.
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Old 09-20-2019, 04:54am   #24
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Please also point out that Iran was a close
Partner with Germany up to an including Nazi Germany. Their partnership with them brought about our interference.

Actions have consequences.
As for the Iran/Germany tie in WWII;

"n the midst of World War II, in 1941, Nazi Germany began the so-called Operation Barbarossa and invaded the Soviet Union, breaking the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. This had a major impact on Iran, which had declared neutrality in the conflicts.[155] Later that year, following an Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran, Reza Shah was forced to abdicate in favor of his son, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.[156][157] Subsequently, Iran became a major conduit for British and American aid to the Soviet Union, until the end of the ongoing war"

The American interference in the 50's in Iran and it's elected government;

"In 1951, Mohammad Mosaddegh was appointed as the Prime Minister. He became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's petroleum industry and oil reserves. He was deposed in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, an Anglo-American covert operation that marked the first time the United States had participated in the overthrow of a foreign government during the Cold War."

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Operation Ajax.

When it comes to Iran, we did this to ourselves.
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Operation Ajax.

When it comes to Iran, we did this to ourselves.
Thank you.

More info on Operation Ajax below.

"In August of 1953, the United States’ Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) executed a coup against Mohammad Mossadegh’s democratic government in Iran. The CIA code name given to this coup d’état was Operation Ajax. Operation Ajax remains important in world history because it is often believed to be the initial cause of anti-Western sentiment in the Islamic Republic of Iran."

"It is debated by numerous scholars from around the world if Operation Ajax and the restoration of the unpopular Reza Shah to power, was the beginning of ill feelings towards the US in Iran and led to the Iranian Hostage Crisis in which 52 hostages were held inside the U.S. Embassy in Tehran for 444 days. The aftermath of Operation Ajax is also believed to be the roots of the Iranian Revolution in which, Reza Shah went into exile and the anti-Western Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini rose to power."

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Yes and no. An actual direct war, vs. the proxy war Iran and S.A. are currently fighting in Yemen, would solidify the Iranian government, and galvanize their people behind the government, which is what the mullahs obviously want.

If S.A. is to retaliate, it needs to be more of a tit-for-tat strike, maybe hitting Iran's missile and drone capability? A full scale war is not good for us, for the rest of the world, not good for S.A. and not good for the Iranian people, a significant portion of which might prefer not to live under an Islamic theocracy.
I think you are spot on.
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Operation Ajax.

When it comes to Iran, we did this to ourselves.
And you would be right too....
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On PBS News last night, Fri 9-20-19, it was mentioned that SA is 5th in the world in defense spending and yet they can't defend themselves.

The USA is sending anti-missile defense batteries, has US Navy ship defending the SA coast and is thinking of sending a few thousand troops.

Read the Norman Schwarzkopf Jr. book a few years ago. I was surprised to learn that on the eve of the coalition advance against the Iraq's, the King of SA wanted didn't want his troops to invade. He claimed Arabs don't attack Arabs.

Schwarzkopf convinced him to use his troops to liberate Kuwait.

Read the SA has a strong AF but small Army. I guess a large Army would make the 6,000 Princes who control the country nervous. He who controls the Army, controls the country.
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Just put up a “no drone” sign. That should work
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