Presidential Candidate

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

... myself would like GJ to win.

As long as someone else does the work to support him.

I can't tell you how many Trump and Hillary supporters tell me they would rather have GJ, but "I fear that would let ________ win." Seriously, I hear it from both sides. It would be comical if it weren't so tragic. IMO, Johnson is clearly the best of the three choices, but his numbers are held down by fear, indoctrination, and confirmation bias of the party faithful.

I disagree with Craig about Trump's electability, though. I think he will win in a landslide. I think there is huge support for him based on

1) He's not Hillary first and foremost
2) He has the R next to his name
3) Just because he's ****ing with the establishment.

Me? I sent my message to the 'pub establishment in the primary.

[Olustee bus]

"A border with actual security, with border agents that actually arrest and return anyone that makes it across the border illegally, will of course work. Surveillance systems are quite sophisticated in 2016. Instead of 100,000/month streaming over the border, it can be essentially zero. This isn't really all that hard. Most of the crossings happen over just several hundred miles. Beef the security up there first, and then use drones/night vision to secure the vast desert areas. Tunnels aren't really a factor but can be easily detected with modern technology."

Yep, and for God's sake, lets do something other than think about it.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Waco

I don't think anyone is doing that here in this thread, however, you'll note there are a lot of threads attacking Hillary, very few attacking Trump.

I don't like either of them in the slightest, and it pains me that everyone is falling into the two party trap. I hope eyes will be opened if we can get Johnson into the debates!

Are you kidding me? If anything Gary Johnson is worse than Hillary on border security and illegal immigration. He literally had a meltdown because the interviewer used the term "illegal immigration". It was like watching a college SJW getting triggered and heading to their safe space.

If I absolutely hated the two other candidates, I still couldn't support Johnson because of that alone. I mean, come on!

Trump might be a hothead, so I'll vote for a guy who will double down on open borders, amnesty, and just guarantee anybody right of Obama will never be elected nationally ever again. Yup, makes total sense.

And you don't like the two party system, and are rejecting the candidate that just completed a hostile takeover of one of those two parties, and if he gets elected he'll be able to actually get rid of a lot of the rot in the GOP. Whereas you are voting for unicorns.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

He literally had a meltdown because the interviewer used the term "illegal immigration".

Meltdown? No.

Did you get his point? Was he lying?

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoog

Meltdown? No.

Did you get his point? Was he lying?

Oh, I get his point all right. And I will never vote for an open-border let's just amnesty them all they just want a better life they couldn't get in any other way let's focus on other things politician.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by Hoog

Meltdown? No.

Did you get his point? Was he lying?

The pix of FB on this topic, certainly looks like he melted down, but whatever, the point is that he is pro illegals/islamics/more immigration......that is a HUGE NEGATIVE!!!!!!

[78SA]

I watched the video. He was really upset about the term. I liked the interviewer got him to admit it's a correct term. The guy has lost me based on his attack over a completely correct term.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Oh, I get his point all right. And I will never vote for an open-border let's just amnesty them all they just want a better life they couldn't get in any other way let's focus on other things politician.

That's a misrepresentation of his position, but I suspect you know that.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by 78SA

I watched the video. He was really upset about the term. I liked the interviewer got him to admit it's a correct term. The guy has lost me based on his attack over a completely correct term.

Millions of Hispanics thank you for deciding that "illegal immigrant" isn't offensive just because it is technically correct.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Hoog

As long as someone else does the work to support him.

I deal in reality; it's pre-ordained how a 3rd party candidate will do in this election. You're aking me to disregard the facts and historical record; while generally on here and CF... one gets bashed for doing that.

I can't tell you how many Trump and Hillary supporters tell me they would rather have GJ, but "I fear that would let ________ win."

I cant tell you how many times I've tried to educate those that don't understand... that one candidate is being considered a much more serious threat to our freedoms and liberties - over all the other candidates; and the voters are now planning the best route for defeat of this person.

if you are not rallying behind a candidate that's in the best position at defeating Hillary.... then you don't consider her as all that bad for the country; 4 to 8 years of her is not going to be that big of deal.
And that's fine if you think that way, just come out and say it... "she's not all that bad".

And, we are not protected by seperation of powers any more; Obama side-stepped a lot of certain rejection votes from the Senate by simple inking
Executive Orders. Hillary will write a couple per week, all destined to further limit freedoms, while taking money out of your paycheck to buy votes with.

There's a reason why people think "I fear that would let ________ win." Hillary has a life long track record at being a slick, dishonest, socialist leaning poiltician; the person in best position at defeating her has no record of this.

It's still the lesser of two evils; where one of the evils is so extreme and predicatbly harmful to our wallets and freedonms that many have switched into full out "defeat mode".

If GJ were the republican nominee, it would be completely different for him (as he would then be considered Hillarys best chance at defeat).

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoog

That's a misrepresentation of his position, but I suspect you know that.

I could argue with you, or just let people decide for themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=_hoM_TfkCcI

Literally GJ is to the left of Obama of border policy. He's upset that Obama deported 2 million over the last 7 years. Ho boy, he's our guy!

Edit: Also want to point out that Trump has never said that work visas and background checks can't be used to allow migrant workers into the USA. Quite the contrary. GJ acts like that's simply out the door in Trump's immigration policy. No, it's not. And Bill Clinton deported over 12 million during his two terms. I guess he just drug them kicking and screaming out of their homes.

For crying out loud, when I watch this 10 minute video I just want to scream "Dude! WTF? Do you think this is actually what Americans want? Really?" Well, some do I guess. If you're a person who relies on very cheap labor, pays under the table below minimum wage, or wants this country to be socialist in the worst way...yeah.

[Hoog]

Where in that video does he say amnesty for all? I'll wait....

He's talking about easier work visas (which documents who is here) and a path to citizenship for those that have a clean record. He is on record for getting the "bad guys" out of the country, but not through some mass deportation (which even Trump is backing away from).

....the establishment of our new lawful immigration system then and only then will we be in a position to consider the appropriate disposition of those individuals who remain.That discussion can take place only in an atmosphere in which illegal immigration is a memory of the past, no longer with us, allowing us to weigh the different options available based on the new circumstances at the time.

Based on the commonly accepted numbers he would deport as criminals, the "individuals that remain" would be just about 7-8 million people.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

I deal in reality; it's pre-ordained how a 3rd party candidate will do in this election.

The reality is you and those like you are the one's doing the ordaining.

You're aking me to disregard the facts and historical record;

I've already shown your citing "historical record" is bullshit.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoog

Where in that video does he say amnesty for all? I'll wait....

And this is what's so aggravating. What part about having an open southern border, that had led to several waves of amnesty, is hard to understand. All it takes is one more time. That's it, the tipping point.

He's talking about easier work visas (which documents who is here) and a path to citizenship for those that have a clean record. He is on record for getting the "bad guys" out of the country, but not through some mass deportation (which even Trump is backing away from).

Trump's policy all boils down to stopping the influx and getting rid of the criminals. The rest, well, yes I want to see anchor babies done away with (we are the only country that has this insane policy) and I want all immigrants here, illegal or legal, to go through a process that vets them and ensures that we're not letting in just anyone. That's not asking too much, is it? Apparently it is for some.

Based on the commonly accepted numbers he would deport as criminals, the "individuals that remain" would be just about 7-8 million people.

Gary Johnson's watered down stance on immigration sounds pretty much like Hillary's in 2006. He doesn't really GAF about immigration in general. There's one candidate that does. Meanwhile, 10,000 Syrian homebuilders are being placed into Detroit soon, each with an arsenal of wood-working tools I'm sure.

[78SA]

Originally Posted by Hoog

Millions of Hispanics thank you for deciding that "illegal immigrant" isn't offensive just because it is technically correct.

That's like calling someone a murderer after he murders someone and it being offensive to the murderer.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

I want all immigrants here, illegal or legal, to go through a process that vets them and ensures that we're not letting in just anyone. That's not asking too much, is it? Apparently it is for some.

Did you actually listen to what Johnson said in the video you posted? He covered that point, and a means to tax their income.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by 78SA

That's like calling someone a murderer after he murders someone and it being offensive to the murderer.

Not quite, but if that confirms your bias, run with it.

[78SA]

Originally Posted by Hoog

Not quite, but if that confirms your bias, run with it.

Nice to know you like criminals. Nice to know you think only Hispanics can be illegal immigrants. Sleep with it.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by 78SA

Nice to know you like criminals. Nice to know you think only Hispanics can be illegal immigrants. Sleep with it.

The context of the video was Hispanics, was it not?

[78SA]

Originally Posted by Hoog

The context of the video was Hispanics, was it not?

I'd have to watch it again but you stated only Hispanics and left out every other nationality. There are a lot of Hispanics that don't like illegal immigrant either. the only ones that support it are the ones that benefit from it.