My daughter's car - burned to a crisp

[sublime1996525]

I’m glad you’re mostly fine and were able to get out of the Jeep. Hopefully they will come through. I wonder if the B2B warranty is still intact? If not, I wonder if they’ll still do everything to make it right.

[Unsuspicious]

Originally Posted by sublime1996525

I’m glad you’re mostly fine and were able to get out of the Jeep. Hopefully they will come through. I wonder if the B2B warranty is still intact? If not, I wonder if they’ll still do everything to make it right.

Would making everything right include issuing a recall? Hmm

[DDSLT5]

Originally Posted by Bruze

The starting point in this discussion:

Are you okay with government FORCING EVs on us, and regulating IC vehicles out of existence? -- as is currently going on. Why do you think politicians, world-wide, are so interested in pushing this? I am not okay with government forcing anything on me.

RED: What is it we're trying to solve, that needs a "solution"? We are not running out of oil nor out of energy, and "for the environment" is just a canard, an emotional tool to push a radical political agenda.

I wasn't discussing regulation. I don't think the government should have ANYTHING to do with speculation about the future, other than speculating that the debt the US has is going to destroy the country.

The real push here is that the liberals think that there are too many people on earth. Thus, there must be a reduction, and measures put in to exert total control over the population. Covid was a first try. Now climate change is another try. The key is to sell the concept that the world is going to end in 100 years IF we don't all live in poverty today. Then tell you that you must feel guilty for destroying your children's future. Seems reasonable, right?

Sorry - I'm not buying what the governments of the world are selling.

[6spdC6]

As a person that came dam close to being cooked alive in a car fire in 2016 I have made this observation. Its far from scientific and my opinion only.

It appears more vehicles after a crash are burning. I do not know why. It could be thinner more flimsily plastic gas tanks, bad plumbing on lines that contain volatile liquids, serious other design faults. I watch my local news and read 3 papers and I can note but not prove why.

This was written about normal petrol powered cars/trucks. The EVs are in their own category. I know a couple people high up in NYS Fire and they are not happy about the newer vechicles and some batteries!

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

As a person that came dam close to being cooked alive in a car fire in 2016 I have made this observation. Its far from scientific and my opinion only.

It appears more vehicles after a crash are burning. I do not know why. It could be thinner more flimsily plastic gas tanks, bad plumbing on lines that contain volatile liquids, serious other design faults. I watch my local news and read 3 papers and I can note but not prove why.

This was written about normal petrol powered cars/trucks. The EVs are in their own category. I know a couple people high up in NYS Fire and they are not happy about the newer vechicles and some batteries!

I would attribute it to Fuel Injection. The rail under pressure probably turns a leak in to a flame thrower. Carbs drip FI sprays.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

I would attribute it to Fuel Injection. The rail under pressure probably turns a leak in to a flame thrower. Carbs drip FI sprays.

Agreed. Even with the pump off, de-activated by a roll-over or impact switch, the static pressure in the rail can be 40-90 psi. If you've ever hit the Schrader valve on a fuel rail under pressure, the fuel sprays out fast and far... and instantly. And all the plastic underhood components, even the new plastic inake manifolds and valve covers and engine covers will burn. Unlike the old-school carbureted car with metal intakes, valve covers, and air filter housings.

[6spdC6]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

I would attribute it to Fuel Injection. The rail under pressure probably turns a leak in to a flame thrower. Carbs drip FI sprays.

Originally Posted by GTOguy

Agreed. Even with the pump off, de-activated by a roll-over or impact switch, the static pressure in the rail can be 40-90 psi. If you've ever hit the Schrader valve on a fuel rail under pressure, the fuel sprays out fast and far... and instantly. And all the plastic underhood components, even the new plastic inake manifolds and valve covers and engine covers will burn. Unlike the old-school carbureted car with metal intakes, valve covers, and air filter housings.

Thanks guys, as a member of the carburetor and ignition points generation I did not think of that. Hey you will get older also!-

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

Thanks guys, as a member of the carburetor and ignition points generation I did not think of that. Hey you will get older also!-

And with all the modern S A A A F E T Y!!! regulations handed down from our superiors in Washington, one would think modern cars would be way safer than the old ones.

I drove plenty of junkers when I was young, and whatever since then, never had anything close to a fire.

Cars I stored over the winter, I would pop the air cleaner off in the spring and splash some gas down the carb before cranking it, so it would start easier. No fires.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

Thanks guys, as a member of the carburetor and ignition points generation I did not think of that. Hey you will get older also!-

I currently have 7 vehicles with carburetors and ignition points. And have had for decades. Stone age tech for the long haul win!!