illegals are simply coming to the United States for “work"...

[lspencer534]

Actually, 87% of households headed by an illegal alien with children are on some form of government assistance. Illegal immigrant households primarily benefit from food programs and Medicaid through their US-born children.

A Country cannot survive when individuals milk the system’s resources rather than pay into it.

Eighty-Seven Percent Of Illegal-Alien Households With Children Are On Government Assistance - Conservative Country

[VITE1]

The even bigger fact that people ignore is the illegals who are working are taking the jobs we pay Americans not to take.

It's time to end all means tested entitlements AND birth right citizenship to those here illegally.

The let whomever wishes to come here to work hard and succeed to do so and let Darwinism take it's course.

[Strats-N-Vettes]

Originally Posted by VITE1

The even bigger fact that people ignore is the illegals who are working are taking the jobs we pay Americans not to take.

It's time to end all means tested entitlements AND birth right citizenship to those here illegally.

The let whomever wishes to come here to work hard and succeed to do so and let Darwinism take it's course.

Some of these jobs welfarenized Americans wont do because it takes effort and hard work.
They'd rather sit home and collect a check for doing nothing.

[StaticCling]

I have no problems with people who immigrate here LEGALLY. It totally blows my mind that there is even an argument about this. Any kind of government assisted welfare for a non citizen is just completely ludicrous.

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by chinaski

I have no problems with people who immigrate here LEGALLY. It totally blows my mind that there is even an argument about this. Any kind of government assisted welfare for a non citizen is just completely ludicrous.

Racist xenophobe.

[Strats-N-Vettes]

Originally Posted by chinaski

I have no problems with people who immigrate here LEGALLY. It totally blows my mind that there is even an argument about this. Any kind of government assisted welfare for a non citizen is just completely ludicrous.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by Strats-N-Vettes

Some of these jobs welfarenized Americans wont do because it takes effort and hard work.
They'd rather sit home and collect a check for doing nothing.

Then let's stop paying them and let them learn to compete or die.

Both ways the taxpayers win.

[lspencer534]

Originally Posted by VITE1

The even bigger fact that people ignore is the illegals who are working are taking the jobs we pay Americans not to take.

It's time to end all means tested entitlements AND birth right citizenship to those here illegally.

The let whomever wishes to come here to work hard and succeed to do so and let Darwinism take it's course.

My legal opinion is that birth right citizenship does not exist. The first clause of the 14th Amendment provides that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

The key phrase is "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" (meaning subject to the jurisdiction of the United States). Most everyone thinks the meaning is “straightforward”: “Subject to the jurisdiction” covers everyone born on U.S. soil.

Almost all aliens in the United States, even citizens of other nations, still fall within our jurisdiction while they are in our territory: Otherwise they could commit crimes of all sorts without fear of punishment.

Think of it this way. When a British tourist visits the United States, he subjects himself to our laws as long as he remains within our borders. He must drive on the right side of the road, for example. He is subject to our partial, territorial jurisdiction, but he does not thereby subject himself to our complete, political jurisdiction. He does not get to vote, or serve on a jury; he cannot be drafted into our armed forces; and he cannot be prosecuted for treason if he takes up arms against us, because he owes us no allegiance. He is merely a “temporary sojourner,” to use the language employed by those who wrote the 14th Amendment, and not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States in the full and complete sense intended by that language in the 14th Amendment.

The same is true for those who are in this country illegally. They are subject to our laws by their presence within our borders, but they are not subject to the more complete jurisdiction envisioned by the 14th Amendment as a precondition for automatic citizenship. It is just silliness to contend, as the Journal does, that this is “circular restrictionist logic” that would prevent illegal immigrants from being “prosecuted for committing crimes because they are not U.S. citizens.”

When the Supreme Court first addressed the Citizenship Clause in the 1873 Slaughterhouse Cases, both the majority and dissenting opinions recognized this same understanding. The majority in that case correctly noted that the “main purpose” of the clause “was to establish the citizenship of the negro” and that “the phrase, ‘subject to its jurisdiction’ was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.”

In the 1884 case of Elk v. Wilkins. The Supreme Court held in that case that the claimant — a Native American born on a tribal reservation — was not a citizen because he was not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States at birth, which required that he be “not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.” Elk did not meet the jurisdictional test because, as a member of an Indian tribe at his birth, he “owed immediate allegiance to” his tribe and not to the United States.

No Supreme Court case has held otherwise.

[NavyC5]

Originally Posted by Strats-N-Vettes

Some of these jobs welfarenized Americans wont do because it takes effort and hard work.
They'd rather sit home and collect a check for doing nothing.

So here's the solution, and even kills the argument of "I make more money on welfare/unemployment than working an entry level job".

You sign up for welfare, case worker determines what kind of job you can do, not what you want to do. You get $1,000 a month on welfare. Job opens up for a garbage man that pays $800. No problem, report to work, you get $800 for the job, govt will foot the other $200 for a period of time. You refuse, quit or get fired for misconduct, no benefits for you

[Fasglas]

Originally Posted by NavyC5

So here's the solution, and even kills the argument of "I make more money on welfare/unemployment than working an entry level job".

You sign up for welfare, case worker determines what kind of job you can do, not what you want to do. You get $1,000 a month on welfare. Job opens up for a garbage man that pays $800. No problem, report to work, you get $800 for the job.

Fixed

Interesting info. Long, but worth reading

BRIA 14 3 a How Welfare Began in the United States - Constitutional Rights Foundation