Zimmerman - you guys SUCK!!

[slewfoot]

I caught a piece of it the other day. That one young prosecution witness can even read.

[RED-85-Z51]

That was pretty funny...the letter she was asked to read ,was written..BY HER, to TRAYVONS MOTHER. She wrote it in Cursive...then, 16 months later, under oath, says she cant read cursive...

Ill bet if he slid a menu in front of her that said, in cursive "Free open bar in the lobby"..her ass would have booked out of there with the quickness.

[Cybercowboy]

Did you guys catch the part of Rachel's testimony where Don West asked her if all the texts between her and Trayvon were from her and she said no? He repeated the question three times and got the same response (amazing actually considering.) This goes to the very high likelihood that there are actually two "Dee Dees" and this one isn't the primary, actual Dee Dee (I mean, Rachel? Diamond? Come the fcuk on.)

Crump was very careful to always tie the phantom of Dee Dee to a phone number. I think the defense is going to call her back and start hammering on this part of her testimony. If not her, who else was texting Trayvon on that phone? Then let's get her on the stand, because I promise you that the prosecution doesn't want anybody talking to her!

[Blademaker]

Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51

Ill bet if he slid a menu in front of her that said, in cursive "Free open bar in the lobby"..her ass would have booked out of there with the quickness.

[RED-85-Z51]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Did you guys catch the part of Rachel's testimony where Don West asked her if all the texts between her and Trayvon were from her and she said no? He repeated the question three times and got the same response (amazing actually considering.) This goes to the very high likelihood that there are actually two "Dee Dees" and this one isn't the primary, actual Dee Dee (I mean, Rachel? Diamond? Come the fcuk on.)

Crump was very careful to always tie the phantom of Dee Dee to a phone number. I think the defense is going to call her back and start hammering on this part of her testimony. If not her, who else was texting Trayvon on that phone? Then let's get her on the stand, because I promise you that the prosecution doesn't want anybody talking to her!

I was waiting for the "we dumped his phone and found 300 nude pics of you on there"

The jury would have all committed suicide...

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51

I was waiting for the "we dumped his phone and found 300 nude pics of you on there"

The jury would have all committed suicide...

No, the real Dee Dee is probably much more attractive than Rachel. For some reason the State does not want the defense to know who this person is. Last August the State drove Rachel to Jacksonville, interviewed her for some mysterious reason, and didn't tell the defense anything about it. When it came up that the fake hospital stay was found out in this August interview, the defense went ballistic! They weren't told about this for something like 10 months! When they try to probe into what actually occurred in that interview, the State changes the subject.

Remember, Rachel said she knew Trayvon because "he comes around my area", to "see friends." The real Dee Dee lives close to Rachel, and Rachel is friends with this Dee Dee. The real Dee Dee did not want to testify (or they didn't want her to testify), so the phone was given to Rachel and pressure was put on her mother by Sybrina (probably using her job at HUD as ammo) to get Rachel to go along with their little scheme. They needed an arrest, so they needed to create some media evidence.

At any rate, it will be worth outing this scheme to put a big dent into their ability to continue to extort money from various entities. Bernie de la Rionda is in big trouble for this thing, and he knows it.

[C5SilverBullet]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Did you guys catch the part of Rachel's testimony where Don West asked her if all the texts between her and Trayvon were from her and she said no? He repeated the question three times and got the same response (amazing actually considering.) This goes to the very high likelihood that there are actually two "Dee Dees" and this one isn't the primary, actual Dee Dee (I mean, Rachel? Diamond? Come the fcuk on.)

Crump was very careful to always tie the phantom of Dee Dee to a phone number. I think the defense is going to call her back and start hammering on this part of her testimony. If not her, who else was texting Trayvon on that phone? Then let's get her on the stand, because I promise you that the prosecution doesn't want anybody talking to her!

That truly is amazing.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by NeedSpeed

They only know what happened. Zimmer caused it, was told not to follow by 911, then was self defense because he got his ass beat.

and all along, Zimmerman stated he did not "continue to follow"

HANNITY: What did you do from that moment forward? Because this is where we get into this minute gap in this case, you know, and what did you do from that minute forward when the dispatch said "we don't need you to follow him?" What did you do next?

ZIMMERMAN: I walked across the sidewalk on to my street, Retreat View Circle, where I thought I would meet a police officer that I had called.

HANNITY: So you did not continue to follow him at that point?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. No, sir.

HANNITY: All right. So you continue from there, you sounded at that moment on the tape, though, a little bit distracted. What was the distraction? Were you looking for him, or?


HANNITY: How long was it, George, after that, that you saw Trayvon again? Because you said you stopped, that you did not continue pursuing him. When did you next see Trayvon Martin?

ZIMMERMAN: Less than 30 seconds.

HANNITY: OK. Where were you? Where exactly were you at that point, and how far away were you from your car at that moment?

ZIMMERMAN: I'd guess about 100 feet or more.

HANNITY: So you never went further than how far approximately from your car?

ZIMMERMAN: I would estimate it to be approximately 100 feet.

HANNITY: So you never went further than that from the car?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir.

HANNITY: OK. And so at that point, Trayvon is -- all of a sudden you turned around and there he was?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.

HANNITY: What happened next?

ZIMMERMAN: He asked me what my problem was.

HANNITY: Expletive problem?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir. And I was wearing a rain jacket, and I had put my cell phone in my jacket pocket, as opposed to my jeans pocket where I normally keep it. And I immediately went to grab my phone to this time call 911 instead of a non-emergency, and when I reached into my pants pocket -- because that's where I keep it out of habit -- it wasn't there, and I was shocked. I looked up and he punched me and broke my nose.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51

I was waiting for the "we dumped his phone and found 300 nude pics of you on there"

The jury would have all committed suicide...

The jurors who thought Trayvon was a 12-year-old in a red Hollister shirt are probably wondering why he has a 250-lb 33-year-old girlfriend.

[VITE1]

IMHO they were both idiots. Both are paying the price for being idiots. The real question is did Zim break the law. That's up for discussion based on the evidence available( or thought to be evidence ).

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

and all along, Zimmerman stated he did not "continue to follow"

I know. And the NEN operator testified that he asked Zimmerman if he could keep an eye on the man, and didn't even know that Zimmerman was in a vehicle. The NEN operator also asked for a street address, and that led Zimmerman to where he was when he was confronted by Trayvon.

So much misinformation in this whole thing. The whole meme that he disobeyed orders by the police is utter bullshit.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by VITE1

IMHO they were both idiots. Both are paying the price for being idiots. The real question is did Zim break the law. That's up for discussion based on the evidence available( or thought to be evidence ).

I would have done much the same thing that Zimmerman did in similar circumstances. I do not understand the whole "he was an idiot" thing. Well, I guess I do. It's the way people are now stating their opinion on this case when, back 15 months ago, anybody sticking up for Zimmerman was a skinhead nazi racist. It's like "OK, so Zimmerman probably was telling the truth, but he was an idiot for doing whatever."

Whatever.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

I would have done much the same thing that Zimmerman did in similar circumstances. I do not understand the whole "he was an idiot" thing. Well, I guess I do. It's the way people are now stating their opinion on this case when, back 15 months ago, anybody sticking up for Zimmerman was a skinhead nazi racist. It's like "OK, so Zimmerman probably was telling the truth, but he was an idiot for doing whatever."

Whatever.

I would have and have followed people in neighborhoods I have lived in where criminal active had recently happened.

Zim was an idiot because he got jumped. If you are Going to actively follow someone who you THINK may be looking to commit a crime don't get jumped. by that person.

Trayvon was an idiot because he confronted someone following him in a neighborhood he was not familiar with. He should have hightailed it to his Dad's house or Called the police if he felt he was in danger.

[RED-85-Z51]

aNNother point to make...

GZ has a BMI of like 31.5%....he is legally considered OBESE, and "non-athletic" and "out of shape"...

Treyvon was...17, had played football, was slender...and strong but did not have muscular bulk. He was noted as having been in multiple fights and was into "MMA Action"...

GZ had a busted nose, busted face, multiple cuts to the back of his head and ALOT of swelling from trauma...

To avoid issues..Treyvon could have EASILY evaded GZ...and any confrontation between them would have to be at the choice of Trayvon.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51

aNNother point to make...

GZ has a BMI of like 31.5%....he is legally considered OBESE, and "non-athletic" and "out of shape"...

Treyvon was...17, had played football, was slender...and strong but did not have muscular bulk. He was noted as having been in multiple fights and was into "MMA Action"...

GZ had a busted nose, busted face, multiple cuts to the back of his head and ALOT of swelling from trauma...

To avoid issues..Treyvon could have EASILY evaded GZ...and any confrontation between them would have to be at the choice of Trayvon.

Well of course, all of this is obvious common sense. Something that apparently is in great shortage in low-information voter land. Maybe it's time to give them neat little sound bytes to help them come to their senses.

If the scalp is split, you must acquit!

[ft laud mike]

Originally Posted by Knooger

I haven't followed that at all either, just what I see posted on forums. Hell, I don't watch TV at all, except for DVD movies. I choose to piss away all my time on the Internet rather than on TV. News is all sensationalized bullshit not worth watching anyway.

Cat porn?....

[8Up]

Originally Posted by NeedSpeed

I hadn't watched the trial. They only know what happened. Zimmer caused it, was told not to follow by 911, then was self defense because he got his ass beat.

So idk.

That's pretty much how I see it.

[ZipZap]

Originally Posted by Olustee bus

On day two, Martins friend testified that he called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracka". No word was mentioned of Martins "mindset". In my opinion, the defence should have pounced on Martins "mindset". The only thing that the cnn idiot's said was that because Zimmerman was following Martin, zimmerman must have been the aggressor.

Defense was very smart not to touch this. Any "mindset" questions would at best be answered with conjecture, and likely disallowed under objection since he can't be there to answer for himself. Defense wanted to introduce hard evidence that might reflect his general mindset (guns, dope, fighting) in the form of pictures and they were not allowed to do so.

[RedLS1GTO]

It's very simple... it doesn't matter at all what the truth is. They don't care. They WANT it to be about some racism towards blacks so they can reinforce the bullshit self righteous ignorance that fuels them.

Facts don't matter. Since they have absolutely zero chance of winning any debate whatsoever based on reason and logic, their only argument is to demonize any and all who disagree with them. That is all you see in these pathetically biased reports. Without the delusionally self claimed sense of moral superiority, they have absolutely nothing left.

Not at all different than some here.

[Loco Vette]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

It's very simple... it doesn't matter at all what the truth is. They don't care. They WANT it to be about some racism towards blacks so they can reinforce the bullshit self righteous ignorance that fuels them.

Facts don't matter. Since they have absolutely zero chance of winning any debate whatsoever based on reason and logic, their only argument is to demonize any and all who disagree with them. That is all you see in these pathetically biased reports. Without the delusionally self claimed sense of moral superiority, they have absolutely nothing left.

Not at all different than some here.