51% of Pubs believe Obama was not born in U.S.

[Exotix]

Do half of Republicans really think Obama is illegitimate president ?



Today ~ by Jay Bookman

Do half of Republicans really think Obama is illegitimate president? | Jay Bookman



According to Public Policy Polling, 51 percent of Republican primary voters don’t believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States.

Another 21 percent aren’t sure, and just 28 percent are willing to acknowledge that yes, Obama was born here.

I have no grounds on which to question the accuracy of the PPP numbers. But personally, I don’t believe they mean what they seem to mean.
I am not willing to accept that more than half of Republican voters truly believe something that crazy.



So here’s my best alternative explanation:

When Republican voters are asked where Obama was born, many don’t approach it as a question of objective fact.

They hear it as a test of tribal loyalty — do you side with Obama, or do you side with your fellow Republicans — and they answer it accordingly.
Tribal loyalty trumps all, even if it means pledging loyalty to something that on its face is ridiculous.



I think that happens on a lot of issues these days.

Global warming is another.

In 21st century America, global warming is not a scientific issue to be debated in terms of CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere or the thickness of Arctic ice.

It has become an issue of cultural allegiance.

It is a tribal marker, a means of dividing us from them, and you can no more reason somebody into changing sides than you can reason a Yankee fan into rooting for the Red Sox.

For that reason, it can never be resolved and compromise has become impossible.



Even conservative politicians who know better

Newt Gingrich, John McCain, Mike Huckabee, all of whom at one point have acknowledged the reality of manmade climate change — have recanted.

They know what the data say, but they also know that their tribe has concluded that climate change is a fraud perpetrated by a global scientific conspiracy to bring down capitalism.

So they have sided with their tribe.

Now, politics has always had an element of tribalism to it, and it always will.

Any endeavor in which one group of people competes against another will at some level arouse instincts to side with “our people” and against “those people”.
As human beings, we find those instincts deeply satisfying, and if you don’t believe me, take a seat in the stands at a Georgia-Georgia Tech football game.

But for some reason — perhaps because it is at root a movement of the besieged — American conservatism is particularly responsive to calls on tribal loyalty.



Just last weekend, House Speaker John Boehner was asked repeatedly whether he would challenge those in his party who believe that Obama was not born here.

Boehner, the most powerful Republican leader in the country, declined to take the lead.
“”It’s not my job to tell the American people what to think,” he said.
“The American people have the right to think what they want to think.”



What he really meant was, the tribe has spoken.




Sen. Orrin Hatch, appearing at a CPAC forum late last week, offers a more poignant example.

Hatch is up for re-election next year, and a new poll shows him with the support of just 44 percent of Utah voters in a Republican primary.

Among those voters who call themselves very conservative, Hatch trails U.S. Rep. Jason Chaffetz by 51-35 percent.

Despite a lifetime of conservatism, Hatch is under attack from the right because in 2008, as Wall Street teetered on collapse, he voted in favor of the TARP bailouts.
At last week’s forum, Hatch apologized profusely for the vote and called it a mistake.

“Not a lot of people are willing to say they’re sorry,” he said.
“But I will.”

Yet in that same appearance, Hatch also felt the need to explain himself:

“Under the circumstances at that time, we were going down,” the senator said.
“Let me tell you, we were going down.
The secretary of the treasury said this is what had to be done ….
If it had taken my vote, the 51st vote, to stop us from going into a depression, I would have done it anyway.”

In other words, doing the smart thing in order to avert a major depression was a mistake and Hatch now wants to be forgiven for it.

He saw his close friend and colleague, former Sen. Robert Bennett, voted off Republican Island last year, and he doesn’t want it to happen to him.

He wants back in his tribe’s good graces.

Now, maybe I’m wrong about all this.
But if so, I’d like to see a better explanation.

I just refuse to accept that so many Republicans truly are as daffy as Orly Taitz.





Public Policy Polling ~ Huckabee tops GOP field, 51% are birthers and love Palin

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...se_US_0215.pdf





Ok, this explains CPAC ... you ain't getting voted in unless you're a base-appeasing wacko ..

[mrvette]

Simple questions, and NO bullshit about them....provide ALL the documents like every other significant poly tick person does....

just WHAT makes this bastard to freggin' special.....???


until then, and ONLY then.....he is hiding something of monumental proportions....and honestly I hope he IS.....and that it comes OUT.....

What is the POINT of hiding all that shit, ?? seriously?? WHY??

he like the Al Capone of poly ticks....

[Exotix]

Originally Posted by mrvette

Simple questions, and NO bullshit about them....provide ALL the documents like every other significant poly tick person does....

just WHAT makes this bastard to freggin' special.....???


until then, and ONLY then.....he is hiding something of monumental proportions....and honestly I hope he IS.....and that it comes OUT.....

What is the POINT of hiding all that shit, ?? seriously?? WHY??

he like the Al Capone of poly ticks....

You have a point ... I still often wonder about the POTUS vote count in 2000 & 2004 to this day ... and America's destiny today had the neocons not come in ...

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by mrvette

Simple questions, and NO bullshit about them....provide ALL the documents like every other significant poly tick person does....

just WHAT makes this bastard to freggin' special.....???


until then, and ONLY then.....he is hiding something of monumental proportions....and honestly I hope he IS.....and that it comes OUT.....

What is the POINT of hiding all that shit, ?? seriously?? WHY??

he like the Al Capone of poly ticks....

I think it's likely directly related to his school information being on such tight lock down.

Regardless of where he's really from, I would be willing to be he got some assistance paying for Harvard registered from out of the country.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

I think it's likely directly related to his school information being on such tight lock down.

Regardless of where he's really from, I would be willing to be he got some assistance paying for Harvard registered from out of the country.

Yup, which is why it's hidden, and there is no REAL B/Cert from Hawaii......

Seems others have come up with more real b/certs of the time period in question and they have a totally different appearance.....

even my Md, B/C I had to come up with to renew my FLORIDA d/license last march was generated by vital stats in Md, and looked like the one that must have been tossed in one of my crazy moves between houses over the years....

so something certainly don't add up, that's for sure.....

[6spdC6]

For sure he is hiding something very interesting in his back ground. By hiding everything he can it makes it easier to cover the bad item. Call it camouflage if you want its working, SO FAR!

[Exotix]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

For sure he is hiding something very interesting in his back ground. By hiding everything he can it makes it easier to cover the bad item. Call it camouflage if you want its working, SO FAR!

Another good point ... I believe it's not only called hiding in plain site ... but how does one spend his entire life as a socialist/communist/national socialist fascist muslim terrorist n*word witchdoctor with a bone through his nose so to later emerge as the Joker ...

.... to conspire to do this since being born in Kenya (where is that Kenyan birth certificate anyway) takes more moxy than ... say ... 9/11 troofers only requiring that the invasion of Iraq because of Saddam Bin Ladens' WMD's as the only neccessary proof you need that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld did commit 9/11 so that they are in fact high-treason traitors and war criminals ...

[Exotix]

dupe post

[Scissors]

We know that McCain wasn't born in the U.S. Not that it matters since he was a natural born citizen (as in a citizen due to a circumstance of birth--namely having at least one U.S. citizen parent).

[Exotix]

Originally Posted by Scissors

We know that McCain wasn't born in the U.S. Not that it matters since he was a natural born citizen (as in a citizen due to a circumstance of birth--namely having at least one U.S. citizen parent).

You mean the Panama Canal Zone ?
I thought that was part of the 57 states ?

[ChasC5]

I wonder if any of these Chest Beating, Flag Waving, God Fearing, Patriotic Americans, would look a United States Secrete Service Officer or a Federal Bureau of Investigation Agent in the face and tell them that don’t know how to do their job?

The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu. . . . The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: “This has gotten ridiculous,” state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. “There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy.” . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? “I hope so,” Fukino said. “We need to get some work done.”

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[RetiredSFC 97]

Now who started this ugly rumor bam bam wasn't born in hawaii.

Hmm who could it be. I know I know, it was you bozos.

And who keeps yapping about it? Hmm, I know I know, it was you bozos yet again.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by RetiredSFC 97

Now who started this ugly rumor bam bam wasn't born in hawaii.

Hmm who could it be. I know I know, it was you bozos.

And who keeps yapping about it? Hmm, I know I know, it was you bozos yet again.

Yea right, Members of The Vet Barn started this … just keep saying that to yourself.

[RetiredSFC 97]

Poor liberals started this ugly rumor bam bam wasn't born in the US and now they're crying like little girls.

You should direct your anger to the dems for this travesty. Or just keep yapping about it if you want. It's fun to read!

[Exotix]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

Yea right, Members of The Vet Barn started this … just keep saying that to yourself.

He thinks CPAC is actually a Dem conspiracy ... serious, both Beckerhead & Fatbo have said so ...

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by Exotix

He thinks CPAC is actually a Dem conspiracy ... serious, both Beckerhead & Fatbo have said so ...

He has to be embarrassing to the Neocons

[RetiredSFC 97]

I would ask who is the pivot man today but I see you're just yanking back and forth.

OK then, back to where the grownups are. Have fun and don't get any on ya.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by RetiredSFC 97

I would ask who is the pivot man today but I see you're just yanking back and forth.

OK then, back to where the grownups are. Have fun and don't get any on ya.

[RetiredSFC 97]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

Got something on your chin there buddy

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by RetiredSFC 97

Got something on your chin there buddy

It's called a Gotee, a thing the Men can grow. Ask your Mommy.