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Old 12-03-2016, 10:28am   #21
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Things escalate very quickly, and as was said before in this thread, wars have been started for lesser reasons.
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin', you know what I'm sayin' ?

Sending our war ships into the SCS would definitely ramp up the situation.
Do we really wanna play poker with them when we don't have to ?

China has always rattled sabers; they beat their chests too. Nothing new there. China knows that a war with us would be a BIG war, and they don't want that. They'd rather sell us blow up Santa's and shitty tools.


We don't need to send our warships in. We got Taiwan to use against them.
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I think that Joe Plumber would much rather sacrifice buying an inexpensive blow up Santa, rather than sacrificing his sons.
Going to war with China is unwinnable..... Simple as that.
We can beat our chests all we want, but they are as advanced as we are, whether you want to believe that or not.
An armed conflict is not the correct answer on this one.
And that's exactly why China has been doing everything but an armed confrontation with the US. There are cyber attacks around the clock on many fronts as, imo, the biggest example.

For quick proof, look at the design of the new China fighter jet. Then look at the design of the USAF F-22. How can anyone look at those two and think China came up with the design independently.
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China has always rattled sabers; they beat their chests too. Nothing new there. China knows that a war with us would be a BIG war, and they don't want that. They'd rather sell us blow up Santa's and shitty tools.


We don't need to send our warships in. We got Taiwan to use against them.
Maybe Trump could "pay off" North Korea to "fix" the situation.
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Maybe Trump could "pay off" North Korea to "fix" the situation.
Then off the little muttonhead when he's served his purpose.
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And that's exactly why China has been doing everything but an armed confrontation with the US. There are cyber attacks around the clock on many fronts as, imo, the biggest example.

For quick proof, look at the design of the new China fighter jet. Then look at the design of the USAF F-22. How can anyone look at those two and think China came up with the design independently.
One word: Snowden
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Then off the little muttonhead when he's served his purpose.
I was actually gonna say that
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And that's exactly why China has been doing everything but an armed confrontation with the US. There are cyber attacks around the clock on many fronts as, imo, the biggest example.

For quick proof, look at the design of the new China fighter jet. Then look at the design of the USAF F-22. How can anyone look at those two and think China came up with the design independently.
That is a situation/ war that needs to be rectified.
The NSA needs to ramp up their game to thwart these attacks.
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That is a situation/ war that needs to be rectified.
The NSA needs to ramp up their game to thwart these attacks.
The NSA is too busy spying on American citizens, in America.
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That is a situation/ war that needs to be rectified.
The NSA needs to ramp up their game to thwart these attacks.
The days of large/developed countries putting boots on the ground against each is over. Now, the way to win is to beat them from externally. And China has developed a serious game. The US has the NSA that can collect data on anyone/anything. The sorting of the relevant and current person/threat percolating it's way to the top now seems to be the problem.
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Unfortunately, the US and China are bound together through many businesses currently. To abruptly stop the movement of one countries trade would not be good for either country, to say the least. What's the solution? I have no idea. I do know it is a huge mess. I will support President Trump using any and all measures to make a successful outcome for the US.
It would be difficult, but this is an opportunity for companies manufacturing in China to start small and begin domestic manufacturing. I know I would be willing to pay more for products that employ US workers.
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started, the trade wars have....
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Old 12-03-2016, 08:36pm   #32
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I hated to see us move away from a relationship with Taiwan ... was there several times mid-70s.
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Old 12-03-2016, 09:55pm   #33
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I'm going to loop back to something Cyber posted during the election, because it really stuck in my mind. Something to the effect of "Trump's playing three-dimensional chess while his enemies think he's playing checkers."

It was just a phone call. But a phone call with a message- "I'm about to be the President of the United States of America, and I can damn well call anyone I want to, whenever I want to, without consulting anyone else first."

And, of course, the Master Troll was probably fishing for what type of reaction he'd get. That in itself will be valuable information going forwards- knowing he'll be negotiating with China at some point in the not so far away future.
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MSM are reporting how bad it was for Trump to call Taiwan, but the Taiwan president CALLED HIM! She initiated it.

Red China and the MSM should be berating the Taiwanese leader, not Trump!

This fact is in the middle of the OP's text...
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After the phone conversation Friday, Trump tweeted that Tsai "CALLED ME." He also groused about the reaction to the call: "Interesting how the U.S. sells Taiwan billions of dollars of military equipment but I should not accept a congratulatory call."


News from The Associated Press
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Between China's aggression in Tibet and the Spratly island and thier failure to rein in North Korea's Nuke efforts along with thier predatory economic policy towards America Who give a good god damn what China thinks?
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MSM are reporting how bad it was for Trump to call Taiwan, but the Taiwan president CALLED HIM! She initiated it.

Red China and the MSM should be berating the Taiwanese leader, not Trump!

This fact is in the middle of the OP's text...
The MSM is complaining about a democratically elected President calling President Trump. The MSM is also supporting China which is a communist country. Think about that.
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We educated and reasonable folk could justify such actions but think the disruption that would be caused if "Joe the Plumber's" wife went down to Wally World for a new blow up Santa and Elves only to find it was on National Back order, and she could get a raincheck; but after the thing came in it would cost $89.96 instead of the advertised $29.96. There would be rioting in the streets, serious.
Price too high. Sales fall a lot. Prices start falling. Sales go back up. Happy medium found. Supply and Demand and Demand and Supply work.
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For quick proof, look at the design of the new China fighter jet. Then look at the design of the USAF F-22. How can anyone look at those two and think China came up with the design independently.

One word: Snowden


What do you mean -- Snowden? Do you think he provided info to the Chinese?

I thought the major Chinese hack of Lockheed Martin's systems happened in 2006/2007, two or three years before Snowden started any of his record copying while working for Dell as an NSA subcontractor.
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What do you mean -- Snowden? Do you think he provided info to the Chinese?

I thought the major Chinese hack of Lockheed Martin's systems happened in 2006/2007, two or three years before Snowden started any of his record copying while working for Dell as an NSA subcontractor.


China has for decades sent many of thier best adn brightest student to the USA for higher education and to work in many high tech facilities. they have enormous access to leading edge design work which they have been sending back to China.
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