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our world is full of symbols. symbols that mean something to people who see them, and many symbols have different meanings to different people.
the nazi swastika was used by the US army before WW2, and other cultures dating back several hundred years, but took on evil implications due to Hitler. http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10007453 if you read thru some of Dan Brown's books, he notes other symbols that have been around for 1000s of years, and used by different cultures over time. now we are again arguing about old symbols and what they mean to different people. confederate battle flags? many southerners are quite proud of their ancestor's gallant service during the Civil War. others see it as a symbol of oppression - oppression that no longer officially exists. a symbol only has the power you give it. if you ignore it, don't react to it, those promoting and using it lose their power to intimidate over you. want to wave an old flag? knock yourself out. what a lovely old bed sheet you have there, some might say. Christian cross? Christians know and embrace it, in all it's forms and iterations, but Muslims and Jews either hate it or don't understand it's meaning. things don't define who you are and what you believe, your heart and character do. if you don't want to be treated as an ass, a jerk, as unlearned, then educate yourself. work hard, provide for yourself and your family. end of morning ramblings. Last edited by DAB; 06-24-2015 at 8:58am. Reason: added linky |
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I read this yesterday. I think it's worth the cross post.
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Maybe the most well known symbol. And I believe I read that it's the most used on tattoos. (quick quiz = where does the custom of a cross tattoo come from?)
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want to have an interesting conversation? discuss the Christian cross with a Morman.
yeah, that was an interesting afternoon visit. |
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Well written...
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if the new standard is we should only honor and celebrate those without sin.....we'll have a very small list of place names we can use for streets/cities/mountains/schools....
everyone has problems in their past. you can find fault with anyone. but the ability to take larger offense than others can put you in charge - tyranny. 'i'm offended by what you say/do/think, therefore you have to stop and say/do/think what i tell you is proper.' not the world i want to live in. |
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Speaking of cymbals... 1 Corithians 13:1 -I may speak in the tongues of men, even angels; but if I lack love, I have become merely blaring brass or a cymbal clanging. |
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I recall a recent discussion over lawn jockeys and what they symbolize to people. It really sucks that as a kid, I had no thoughts about lawn jockeys anymore than I did a stone lion or a birdbath. It was just an ornament. It was not until someone made me believe it was wrong, that I made any racial connection. All my young years, I simply thought it was a guy that guided horses around and used a lantern if it was dark. When it was in a yard, I thought it was used to guide guests to the home.
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good discussion.
those who wish to exert power over you will use symbols against you. even ones that have no special meaning to you. tyranny takes many forms. you rich? they will tell you that your wealth is a symbol of your cheating the poor, and therefore, you should give it to their favorite entity - government - so .gov can pass it around better (minus some modest handling charges of course). symbols are strong things. |
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This whole issues is now going into a tailspin. I just watched a news story discussing name changes for schools such as "Robert E Lee".
There are people asking that civil war memorials be taken down...only SOUTHERN ones however. This is what happens when you crack the door. The ripple effect and subsequent flood cannot be held back. The dam has now been breached. In addition, it does not resolve, it divides. Now an issue that was semi-silently polarizing or perhaps not even considered, has a line drawn right down the middle. I bought three flags yesterday not because I needed them, or especially wanted them, but because I was concerned they will be erased from existence and I am being told, slowly but surely, I can't have one. |
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been ME having one, I'd painted the face/whatever white.....just for shits and giggles.....in FACT I saw one that had been done to, many years later..... |
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in the Plaza in downtown Santa Fe, just south of the Palace of the Governors (old state capitol, now a museum, dates to 1610) is a small open area, and in the center is a monument with text on bronze plaques. below an old plaque is a new plaque, explaining that the old text reflected the times it was written, but may not now reflect the views of current society.
you don't need to be like the Taliban and ISIS and tear down whatever offends you today. leave it be, but have a discussion about what our predecessors did and why, and put up your own version of history next to it. |
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My great grandfather escaped from Russia and my great grandmother smuggled out a Russian cross. I believe these crosses were illegal to own when they escaped. It is just a chunk of metal, but it represented something so much more to them. Freedom of expression and the suppression of choice.
I have no idea what the monetary value is, but the value within the family is very high. |
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awesome.
and here, in the land of the free, you don't have to worry about .gov storming your house late at night, without cause, and rooting thru all your stuff looking for 'contraband' that the state doesn't like today. |
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Yes, but unfortunately there are efforts to accomplish the same thing without such immediate action. The result is the same but the subtlety is almost like a magician getting you to watch his left hand while he does something with his right.
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My folks help found the Russian church on Mass. Ave NW, right next to the Greek Orthodox church and the old Naval Observatory, now home of the Vice Prez for many years now....and many old Russian church crosses were around the houses, churches,...... |
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