Dear Vegans,

[MrPeabody]

If you want to save the animals, stop eating their food.

[JRD77VET]

Originally Posted by MrPeabody

If you want to save the animals, stop eating their food.

Quoted for truth ( and ammo )

[Sea Six]

Win!

[04 commemorative]

Daughter came to visit with a friend who is vegan.....what a pain in the ass....if you eat like that bring your own food and don't sit here telling me how cruel animals are slaughtered .....I don't care ......I LIKE FREAKEN MEAT AND FISH & EGGS !
I finally told her...I LIKE BEING AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN !

[Antfarmer2]

What are these cruel animals that you eat up there?

[mrvette]

My daughter/hubby/g-son (unfortunately) are vegans......worst food cuisine I ever tasted, by FAR, trip to see them for a week when g/s was brand new took about one meal and I was sick the entire week+++ only relief was eating out and get a GOOD hamburger.......not some concocted up whatEVER......

She brought g/s down here last August, and bought their own food, left enough behind, it sat for weeks and we finally tossed much of it.....some was not so bad when combined with a pork roast or side of beef though......

[Mike Mercury]

[Stevedore]

It's funny to laugh & joke about, but it's hard to argue with the health benefits of a vegan diet.

My wife has been a hardcore vegan for a long time, & I'm about 99.9%. (No meat, but an occasional piece of cheese) Since we made the switch, we both lost weight, got off all prescription meds that we had been on for years, got better blood test results than any other time in our adult lives, and generally feel better all around.

For us, the benefits are clear. Will we live longer because of it? Who knows! I'm 72; wife is a few years behind me.

[04 commemorative]

Originally Posted by Antfarmer2

What are these cruel animals that you eat up there?

We have very angry chickens

[simpleman68]

Originally Posted by Stevedore

It's funny to laugh & joke about, but it's hard to argue with the health benefits of a vegan diet.

My wife has been a hardcore vegan for a long time, & I'm about 99.9%. (No meat, but an occasional piece of cheese) Since we made the switch, we both lost weight, got off all prescription meds that we had been on for years, got better blood test results than any other time in our adult lives, and generally feel better all around.

For us, the benefits are clear. Will we live longer because of it? Who knows! I'm 72; wife is a few years behind me.

I'd agree with you that we eat too much red meat, and often too much meat as a percentage of our diets.

One major point of contention is what kind of meats were you eating before going vegan and how much? (quantity per meal as well as % of total diet)

Most folks don't find truly hormone free, grass fed beef, free range chickens etc.
The USDA has very loose standards even on fish "farms" and most of them do not have very good quality control and fish are overpopulated and eat their own poo.
Then you have Fukushima fish from the Pacific, Atlantic isn't much better....

There is a WORLD of difference between locally sourced farm raised meat and the packaged stuff at grocery stores that says "hormone free" that are often still shot up with chemicals that occur naturally to prevent disease, worms etc.

The old vegan is healthier argument is not very scientific given the control group.
Most people that think they eat fairly well do not. And I won't even get into the night shade vegetables, prescription bleed into feed supplies etc.

Scott
25 years in the organic/imported foods industry and may have slept at a Holiday Inn as of late

[Stevedore]

Originally Posted by simpleman68

I'd agree with you that we eat too much red meat, and often too much meat as a percentage of our diets.

One major point of contention is what kind of meats were you eating before going vegan and how much? (quantity per meal as well as % of total diet)........

.......The old vegan is healthier argument is not very scientific given the control group.

Before switching to vegetarian, later vegan, we had a fairly equal blend of red meat, poultry, & fish. How much per meal? I don't know, never really kept track. Probably too much! We gradually, over a few years, eliminated all of the above. I still ate cheese & other dairy products for a while, but my wife did not.

With regard to the health aspect, I've paid particular attention to the apparent connection between casein (found in dairy products ) & cancer. I've read of a study wherein the researchers could turn tumors on & off by the addition or removal of casein in the diets of lab rats. One Interesting Link

Many of my contemporaries have been touched by cancer, cardiac issues, etc., that I have not been troubled with. There are no guarantees in any of this, but I just feel that I should research & do what I can. If I live to be 100, who can say whether my diet played a part in that? We always read of people who smoked, drank, ate steak, etc., every day of their lives, & still lived to an old age. Who knows!?

I'd ask any of the meat/dairy eaters here in their 60's or 70's if they're on blood pressure medicine, cholesterol medicine, or whatever. I was on BP medicine since my late 20's, but no longer, and was at a borderline warning level for cholesterol by my doc, but again, no longer. Just my experience.

[simpleman68]

Originally Posted by Stevedore

Before switching to vegetarian, later vegan, we had a fairly equal blend of red meat, poultry, & fish. How much per meal? I don't know, never really kept track. Probably too much! We gradually, over a few years, eliminated all of the above. I still ate cheese & other dairy products for a while, but my wife did not.

With regard to the health aspect, I've paid particular attention to the apparent connection between casein (found in dairy products ) & cancer. I've read of a study wherein the researchers could turn tumors on & off by the addition or removal of casein in the diets of lab rats. One Interesting Link

Many of my contemporaries have been touched by cancer, cardiac issues, etc., that I have not been troubled with. There are no guarantees in any of this, but I just feel that I should research & do what I can. If I live to be 100, who can say whether my diet played a part in that? We always read of people who smoked, drank, ate steak, etc., every day of their lives, & still lived to an old age. Who knows!?

I'd ask any of the meat/dairy eaters here in their 60's or 70's if they're on blood pressure medicine, cholesterol medicine, or whatever. I was on BP medicine since my late 20's, but no longer, and was at a borderline warning level for cholesterol by my doc, but again, no longer. Just my experience.

Agreed on the dairy in a big way. It's a double disaster because of the large quantity of hormones, chemicals etc that get passed on via the milk.

The cancer argument is always complicated and multi-faceted due to the different kinds of cancer.
Most cancerous cells use sugar to thrive vs oxygen in healthy cells.

One of my concerns is that it isn't so much the foods we eat as they way we grow or raise them. Monsanto et al is a big part of this.

Rice is also high on the list of very bad foods to eat, but not so much due to the rice itself but rather how it is farmed.
It takes 400 gallons of water to grow 1 lb of rice (floor irrigation)
Because of this, the rice naturally absorbs more arsenic than other vegetables not grown this way. It's all about maximizing profits.

Brown rice has more than 4 times the arsenic than the government allows in your drinking water. ( 10 ppb max)

Most strains of white rice have less but are still 2-3 times the legal limit.
How this is not illegal is astounding but we are making slow progress.

Scott

[Stevedore]

We've read about the arsenic concerns with brown rice, & have greatly reduced our consumption of it. Originally, I thought the problem was only with brown rice grown in former cotton fields, due to the arsenic in cotton-related pesticides, but apparently not.

Lundberg, for their part, says they don't grow in former cotton fields, but that has noting to do with brown rice's ability to absorb arsenic from the ground anywhere.

I guess if you start to worry too much about all of this, nothing is safe to eat. Maybe I'll lose some more weight!

[04 commemorative]

Originally Posted by Stevedore

I'd ask any of the meat/dairy eaters here in their 60's or 70's if they're on blood pressure medicine, cholesterol medicine, or whatever. I was on BP medicine since my late 20's, but no longer, and was at a borderline warning level for cholesterol by my doc, but again, no longer. Just my experience.

Meat & dairy eater here and on no meds at all and donate platelets at least once a month sometimes two times

[Stevedore]

Originally Posted by 04 commemorative

Meat & dairy eater here and on no meds at all and donate platelets at least once a month sometimes two times

Is platelet donation the same as apheresis? I did apheresis donations 3 times many years ago, at the request of the New York Blood Center, who ran blood donations where I worked. The third time I got the worst pounding headache I could ever recall having, along with a strange taste in my mouth. Coincidentally, I had a doctor visit a week or so later, & he recommended that I don’t do it again. It’s been so many years, I should really try again though.

(Maybe I should eat a cheeseburger before I go.)

[Mike Mercury]

The problem is not about what a private citizen decides to eat or avoid. We should all freely decide on these specifics for ourselves.

What is a problem... is a cult group trying to shame/outlaw other private citizens from deciding what to eat or avoid. THIS has been the problem all along.

I don't care what others eat; just leave me the feck alone.

[Cybercowboy]

I'm having left over tri-tip that I did sous vide yesterday, going to slice that up nice and thin and gently warm it up then make grilled roast beef and cheese sandwiches out of it, and also some hand-cut fries will get fried up, and a salad of some sort (probably just sliced avocado and cherry tomatoes with goat cheese crumbles.) I've been doing a very interesting "diet" lately, down 18 lbs in the last 8 weeks. I just eat one meal a day six out of seven days. Today was my off day so we went to brunch. If I get hungry during the day (I chose to eat at night but any time will work) I'll eat a few almonds or something along that line, just enough to sorta knock down any lingering hunger pangs. It's amazingly easy and apparently effective for me. And the kicker is, you can eat pretty much whatever you want for your one meal, but honestly I can't eat any more than I ever did in one sitting. It's not like I'm eating three meals at once, just one regular meal.

Just thought I'd toss that in to the mix. Decided to try this after thinking about it and hearing a few anecdotal stories that it's actually easy. The idea is it gives your liver plenty of time to finish processing all the carbs so no new fat cells are loaded up with glycogen or whatever it's called. At that point it's just pure calories in/out.

[04 commemorative]

Originally Posted by Stevedore

Is platelet donation the same as apheresis? I did apheresis donations 3 times many years ago, at the request of the New York Blood Center, who ran blood donations where I worked. The third time I got the worst pounding headache I could ever recall having, along with a strange taste in my mouth. Coincidentally, I had a doctor visit a week or so later, & he recommended that I don’t do it again. It’s been so many years, I should really try again though.

(Maybe I should eat a cheeseburger before I go.)

Yes it's the same but nothing like that has ever happened to me and I have been donating for years.....I would ask doctor again before I did anything

[simpleman68]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

The problem is not about what a private citizen decides to eat or avoid. We should all freely decide on these specifics for ourselves.

What is a problem... is a cult group trying to shame/outlaw other private citizens from deciding what to eat or avoid. THIS has been the problem all along.

I don't care what others eat; just leave me the feck alone.

Agreed, besides, I still enjoy the hell out of a great steak.
Scott