Breaking: Multiple Possible Terrorist Attacks In Paris

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

If we backtrack just a bit, does anybody else think this attack is directly related to Bush entering the Iraq, against the wishes of Americans who knew that secular Saddam wasn't harboring or facilitating Islamic extremists, who would threaten his power if allowed to gain a foothold? We did leave a void. We left it when we deposed Saddam, and when we aided in deposing Khadafi in Libya. Actions have consequences.

And letting these people emigrate to the West is an action that also has negative, but foreseeable consequences.

Thank you.

So let's back track a little more to when the Jews adopted that little piece of land in the '50s.

[Shrike6]

It's directly related to the rise of the liberal politically correct idiots in power. They have systematically dismantled our military. And, worse, created a sissy foreign policy that has removed all fear and respect for the USA.

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

If we backtrack just a bit, does anybody else think this attack is directly related to Bush entering the Iraq, against the wishes of Americans who knew that secular Saddam wasn't harboring or facilitating Islamic extremists, who would threaten his power if allowed to gain a foothold? We did leave a void. We left it when we deposed Saddam, and when we aided in deposing Khadafi in Libya. Actions have consequences.

And letting these people emigrate to the West is an action that also has negative, but foreseeable consequences.

Do two wrongs make a right? We just cleared the way for Isis, rolled out the carpets and left. Would that area be better off with Sadaam instead of that lack of leadership? Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that this was easily predictable by anybody paying attention.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Shrike6

It's directly related to the rise of the liberal politically correct idiots in power. They have systematically dismantled our military. And, worse, created a sissy foreign policy that has removed all fear and respect for the USA.

Our military has not been dismantled. We spend more than the next 10 countries combined on defense. What has happened, however, is our leadership has NEUTERED our military. I agree with your assessment of our foreign policy, completely.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

Does anybody else thing this attack is directly related to Obama pulling out of the middle east, against his military advisers advice and allowing ISIS to fill the void we left behind?

Yes, when the US pulled out of Iraq with a corrupt gov't not in real control, people shouldn't be surprised about what happened. That may be why the US is not completely pulling out of Afghanistan. Yet, I'll also say with just the few folks staying, the situation will not be significantly better than Iraq. If the US is still there in 10 years with the current way of overall support, Afghanistan will be the exact same as now. At what point does the US pack up? At what point does the US do more?

Further about Iraq, what did the US really do? Imo, the installing of democracy was a good idea in theory. What happened was the US took out a dictator and now a corrupt government is in place. Which is better for the average Iraqi? Which is better for the US as far as national security?

This proves the politicians and their ideas for better are as scattered as the countries. What's the solution? Fcuk if I know. I do know the US has a big hairy ball in the corner and no real solutions to make something out of it.

Damn, I got on my politics soap box again. Ugh. Hey, where's those startled cats videos.

[Shrike6]

It's like what Patton said " Politicians always leave us with another war to fight".
After we deposed and defeated Saddam, and not finishing the job, after defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan, and not chasing them into Pakistan ( eliminating their safe havens), and not taking charge of Libya, what else could we expect? It is not enough to just defeat the enemy, one must utterly destry him wherever his last hideouts are.
Same as Vietnam, and North Korea.

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Thank you.

So let's back track a little more to when the Jews adopted that little piece of land in the '50s.

Ok let's go back a little further;

Explain the Barbary Pirates or the Muslim expansion that led to the crusades......

These people hate us and seek to kill, convert, or enslave us, and they have sought that since the inception of their barbaric religion. It only takes a rudimentary understanding of Islam to understand that it has nothing to do with the Israeli state, our involvement in the Middle East or a YouTube video. It's their ideology that requires them to wage Jihad to bring about the caliphate and the 12th Imam, aka the end of the world. If you don't grasp that concept then you're no better than Neville Chamberlain, who thought he could appease Hitler into peace. There are only two outcomes with Islam; either we win or they win.

[Shrike6]

Islam is incompatible with western values.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Thank you.

So let's back track a little more to when the Jews adopted that little piece of land in the '50s.

Better yet let's backtrack to the late 600 and see how Islam went to war with all other civilizations and cultures.

I love how people will blame America or western interference yet they forget that Islam has murdered over 100 million Hindus over the past few centuries and are doing so to conquer India.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by vetteman9368

Ok let's go back a little further;

Explain the Barbary Pirates or the Muslim expansion that led to the crusades......

These people hate us and seek to kill, convert, or enslave us, and they have sought that since the inception of their barbaric religion. It only takes a rudimentary understanding of Islam to understand that it has nothing to do with the Israeli state, our involvement in the Middle East or a YouTube video. It's their ideology that requires them to wage Jihad to bring about the caliphate and the 12th Imam, aka the end of the world. If you don't grasp that concept then you're no better than Neville Chamberlain, who thought he could appease Hitler into peace. There are only two outcomes with Islam; either we win or they win.

Hey, that's big picture.

Bonus points for the Chamberlain reference. That mofo got jobbed by Hitler.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by vetteman9368

Ok let's go back a little further;

Explain the Barbary Pirates or the Muslim expansion that led to the crusades......

These people hate us and seek to kill, convert, or enslave us, and they have sought that since the inception of their barbaric religion. It only takes a rudimentary understanding of Islam to understand that it has nothing to do with the Israeli state, our involvement in the Middle East or a YouTube video. It's their ideology that requires them to wage Jihad to bring about the caliphate and the 12th Imam, aka the end of the world. If you don't grasp that concept then you're no better than Neville Chamberlain, who thought he could appease Hitler into peace. There are only two outcomes with Islam; either we win or they win.

No argument here.
Someone needs to glass a few countries to get their attention apparently.
I'm all for it.

[69camfrk]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

No argument here.
Someone needs to glass a few countries to get their attention apparently.
I'm all for it.

Maybe Russia will have the balls to do it, and hell, even France has nukes, but you know already that they don't have the balls. Us on the other hand.....forget about it. We have absolutely zero leadership, and what we do have is sympathetic to those savages.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by vetteman9368

Ok let's go back a little further;

Explain the Barbary Pirates or the Muslim expansion that led to the crusades......

These people hate us and seek to kill, convert, or enslave us, and they have sought that since the inception of their barbaric religion. It only takes a rudimentary understanding of Islam to understand that it has nothing to do with the Israeli state, our involvement in the Middle East or a YouTube video. It's their ideology that requires them to wage Jihad to bring about the caliphate and the 12th Imam, aka the end of the world. If you don't grasp that concept then you're no better than Neville Chamberlain, who thought he could appease Hitler into peace. There are only two outcomes with Islam; either we win or they win.

I just have one question. After we sent the Marines in to put the kibosh on the Barbary pirates, what happened? Why didn't they continue to attack the US? All those years, up until about 1948 or so....nothing but crickets. Did they just get lazy?

George Washington, in his presidential farewell address, warned us about the exact policy we have pursued. He warned us not to get entangled in the drama of countries that are oceans away from us.

We should have followed this advice with regards to the Muslim nations....countries that don't share our values.....people who don't share our values.

Our best course would have been to follow Washington's advice. Become strong and prosperous, and vigorously defend ourselves, all without empire building or becoming the world's policeman. We followed this strategy when we firmly dealt with the Barbary pirates. Contrast that with our handling of the Somalian pirate problem. We failed to send an overwhelming message that US shipping is not to be touched. We sent a message of weakness, and we got more of the same from them.

Walk softly but carry a big stick wasn't a bad strategy.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by VITE1

Better yet let's backtrack to the late 600 and see how Islam went to war with all other civilizations and cultures.

I love how people will blame America or western interference yet they forget that Islam has murdered over 100 million Hindus over the past few centuries and are doing so to conquer India.

I don't disagree with you at all. I just argue that we have the luxury of geography, and we should have used it.

[Admiral Blue]

Originally Posted by Shrike6

Islam is incompatible with ANY values.

Fixed.

[Kerrmudgeon]

120 dead and counting....

God speed x 120.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

I just have one question. After we sent the Marines in to put the kibosh on the Barbary pirates, what happened? Why didn't they continue to attack the US? All those years, up until about 1948 or so....nothing but crickets. Did they just get lazy?

George Washington, in his presidential farewell address, warned us about the exact policy we have pursued. He warned us not to get entangled in the drama of countries that are oceans away from us.

We should have followed this advice with regards to the Muslim nations....countries that don't share our values.....people who don't share our values.

Our best course would have been to follow Washington's advice. Become strong and prosperous, and vigorously defend ourselves, all without empire building or becoming the world's policeman. We followed this strategy when we firmly dealt with the Barbary pirates. Contrast that with our handling of the Somalian pirate problem. We failed to send an overwhelming message that US shipping is not to be touched. We sent a message of weakness, and we got more of the same from them.

Walk softly but carry a big stick wasn't a bad strategy.

Nonsense. Islam hates EVERYONE who is not Muslim. No matter if we never set single military foot in the ME they still would hat us and try to kill us because we are not Muslim.

Look at India, Africa, Australia and SEA. All have Muslim radicals attacking them. And they have been attacking many of them for centuries.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Kerrmudgeon

120 dead and counting....

God speed x 120.

This is the shit we, as the West, are dealing with:

LiveLeak.com - Victims Bloodied on Floor after the Terrorist Attack in Paris at Bataclan Theatre

[Bill]

Originally Posted by VITE1

Nonsense. Islam hates EVERYONE who is not Muslim. No matter if we never set single military foot in the ME they still would hat us and try to kill us because we are not Muslim.

Look at India, Africa, Australia and SEA. All have Muslim radicals attacking them. And they have been attacking many of them for centuries.

Australia didn't have problems with them prior to 1948. As to the rest, I ask you....which continents are they on? Geography. Prior to 1948, with the notable exception of the Barbary pirate episode, the Americas didn't have the Muslim problem. In fact, Central and South America don't have the Muslim problem. Greenland doesn't have the Muslim problem. If those countries allow unchecked Muslim immigration, they WILL have those problems. If they get involved with the Middle East, they WILL have those problems, but as it stands now, they have the advantage of geography, just as we did, until we got involved over there.

France made three mistakes: they colonized Muslim areas, they allowed unchecked Muslim immigration from those areas, and they got involved in the Middle East.

[Jeff '79]

NHL, NBA, and NFL games are gun free zones.
You go to a game and your a sitting duck.