{Merged} NASCAR - Kenseth gets hit

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by island14

Yeah they probably did, but still surprising.

Any serious engine builder would weigh and balance each piston, each wrist pin, and each connecting rod separately.

Kinda and ABC connect the dots part of putting a race engine together.

Makes me wonder how or if this guy will keep his job...

I'd be willing to be they all skirt that line...they just happened to get caught this time.

[Doug28450]

Originally Posted by Mirroredshades

Because the con rods were too light ? I bet half the cars out there are guilty of that.

None of them won.

[RedLS1GTO]

Rules are rules. When things are THAT competitive, every tiny minute detail matters.

The "big" infraction that Penske just got hit with similar penalties for amounted to nothing more than a hole in a bracket being slightly out of round. It was so close in fact that the individual part passed (but the assembly failed).

The 12 car... with the SAME PARTS actually passed because they were assembled a few hundredths from how the 22 and 2 were.

[Ms.Gem]

I just think it sucks that Kenseth gets hit with such a hard penalty. What is he suppose to do go weigh everything before each race to make sure there isn't a screw up? He's there to drive.

[Punk Boy]

Originally Posted by Ms.Gem

I just think it sucks that Kenseth gets hit with such a hard penalty. What is he suppose to do go weigh everything before each race to make sure there isn't a screw up? He's there to drive.

who is supposed to get the penalty then?

[Ms.Gem]

Originally Posted by Punk Boy

who is supposed to get the penalty then?

Crew chief

[Kerrmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Ms.Gem

I just think it sucks that Kenseth gets hit with such a hard penalty. What is he suppose to do go weigh everything before each race to make sure there isn't a screw up? He's there to drive.

It's a TEAM, as goes one part, so does the other. They tear down all winners, and this is a pretty rookie mistake in my mind. He should have lay back to second!

[Ms.Gem]

Originally Posted by Kerrmudgeon

It's a TEAM, as goes one part, so does the other. They tear down all winners, and this is a pretty rookie mistake in my mind. He should have lay back to second!

Eh I still think any driver (unless it's Kyle)shouldn't get hit with a chief mistake. But that's just my opinion.

[Kerrmudgeon]

Originally Posted by lefthander

Does anyone on here think that one pushrod being to light would significantly increase the performance on an 800 HP engine.? The penalty for Gibbs Racing and Matt Kenseth is way to severe for that infraction. No wonder NASCAR is losing fans and interest.Another example of the ivory tower believing they are omnipotent and all knowing driving a good thing into the ground.

Not pushrods.......it was for light connecting rods, and yes the motor will rev faster with lighter ones......

(Only magnetic steel connecting rods with a minimum weight of 525.0 grams will be permitted; connecting rod failed to meet the minimum connecting rod weight) of the 2013 rule book.

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by Ms.Gem

Eh I still think any driver (unless it's Kyle)shouldn't get hit with a chief mistake. But that's just my opinion.

Win as a team, lose as a team.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Not in the spirit of the rules, nor the intent.

The intent seems pretty clear. You have to draw the line SOMEWHERE right? That's what the rules do. They draw the line.

[Ms.Gem]

Originally Posted by Entropy

Win as a team, lose as a team.

I'd beat my team member if he screwed me that way.

[Rapid Roger]

Originally Posted by island14

It means who ever assembled it, did not do their job when balancing.

If anything it hurt the performance of the engine.

Exactly....There are 28.35 grams in an ounce so we are talking about 3/28ths of an ounce.This,as you say was probably a balancing error and did nothing to improve performance,in fact probably acted as a detriment.

I'm wondering if there is more to this story................

[NeedSpeed]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

That'd be my guess....Wow 3 grams.

That's a 0.6% weight advantage . . . rounding up.

[CBonsall]

in this case it was the outsourced engine builder. trd built it, but still crew chief is responsible for the car.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by NeedSpeed

That's a 0.6% weight advantage . . . rounding up.

... and last season Kesalowski won a championship in very large part because the Penske cars got about 1% better fuel mileage than the rest.

When the competition is that tight, EVERY little bit matters. The rules are very clear with absolutely zero ambiguity in this case. They were out of spec. They got caught.

With regards to the sourced engine, it would be 1 thing if it was a NASCAR mandated purchase, but it isn't. For instance Robbie Gordon's team bought a NASCAR mandated nose last year (maybe 2 ago) that failed tech. They were allowed to swap the part with no penalty.

The Toyota teams get the engines from TRD, as in from Toyota and I guarantee that JGR has a LOT of influence within TRD. It is not like they got it from an open source that supplies engines to everybody...

[NeedSpeed]

Maybe they should have gotta tip from the pros

[carlton_fritz]

Originally Posted by Punk Boy

who is supposed to get the penalty then?

Kyle Busch.

[Rapid Roger]

Originally Posted by Kerrmudgeon

Not pushrods.......it was for light connecting rods, and yes the motor will rev faster with lighter ones......

True.....If they all weigh the same......If they don't....Not so much...........

[Ms.Gem]

Originally Posted by carlton_fritz

Kyle Busch.