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Old 10-23-2018, 09:58am   #21
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Can't let them all in and should not let everyone in that walks up to the border.

But for this situation, it is different, it is political and those people are being used as pawns by our own government as well as their own nations.

Open the doors, let them in, and close it securely after they are all inside.
Do you understand that if we did what you suggest, this would be repeated an infinite number of times?

At about monthly intervals?

I ask you again, how many would you allow to enter like this?

Because it's not going to end with this one.


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Do you understand that if we did what you suggest, this would be repeated an infinite number of times?

At about monthly intervals?

I ask you again, how many would you allow to enter like this?

Because it's not going to end with this one.


But it can end with this one....get some documents ready that allow these immigrants to enter but only under the condition that they are allowed to enter if both political parties agree that our border must be secured by whatever means necessary. Additionally, agree that the current immigration system is flawed and must be fixed until which time we must put a halt on new immigration until which time all current applicants and petitions have been processed and completed. Once that is done, a new system for more efficient and faster processing of those seeking to migrate here would be in place and open to new applicants.

Don't forget, I am currently in the "queue" for my wife and son an we get letters about every 3-6months telling us that their papers are "processing" although they have been here since June 2015. The system is broken man...
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My bet is 90% of these people coming (parents) are coming to make a better life for their children and families by finding a job. They will be productive individuals if we allow them to do so.
Well, there is one 90% figure that is true. They are 90% military-aged males between the ages of 18 and 35. The only women and children present are the ones you see pushed to the forefront for media exposure. Look at any group picture and you'll see that's the case. As they add Mexicans to their group that may change but the El Salvadorans, Hondurans, and Guatemalans are definitely skewed that way. You have MS-13 gang bangers, Bangladeshi ISIS types, and who knows what else.

Trump isn't going to let them in. They are being bused, trucked, and shipped by rail to the border. It would take them months to walk 2000 miles, and the only time you see them walking is, again, for media exposure. You are falling for it I think. They want you to think that their arrival is inevitable, and that it would be horrible to not let them in.

Not. Going. To. Happen. Not under this president. At some point you have to draw the line in the sand. What do you call a hoard military-aged males carrying the flags of other nations, seen burning and defacing your flag, who insist on crossing into your country completely uninvited? It's an invasion. Military will take care of this. Same thing happened to Hungary, guess what? Taken care of. You build a temporary fence where needed quickly, with barbed wire (lots of it) and anyone who makes it over is immediately returned to the other side 20+ miles back. Rinse and repeat as necessary until more permanent structures can be built.

All these people are accomplishing is this: Guarantee the wall will be built faster than ever and the blue wave becomes a sad blue trickle.
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Well, there is one 90% figure that is true. They are 90% military-aged males between the ages of 18 and 35. The only women and children present are the ones you see pushed to the forefront for media exposure. Look at any group picture and you'll see that's the case. As they add Mexicans to their group that may change but the El Salvadorans, Hondurans, and Guatemalans are definitely skewed that way. You have MS-13 gang bangers, Bangladeshi ISIS types, and who knows what else.

Trump isn't going to let them in. They are being bused, trucked, and shipped by rail to the border. It would take them months to walk 2000 miles, and the only time you see them walking is, again, for media exposure. You are falling for it I think. They want you to think that their arrival is inevitable, and that it would be horrible to not let them in.

Not. Going. To. Happen. Not under this president. At some point you have to draw the line in the sand. What do you call a hoard military-aged males carrying the flags of other nations, seen burning and defacing your flag, who insist on crossing into your country completely uninvited? It's an invasion. Military will take care of this. Same thing happened to Hungary, guess what? Taken care of. You build a temporary fence where needed quickly, with barbed wire (lots of it) and anyone who makes it over is immediately returned to the other side 20+ miles back. Rinse and repeat as necessary until more permanent structures can be built.

All these people are accomplishing is this: Guarantee the wall will be built faster than ever and the blue wave becomes a sad blue trickle.
This. I was attempting to make this point (bolded) in the this/other thread(s) I posted in...mostly as an experiment to see how long it takes for this 'caravan' to arrive at our border so the media can stoke the flames of this organized and well funded 'crisis'.

By my calculations yesterday, simple math mind you, it will take approximately 60 days (25 miles per day and I was being generous) to arrive at the closest entry point on our Southern border.

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How about they come in the right way, LEGALLY, through the front door, instead of cutting in line ahead of all the others pursuing legal immigration?


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Considering the cost and amount of time it takes....

You ever heard the saying "it is easier to ask forgiveness than permission?"

So it's acceptable to break whatever law you want if you can twist it up in your own mind to be "a good reason" ?

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Can't let them all in and should not let everyone in that walks up to the border.

But for this situation, it is different, it is political and those people are being used as pawns by our own government as well as their own nations.

Open the doors, let them in, and close it securely after they are all inside.
How 'bout they just follow the current laws since we're already OVERFLOWING with illegal immigrants.

I welcome immigrants who come here legally. Those that break the law to get here are CRIMINALS. They should forfeit anything thing of value they got here and get sent back to their country of origin.

The law should also be changed that a person entering the USA illegally is a felon. That in itself would bar them from ever being able to immigrate here.

Actions have consequences and we should NOT reward those who break the law.
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**** ‘em. Shoot ‘em all.
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But for this situation, it is different, it is political and those people are being used as pawns by our own government as well as their own nations.
I agree. All the more reason NOT to allow them in.
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**** ‘em. Shoot ‘em all.
Same thing a good friend of mine said.
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**** ‘em. Shoot ‘em all.
There’s got to be a more efficient way to do this this doesn’t there? Chemical weapons? Bulldozer? Dodge Challenger?
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Open the doors, let them in, and close it securely after they are all inside.
Yeah, ok. Sure.

That’s what we say every time we pass large scale amnesty for anyone. But sure, let’s do it again. This will be the last time we do it...for real this time. No more after this...and we’re not kidding this time. Pinky promise.

Nope. Sorry. Send them back. Our charity can only go so far before we are stretched so thinly that we can’t take care of our own. It’s already happening.

Also, I take offense to the flagrant disregard for our right to make and uphold our own laws and borders. Marching and demanding to be let in? Especially when they’re marching here...carrying the Honduran flag. Oh...and also burning American flags in front of the American embassy in Tegucigalpa. All the while, they have no issue with accepting our foreign aid.

You think the US is so great and is the answer to your prayers? How about lead the caravan with the American flag? At a time when you’re asking us to throw out our immigration laws and welcome you with open arms, you can’t even give us at least that small gesture of respect?

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Rob, your logic is like the people of Alabama being so pissed about Judge Roy Moore that they vote for a third party candidate that has no hope of getting elected ... thus allowing a progressive liberal to sail into a key Senate seat.


"Hey, this immigration system is broken! I'll just shoot myself in the foot.

THAT'LL show 'em!"




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There’s got to be a more efficient way to do this this doesn’t there? Chemical weapons? Bulldozer? Dodge Challenger?
An A-10 would be my weapon of choice, but I’m not a pilot. I can shoot like a mofo though.

Would love to see a caravan of patriots head towards our southern border.
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Rob, your logic is like the people of Alabama being so pissed about Judge Roy Moore that they vote for a third party candidate that has no hope of getting elected ... thus allowing a progressive liberal to sail into a key Senate seat.


"Hey, this immigration system is broken! I'll just shoot myself in the foot.

THAT'LL show 'em!"




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This has been going on way to long there is a right way and a wrong way. It took two years and schooling and a chunk of money to get my sons wife here.
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This has been going on way to long there is a right way and a wrong way. It took two years and schooling and a chunk of money to get my sons wife here.
You are right but it should not take so long and should not cost a bunch of money.
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You are right but it should not take so long and should not cost a bunch of money.
You are dealing with two governments.
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There’s got to be a more efficient way to do this this doesn’t there? Chemical weapons? Bulldozer? Dodge Challenger?
Tell all the Texas Mustang owners there's a huge car show south of the border.
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1) If they show up at a port of entry and ask for asylum, just what law is it that they are breaking?


2) They come from a shithole with a murder rate exponentially greater than the worst places in the US. Wouldn't take too much to get me to come along if I thought my family could actually live without the fear of being robbed or shot for looking at someone the wrong way.


3) This has happened several times that I can remember over the last few years. There was a caravan last year. Remember the "caravan of kids" during the Obama years? That happened more than one year as well...back around 2014, 2015?


They're coming, we know they're coming, and the .gov should (and probably do) have a plan on how to handle them when they get here. A plan that doesn't include strafing them with A-10s for fuks sake.
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This is why the left want them here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy
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Just like many problems in the world. The U.S stuck their nose and greed in it.
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1) If they show up at a port of entry and ask for asylum, just what law is it that they are breaking?

They are doing it (intentionally) in numbers that they know will overwhelm the system. They will be on American soil and knowing we can't keep, house, feed, legally advise, etc. all of them in a timely manner, they will be simply let go with a promise to appear to deal with the situation at a later date that they will never honor. They will simply disappear into the country.

2) They come from a shithole with a murder rate exponentially greater than the worst places in the US. Wouldn't take too much to get me to come along if I thought my family could actually live without the fear of being robbed or shot for looking at someone the wrong way.

NONE of the problems in your country are our fault. That means that we have NO any obligation whatsoever to let you in and take care of you with all of our benefits, which a large number are sure to do. By the way, try invading any other country, demanding they take you in like these guys are trying to do with us and let us know how it works out.

3) This has happened several times that I can remember over the last few years. There was a caravan last year. Remember the "caravan of kids" during the Obama years? That happened more than one year as well...back around 2014, 2015?

... which is precisely why we can't allow this to succeed. It will become, if it hasn't already, a new model for doing the business of shipping in however many completely unvetted groups of people the democrats wish, at any time.

They're coming, we know they're coming, and the .gov should (and probably do) have a plan on how to handle them when they get here. A plan that doesn't include strafing them with A-10s for fuks sake.
Anything that keeps them out is ok with me. And unlike you, I and a hell of a lot of other Americans am not ruling any method or methods out.

How would Putin handle something like this? Probably with something resembling the A-10 approach, which is why we don't seem to see this attempted with Russia.

How would Hungary handle this? In the manner they already have demonstrated: razor wire, machine guns and signs that state that if an invader even comes close enough to touch the wire, they are already in a position in which deadly force can and will be used against them. To date they have admitted ZERO "refugees" from shithole countries.

It's time we got serious and handle this as a threat, because that's exactly what it is. Trying to treat this SOLELY like some humanitarian issue is a complete crock of bullshit cooked up by the loony left to try to persuade some people who are easily distracted from other real issues by emotional canards. And people like you are regurgitating it on social media platforms everywhere, even a random car forum. Congrats on carrying out this propaganda. I also notice that while you have covered the humanitarian issue you haven't even mentioned the other issues, like the Rule Of Law in this country, both national and local security aspects of bringing in vast numbers completely unknown people, health concerns, human trafficking of children by unrelated parties using the kids to bypass legal immigration process, etc. etc. etc.
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