Sorry all you haters...............but....

[NEED-A-VETTE]

One thing worth noting is that, while other countries obviously do medical research (clinical, pharmaceutical, etc.), the US does spend more money than any other country, by far. This is also factored into our costs. 

Say Pfizer does some research...the money has to come from somewhere. They may get grants, etc., but much of it comes from the higher drug profits that pfizer makes off the average American versus other countries. 

It's easy to stand back and point at our costs and say that its a fault...and reap the benefits of what we pay for. I don't necessarily dispute that Americans pay more than we should. However, keep in mind that we bear the burden of paying for much of the biomedical research that is taking place today...and everyone benefits from that. 

Also, in a true emergency, no one is turned away from a hospital based on their ability to pay. There are a lot of federal and state programs that will help uninsured and underinsured people out there, some of which (Medicaid) can be retroactively put in place to cover a hospital stay. And then there are private, charitable organizations, etc. 

In reality, if uninsured people here in the US sought out help and researched the right venues, they could find coverage. But most aren't willing to shut off their cable and reallocate that $100/month to an individual health plan.
There are resources out there for those truly in need.

Think about this...most of the world is looking at people such as the Occupy movement as a big joke. Compared to much of the world, the entire United States population is 1%ers. The resources and opportunities are here for anyone willing to take the initiative. 

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by themonk

And I'm not here to say my country is better than yours, that's like telling your friend that your mom is prettier than theirs, I just defend my position, reply with facts and hope that nobody takes what I say too seriously or takes it personally. I would never say that the US sucks, my mom is American, but I will always defend my country even though there are many things that I dislike about it.



I love America, Canada, Europe and Jamaica because they all play a very important part of my life, just because I don't live in all of them that doesn't mean I don't care about them.

^^ Canadian beer in those mugs 'cause teh Yankee beer = pisswater

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE

One thing worth noting is that, while other countries obviously do medical research (clinical, pharmaceutical, etc.), the US does spend more money than any other country, by far. This is also factored into our costs.*

Say Pfizer does some research...the money has to come from somewhere. They may get grants, etc., but much of it comes from the higher drug profits that pfizer makes off the average American versus other countries.*

It's easy to stand back and point at our costs and say that its a fault...and reap the benefits of what we pay for. I don't necessarily dispute that Americans pay more than we should. However, keep in mind that we bear the burden of paying for much of the biomedical research that is taking place today...and everyone benefits from that.*

Also, in a true emergency, no one is turned away from a hospital based on their ability to pay. There are a lot of federal and state programs that will help uninsured and underinsured people out there, some of which (Medicaid) can be retroactively put in place to cover a hospital stay.*And then there are private, charitable organizations, etc.*

In reality, if uninsured people here in the US sought out help and researched the right venues, they could find coverage. But most aren't willing to shut off their cable and reallocate that $100/month to an individual health plan.
There are resources out there for those truly in need.

Think about this...most of the world is looking at people such as the Occupy movement as a big joke. Compared to much of the world, the entire United States population is 1%ers. The resources and opportunities are here for anyone willing to take the initiative.*

NAV for President!

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Sea Six

NAV for President!

better looking than the other candidates too.

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

better looking than the other candidates too.

I'd put her right up there with Sarah Palin.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Sea Six

I'd put her right up there with Sarah Palin.

where are you gonna put her and Sarah? and what are they gonna do once there?

[NEED-A-VETTE]

You guys are hilarious. I do work in healthcare finance, though. Full disclosure and all.

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE

You guys are hilarious. I do work in healthcare finance, though. Full disclosure and all.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

I'll tell you one thing, doctors are scrambling to find money and resources to put into place the changes and requirements being set up by the new health care bill. Many physicians are closing private practices (loss of jobs there with admin staff, etc.) and joining larger medical groups simply because they can't afford to put these changes into place. In addition, with the reduction in reimbursement coming along, new med students aren't going into primary care.

We're looking at some heavy issues with accessability in the near future. All unintended consequences of this hastily approved bill.

When you look at the profits made by insurance companies, they pale in comparison to other industries. Now, I'm by no means a cheerleader for the insurance industry. I don't work for them and I think they do need an overhaul. But they're not the evil entities that some politicians have made them out to be.

I travel all over the country as part of a team that provides solutions to health care groups and professionals. Revenue cycle solutions. Mostly large hospitals, etc. I interact with hundreds of physicians, executives and administrative staff. I'd be hard pressed to find even a handful of these professionals that thought the health care bill was a good thing.

[Sea Six]

^^ And the more that they find out about this monstrosity called Obamacare, the less will think it's a good thing.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Originally Posted by Sea Six

^^ And the more that they find out about this monstrosity called Obamacare, the less will think it's a good thing.

It's a bit of a mess. Unintended consequences are going to overshadow any good that this bill would've done. And it's up for debate as to whether or not this bill had any "good" points in it.

Now, with an election looming ahead, we know that any republican POTUS (if elected) will repeal this. But the damage is being done now via office closures and revenue spent trying to implement changes as required. Money being spent now is done to avoid being non-compliant...it will never be recovered even if the bill is overturned.

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

the solutions are there...but they are unpopular with the law makers because the ones most of us believe will work take power away from the politicians...so they play games of class warfare and political correctness with a little fear thrown in...and come up with bandaid fixes that do little and cost a lot.

Hammer-Nail. Plus through in the massive malpractice insurance Dr.s have to have. Tort reform and a movement away from .gov dependency.