Should presidential candidates be required to...

[DAB]

Originally Posted by OddBall

can't figure out and not giving a shit are two different things.

can't figure out = ignorance

not giving a shit = apathy

[Mark C5]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

One of the smartest Presidents was one of the worst. Carter was a sub commander.

Carter never commanded a submarine. He transferred to the Retired Reserve with the rank of Lieutenant after seven years of active duty plus three years at the Naval Academy.

[kingpin]

Originally Posted by Flatbush Harry;397449[B

Actually, it's about two sets of skills...leadership (the ability to inspire people to greatness, and to do the right thing) and management (the ability to do things right).[/B] The last President to have both was probably Harry Truman, preceded by FDR. Eisenhower was a manager, Kennedy was a leader, Johnson was neither (but managed the Senate as majority leader), Nixon was neither, Ford was a manager (as House majority leader), Carter was neither, Reagan was a leader, Bush 41 was a manager, Clinton was a leader (in part), and W was a disaster. The jury is still out on Obambamohbamarama...(lookin' like neither so far). I hope we can find a President who can find his ass in a bathtub with both hands...unlikely at this juncture.

Harry, pessimist, but still able to piss in the bowl

The 2 skills that a lot of people think they have, but are far from it. Especially in this day and age.
Imagine trying to be a leader of a nation to todays cynical people.

Problem with being a leader and a manager is that you have to do things that will make some dislike and not trust you. You have to be okay with that. That's where a good leader is able to make you think that what he is saying is going to work and the right way to do things.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Flatbush Harry

Indeed...but it doesn't really have to be a test. Recall that the principal authors of the Federalist Papers were James Madison and John Monroe, that Thomas Jefferson was the president of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and, despite his predilections with his slaves, of which he owned 108, he was a genuine polymath, that John Adams was the president of the American Philosophical Society, and that others of the founding fathers were among the best and brightest in the USofA at the time. Today, John Kerry and G.W. Bush were committed "C" students at Yale and that Rick Perry was a "C" student with a few "D"s and an "F" at Texas A & M & D (that's Agricultural & Mechanical and Dumbass)...I don't really need an object lesson in how eff'n dumb most of these guys really are.

Har(er, er, :upchuck:, er, excuse me!)ry

College grades are a poor measure because some people are late bloomers.

News flash - teenagers can be immature.

My undergrad grades were shit. 2.9 UGPA First 2 years, didn't have a clue what I wanted to do, made some horrible grades, ended up changing majors with barely a 2.0. Started making As and Bs and pulled that GPA up close to a 3.0.

I grew up and got married, graduated with a 3.2 GPA for my MBA.

Working on a JD now, will graduate with a 3.5 as long as I don't suddenly screw the pooch this year.

I've scored into the 99th percentile on every type of standardized test I've taken.

I WORKED my way up into management and driving a C5 at the ripe old age of 21.

I'm no rocket scientist. Actually I can still be pretty ****ing dumb at times and make questionable decisions. But my undergraduate transcripts aren't exactly an accurate representation of my abilities either. They ARE an accurate representation of the typical maturity level of an 18 year old.

18 may be a magical cut-off number for the .gov and legal adulthood, but REALITY doesn't conform to arbitrary legal designations. Many people don't mature by 18. That shouldn't disqualify them from elected office (unless they happen to be running while still 18).

In short, elect me President of the United States in 2020. Thank You.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by ...Whitepower...

Forum members should be subjected to the same tests seeing that alot of you can't figure out how to post shit like this in PRC.

Off Topic - Anything Non-Corvette Related - Enter at your own risk!

[PLRX]

Originally Posted by datawiz

Hell, at this point, I'd be thrilled with a genuinely valid birth certificate.

Is this issue dead? Are we accepting the fake one?

[boracayjohnny]

Oddball, the test wouldn't matter since they'd also cheat, lie, or get it fixed afterwards.

[Joecooool]

The fact that the United States allows voters to elect the President is often the cause of the political grid lock this nation faces.

There is a reason we didn't establish the same type of government in Germany and Japan, and now Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Mark C5]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

The fact that the United States has a direct election of the President is often the cause of the political grid lock this nation faces.

I guess you missed that whole electoral college thing huh?

[kylebuck]

Originally Posted by Mark C5

I guess you missed that whole electoral college thing huh?

beat me too it.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Mark C5

I guess you missed that whole electoral college thing huh?

You know what I meant.

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

The fact that the United States allows voters to elect the President is often the cause of the political grid lock this nation faces.

There is a reason we didn't establish the same type of government in Germany and Japan, and now Iraq and Afghanistan.

Originally Posted by Mark C5

I guess you missed that whole electoral college thing huh?

Originally Posted by joebuck

beat me too it.

Lots of things get past Joecooool.

[Entropy]

No.

I'd just be happy rolling things the way the constitution has them laid out.

Will made some good points as well.

[Mark C5]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

You know what I meant.

I do? Why yes, I think I do. I think you meant the President is elected directly by the people which he is not.

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by Mark C5

I guess you missed that whole electoral college thing huh?

Originally Posted by joebuck

beat me too it.

Damn. Joebuck slapping Phil down.

[Madmikeee]

ALL candidates for public office MUST meet the following requirements: (At least in MY opinion)

1) Born and Raised in the U.S. (Obviously this includes people born on U.S. Soil in foreign countries if in the military or the likes)

2) MUST have worked a minimum of 10 years, as an adult (Working at McDonalds from the age of 16 does not count), in the private sector doing a REAL Job, not working for daddy making a quarter of a million a year for sitting in an office jerking off all day.

3) MUST have at LEAST another 10 years experience working in politics with GOOD reviews

4) MUST spend at least 4 years in the military

5) Cannot spend more than 1m dollars on ANY campaign and is not allowed to use public tax dollars for ANY personal reason while campaigning.

6) Must write their OWN SPEECHES and cannot use "Smear Tactics" while campaigning. If you cannot beat your opponent without someone doing your homework for you or resorting to 2'nd grade bullshit you don't deserve to be in office.

Feel free to add some more.

[sxeC6]

Originally Posted by Mark C5

I do? Why yes, I think I do. I think you meant the President is elected directly by the people which he is not.

Yep, and we still have an Electoral College that was set up in a time of communication by mail delivered on horseback. It's long past a time for change.

[Will]

The electoral college is a good idea. We don't need to change that too, we need to UNdo the change made to the election of U.S. Senators.


State governments no longer have a voice in Washington D.C., and since that change - SURPRISE - the power and scope of the federal government have increased DRAMATICALLY.

[sxeC6]

Originally Posted by Will

The electoral college is a good idea. We don't need to change that too, we need to UNdo the change made to the election of U.S. Senators.


State governments no longer have a voice in Washington D.C., and since that change - SURPRISE - the power and scope of the federal government have increased DRAMATICALLY.

Explain why the Electoral College is valid in today's world and what change were made to senayor elections?

[Scissors]

Voters get the elected officials that they deserve.