Lets see how this shooting plays out.

[RED-85-Z51]

The initial story is pretty simple, 16yo kid with no cell phone drove a few blocks away to pickup his brothers, arrived at the wrong house, rings the doorbell and is greeted by a headshot.

Ben Crump has been retained already.

Missouri has a stand your ground law and a covered porch is considered a part of the castle...

How will this story change as time goes on?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-law-rcna79963

[z06psi]

15 people murdered in Chicago this weekend.

Who cares?

[Louie Detroit]

Ben Crump, says all that needs to be said.

[bill_daniels]

Kid should have been a cop. These cops went to the wrong house in the middle of the night and killed a homeowner who had a gun when he opened the door to see who was banging on the door.

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Listening to the tapes, they weren't even sure if they were in the right place. House was completely dark. But hey, shoot first, eh, guys?

Chief backs his cops who killed the homeowner right in front of his wife. They shot at the wife, too, but missed.

[slewfoot]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Kid should have been a cop. These cops went to the wrong house in the middle of the night and killed a homeowner who had a gun when he opened the door to see who was banging on the door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkCAj_pKtXY


Listening to the tapes, they weren't even sure if they were in the right place. House was completely dark. But hey, shoot first, eh, guys?

Chief backs his cops who killed the homeowner right in front of his wife. They shot at the wife, too, but missed.

This has been on the news here like a rash.

[slewfoot]

Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51

The initial story is pretty simple, 16yo kid with no cell phone drove a few blocks away to pickup his brothers, arrived at the wrong house, rings the doorbell and is greeted by a headshot.

Ben Crump has been retained already.

Missouri has a stand your ground law and a covered porch is considered a part of the castle...

How will this story change as time goes on?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-law-rcna79963

White guy shoots black kid. Been too much black on black. This should get Sharpton out of his hole.

[bill_daniels]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

This has been on the news here like a rash.

It should. Cops wake up a guy in his own house and murder him, try to murder his wife? Terrorize the kids? The kids were upstairs calling 911, calling the cops for help, while at the same time, the cops were murdering their father. This isn't OK, especially when prior to the whole thing, you can hear the cops discussing that they aren't sure if they are at the right place. Damn, if you aren't sure, withdraw, figure out where you are supposed to be going, and start over.

How many VB members, if awakened by banging on the door at night, might also grab a gun before opening the door to see what's going on? I don't know, maybe the police should make it standard practice to put on their emergency lights in front of the house when it's the middle of the night? That way maybe it's a little more clear that there are cops outside?

[Chemtrails99]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

It should. Cops wake up a guy in his own house and murder him, try to murder his wife? Terrorize the kids? The kids were upstairs calling 911, calling the cops for help, while at the same time, the cops were murdering their father. This isn't OK, especially when prior to the whole thing, you can hear the cops discussing that they aren't sure if they are at the right place. Damn, if you aren't sure, withdraw, figure out where you are supposed to be going, and start over.

How many VB members, if awakened by banging on the door at night, might also grab a gun before opening the door to see what's going on? I don't know, maybe the police should make it standard practice to put on their emergency lights in front of the house when it's the middle of the night? That way maybe it's a little more clear that there are cops outside?

Saw a quote by Massad Ayoob commenting on a gun forum thread where everybody was bragging on about what gun they would use to protect their house if somebody started pounding on their door at 3:00am. He said, "Really? Just who is going to be pounding on your door demanding to come in at 3:00 am? Pretty much nobody except cops. The question isn't what gun would you use, it's why would anyone answer the door at 3:00 am?".

Well, that's pretty simple.....

But once they kick the door in without announcing who they are it's a different animal.

[RED-85-Z51]

Originally Posted by Chemtrails99

Saw a quote by Massad Ayoob commenting on a gun forum thread where everybody was bragging on about what gun they would use to protect their house if somebody started pounding on their door at 3:00am. He said, "Really? Just who is going to be pounding on your door demanding to come in at 3:00 am? Pretty much nobody except cops. The question isn't what gun would you use, it's why would anyone answer the door at 3:00 am?".

Well, that's pretty simple.....

But once they kick the door in without announcing who they are it's a different animal.

Alexa..turn off all lights
Alexa...play flight of the Valkyre
Alexa...deploy claymore roomba

[RED-85-Z51]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Kid should have been a cop. These cops went to the wrong house in the middle of the night and killed a homeowner who had a gun when he opened the door to see who was banging on the door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkCAj_pKtXY


Listening to the tapes, they weren't even sure if they were in the right place. House was completely dark. But hey, shoot first, eh, guys?

Chief backs his cops who killed the homeowner right in front of his wife. They shot at the wife, too, but missed.

Cops are trigger happy, sometimes it seems like they all want to mag dump anything that moves

[bill_daniels]

Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51

Alexa..turn off all lights
Alexa...play flight of the Valkyre
Alexa...deploy claymore roomba

*Ride of the Valkyries

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Wagner.....OG heavy metal!

[Tikiman]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Kid should have been a cop. These cops went to the wrong house in the middle of the night and killed a homeowner who had a gun when he opened the door to see who was banging on the door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkCAj_pKtXY


Listening to the tapes, they weren't even sure if they were in the right place. House was completely dark. But hey, shoot first, eh, guys?

Chief backs his cops who killed the homeowner right in front of his wife. They shot at the wife, too, but missed.

They're slacking. They usually kill the family pets while they're at it.

[LATB]

Crump gonna get him a new silk suit.

[bill_daniels]

Originally Posted by LATB

Crump gonna get him a new silk suit.

ASSUMING the initial reports are true, the guy has a case. Homeowner shot the kid, kid went down, then homeowner shot kid in the head. Must have been a graze head wound, because kid was able to go to a neighboring home where they neighbor called for an ambulance.

Again, let's consider the initial reports often are not correct, but if these are, it looks bad for the homeowner. Frankly, I think if that happened to me on my quiet cul-de-sac, I'd turn on the outside light and if I didn't recognize the person, I wouldn't open the door, just talk through it. Then again, some people have solid front doors with no glass where that might not be possible.

Edit: In practice, I don't know how much there is to actually get from the homeowner. Insurance company will pay out policy limits, the homeowner will declare bankruptcy. If the homeowner has a significant amount of savings, Crump can probably get that, but I think bankruptcy laws protect the actual house and a car or two, especially if there's a mortgage still on the house.

[bill_daniels]

CNN working hard to create Summer of Floyd II: More Rioting Boogaloo

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by Chemtrails99

Saw a quote by Massad Ayoob commenting on a gun forum thread where everybody was bragging on about what gun they would use to protect their house if somebody started pounding on their door at 3:00am. He said, "Really? Just who is going to be pounding on your door demanding to come in at 3:00 am? Pretty much nobody except cops. The question isn't what gun would you use, it's why would anyone answer the door at 3:00 am?".

Well, that's pretty simple.....

But once they kick the door in without announcing who they are it's a different animal.

Massad Ayoob is excellent. He's BTDT and has super solid advice.

[Torqaholic]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

.... These cops went to the wrong house in the middle of the night and killed a homeowner who had a gun when he opened the door to see who was banging on the door.

...

Sounds like he wanted to die. I've been answering my door with gun in hand for 40 years, cops included, and nobody has been shot. Know why? Because there's a big difference between opening the door to talk with a stranger and speaking through the wall.

Don't open the door to a stranger regardless of who they claim to be, what they want (excepting girl scout cookies), or what kind of clown suit they're wearing. Talk through the wall. If they have a problem with that they can leave, stand there talking to themselves like an idiot, or try to force their way in. Their choice, I ain't particular

[RED-85-Z51]

Charges have been filed

https://share.newsbreak.com/3lpr09k0

[RED-85-Z51]

Media is saying he shot through a glass door with a .32 pistol.

Now..question is, was there provocation

[bill_daniels]

Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51

Media is saying he shot through a glass door with a .32 pistol.

Now..question is, was there provocation

80 year old guy with a .32? I wonder if he was a Vietnam vet officer who brought home his 1903 from the war?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Model_1903_Pocket_Hammerless