A little help (Tractor related)

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Mick

If I'm not mistaken, your solenoid is not a switch. It is an electromagnet that when turned on by the ignition switch, pushes the starter motor gear out to engage the flywheel.

...and closes the circuit that powers the starter.

Even though I was absolutely sure...I looked it up just a minute ago.

A starter solenoid is an electromagnet which is actuated to engage the starter motor of an internal combustion engine. It is normally attached directly to the starter motor which it controls. Its primary function is as the actuating coil of a contactor which connects the battery to the starter motor proper. Wikipedia

[Mick]

Originally Posted by aerovette

...and closes the circuit that powers the starter.

Even though I was absolutely sure...I looked it up just a minute ago.

A starter solenoid is an electromagnet which is actuated to engage the starter motor of an internal combustion engine. It is normally attached directly to the starter motor which it controls. Its primary function is as the actuating coil of a contactor which connects the battery to the starter motor proper. Wikipedia

So, I was right.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Mick

So, I was right.

Whatever you say Doug.

It closes the circuit to the motor. THAT was the point. A screwdriver will do the same thing.

READ ...

...and closes the circuit that powers the starter.

I clearly said "and"




EDITED to reflect new calm.

[MEANZ06]

Not sure which pics these are. It's my first time as an attachment, since P/B started charging for their site.

You can see the 2 accessible bolt the 3rd ir on the top against the block

[Mr.Bigg]

I see you have not cleaned your contacts yet. I would clean both positive and negative both ends and at the solinoid inspect cables and test for a full charge battery. Before I pulled the starter.

Have you tried jumping the solinoid yet?

[Aerovette]

Tractor Starter and Starter Solenoid Replacement - Ranch Hand Tips - YouTube

@MEANZ06

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[Mick]

Originally Posted by aerovette

Whatever you say Doug.

It closes the circuit to the motor. THAT was the point. A screwdriver will do the same thing.

READ ...

I clearly said "and"




EDITED to reflect new calm.

It does not act as a "switch". If you want to say it acts as a "connector" as well as an electromagnet, I wouldn't disagree with you. But at least for the kind of starter motor in my Corvette (I admit to not knowing the details of how the push button starter in my truck works), the solenoid does not act as a switch in any way.

The switch in that circuit is the ignition switch. When I activate the ignition switch, voltage is delivered to the solenoid that is connected to the starter motor, which causes it to start turning. The solenoid is a "have power, deliver power" to the starter motor, and there is no "switching" that happens at the solenoid. All of the "on/off" switching happens at the ignition switch in my hand.

But your attempt at not admitting you were wrong by calling me "UD" is amusing.

[bill_daniels]

Originally Posted by Mick

So, I was right.

Originally Posted by aerovette

Whatever you say Doug.

It closes the circuit to the motor. THAT was the point. A screwdriver will do the same thing.

READ ...

I clearly said "and"




EDITED to reflect new calm.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Mick

It does not act as a "switch". If you want to say it acts as a "connector" as well as an electromagnet, I wouldn't disagree with you. But at least for the kind of starter motor in my Corvette (I admit to not knowing the details of how the push button starter in my truck works), the solenoid does not act as a switch in any way.

The switch in that circuit is the ignition switch. When I activate the ignition switch, voltage is delivered to the solenoid that is connected to the starter motor, which causes it to start turning. The solenoid is a "have power, deliver power" to the starter motor, and there is no "switching" that happens at the solenoid. All of the "on/off" switching happens at the ignition switch in my hand.

But your attempt at not admitting you were wrong by calling me "UD" is amusing.

It is a NO (Normally Open for the retarded)
contact. Better? As I said IT FKN COMPLETES THE CIRCUIT TO THE STARTER. Stick it up your ass dickweed.

EDIT: I don't know what your hardon is for me, but put your dick away. I'm not interested.

The most common type of switch is an electromechanical device consisting of one or more sets of movable electrical contacts connected to external circuits. When a pair of contacts is touching current can pass between them, while when the contacts are separated no current can flow.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by aerovette

It is a NO (Normally Open for the retarded)
contact. Better? As I said IT FKN COMPLETES THE CIRCUIT TO THE STARTER. Stick it up your ass dickweed.

EDIT: I don't know what your hardon is for me, but put your dick away. I'm not interested.

Okaaaaay.

BTW: the "definition" of "switch" in your post exactly describes the ignition switch in my Corvette.

[Stevedore]

Originally Posted by Mick

It does not act as a "switch". If you want to say it acts as a "connector" as well as an electromagnet, I wouldn't disagree with you. But at least for the kind of starter motor in my Corvette (I admit to not knowing the details of how the push button starter in my truck works), the solenoid does not act as a switch in any way.

The switch in that circuit is the ignition switch. When I activate the ignition switch, voltage is delivered to the solenoid that is connected to the starter motor, which causes it to start turning. The solenoid is a "have power, deliver power" to the starter motor, and there is no "switching" that happens at the solenoid. All of the "on/off" switching happens at the ignition switch in my hand.

But your attempt at not admitting you were wrong by calling me "UD" is amusing.

Do you think that the ignition switch "in your hand" carries all of the current required by the starter motor? It doesn't. That current is "switched" by larger contacts that are engaged by the action of the solenoid.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by Stevedore

Do you think that the ignition switch "in your hand" carries all of the current required by the starter motor? It doesn't. That current is "switched" by larger contacts that are engaged by the action of the solenoid.

What? Do you mean to imply that it doesn't? Balderdash I say, Balderdash.






















Yes, I know what a "relay" is and does, and it is not technically a "switch".

[MEANZ06]

Originally Posted by aerovette

Tractor Starter and Starter Solenoid Replacement - Ranch Hand Tips - YouTube

@MEANZ06

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Awesome! Our tractor is exactly the same I just have the bucket arms in the way.

Thanks Aero!

[Mr.Bigg]

Originally Posted by MEANZ06

Awesome! Our tractor is exactly the same I just have the bucket arms in the way.

Thanks Aero!

Then you could lub the bendix with a small copper tube as well. Just pull a starter bolt and bend the tube as needed.

To jump the solinoid turn the key on then connect the big nuts on either side. Use something heavy duty, pliers handles work well. It will burn them a bit if not your battery is to low,

Edit make damn sure it is in neutral.

[Olustee bus]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

OPh, I must be in the wrong corvette forum!

[JetMechZ16]

Could someone please kick the ex chemical engineer that thinks he's a mechanic out of this conversation!!! He could not be any more wrong and is arguing semantics again to prove he's UDs lost brother!

[Mick]

Originally Posted by JetMechZ16

Could someone please kick the ex chemical engineer that thinks he's a mechanic out of this conversation!!! He could not be any more wrong and is arguing semantics again to prove he's UDs lost brother!

No worries, I'm done with this conversation.

[MEANZ06]

With the the video aero posted and this one, the limited time we have up there (long weekends) I'll just replace both parts. This vid shows (more in line/symtoms with our problem) how to get to that 3rd bolt around the bucket arm.

1969 Ford 4000/3000 Tractor Starter Repair - YouTube

Thanks for the the help folks!

[Mr.Bigg]

You said this all happend after jumping it. This sounds like it could be low voltage to the starter.

Edit just watched the video. Looks like a easy fix either way.

[Lakota]

The part replaced in post #38 is called a Bendix drive.

A Bendix drive is a type of engagement mechanism used in starter motors of internal combustion engines. The device allows the pinion gear of the starter motor to engage or disengage the flywheel of the engine automatically when the starter is powered or when the engine fires, respectively.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendix_drive