Drove an EV yesterday

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Why would it matter what they put on their website? What really matters are the specs and they are good.

Again, you have a very different definition of "good".

I don't give a damn if it can "tow" 50,000 lbs if you have to stop to charge it every 2 hours. That's absolutely useless as a "truck". All of the towing capacity in the world doesn't do any good if you can't actually go anywhere with it. For people like you who have nothing better to do than sit in parking lots and don't do anything that actually requires a truck, I'm sure it's just fine. Stop trying to convince the world that it's something that it's not.

Do you ever stop the Tesla humping bullshit? Maybe you could at least keep it in your own dumbass thread instead of spewing it here on this one...

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

most 2013 and newer Model S are still on their first battery and still have about 90% of their original range.

Link to proof of that claim?

[MikeB]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Link to proof of that claim?

I saw that Realbadger posted a link to something, on some other thread,
about I don't really care what, but I'm too lazy to go searching.
Although, I was impressed.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Mick

Funny you say this, because the ONLY criticism I have ever posted about today's EVs is that they suck for long road trips, and since my wife and I take long road trips regularly, it isn't a good match for how we use our vehicles, so we would not have one as our only vehicle. As a result, you have consistently labeled me an "EV hater".

Looks like I was wrong. You're not an EV Hater, you're just a Dvarapala Hater.

I stand corrected.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Link to proof of that claim?

Links to proof of bullshit claims are apparently not required here. No matter how many times people ask for one they will never receive one; all they'll get is "Blah Blah Blah."

[Mick]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Looks like I was wrong. You're not an EV Hater, you're just a Dvarapala Hater.

I stand corrected.

You're still wrong. I'm not a hater of someone I don't know on an internet message board. But I am observant of dense behavior that goes on, and on, and on . . .

[RedLS1GTO]

I'd be curious to see that the Hummer does for range at actual driving speeds, as opposed to whatever maximized EPA work they did.

I saw this review of the Tesla to solidify the point even more:

https://dongknows.com/tesla-model-y-...range-anxiety/

I knew the Tesla lost range at speed, but holy shit.

The Model Y gets roughly 160 miles per gallon of gas per EPA estimates, while the MDX gets only 20 miles. So, my Model Y has much better efficiency than my MDX -- about eight times.

One thing is for sure: you won't get these numbers in real-life driving unless you drive by yourself, hauling nothing at around 60 miles or slower at all times. None of us do that, not on a freeway.

So on my MDX, I often got about 15 miles per gallon or 25 percent less in real-world efficiency. But considering the car has 18 gallons, I could still go as far as 300 miles on a full tank.

The Model Y also loses its efficiency progressively at higher speeds, but at a much more acute rate considering the amount of energy it can carry -- it has only two gallons of gas.

You're probably fine losing $250 when you have $1000, but losing $25 out of a $100 budget is painful. That's especially true when you must accomplish a similar goal with the funds.

So if I lose 25 percent, I'd get around 240 miles out of a full charge. And the faster you go, the more efficiency you'd lose. Indeed, if you cruise at 80 MPH on a Model Y, discount at least 30% from the car's EPA range.

On many trips, when legal, I set the cruising speed at 90 mph, the top available for my Model Y (before the Tesla Vision shenanigans). In this case, the car's range often ended up merely 170 miles out of 90% of the car's full charge.

TL/DR

It sucks if you drive it at normal person speeds.

I guess this wouldn't matter if you're the type who takes mandatory safety breaks and hot food stops every hour, but I'm guessing the majority of the folks in here don't drive at 60mph down the highway.

As absolutely horrendous as the Tesla is, I'd be willing to bet the Hummer is actually worse. Even if you aren't going on longer road trips, range may become a limiting factor even around town. Might be something to look into.

[GTOguy]

Again, worthwhile around town like a golf cart is. And then only in certain places...certainly not central CA where electricity is 54 cents per Kwh and you aren't allowed to charge during hot summer days. And of ZERO use in car or truck format over the open road in real conditions with hills, luggage, traffic, heating, and air conditioning. Not Ready For Prime Time. And will never be. Unless we re-up our nuclear power. As long as we're using fossil fuel to charge these toxic batteries supplied by child slave labor, what's the point exactly? Besides feeling smug by virtue-signaling we are enviornmentally hip? If you want to help the planet, drive 60 year old hot rods like I do with multiple carbs. My carbon footprint on these was gone by 1969.

[erickpl]

I have an EV, well my wife does.
My other vehicles are a Ram truck and a Jeep Wrangler.

Each has a task. Around town? EV all day every day. Quick, quiet, enough capacity to make a Costco run for anything other than furniture or a TV. This REALLY keeps us from having to use the gas pump as much. Driving the Ram around town sucks down the gas pretty quick.

Truck's job is to tow our 30' travel trailer and make the bigger runs to Costco or Home Depot as needed. I fill it up when we take our trailer camping about once a month. When with the trailer, it sucks the gas, but other than that, it really isn't used.

The Wrangler, well, that's the toy.

For long drives, we have the truck and the EV (which is NOT a Tesla). We tend to go to St. Louis from north Alabama and we know the high speed chargers and plan our route to use them (yes, it's the fastest route). We use them so we only have to charge to 80% to get us to the next station. Why? Our EV uses the 800v architecture too, just like Hyundai, Porsche Taycan, Hummer EV, and a very few others use right now). We are ready to roll in under 20 minutes. I can live with a stop like that.

Our max range in it is 300 miles with a full charge, but at 80% it's around 240-50. Going to full charge at fast chargers takes about 30-40 minutes. We WILL do that if we stop to eat a meal when charging, otherwise, just 80%.

But.. we have no qualms about taking the Ram on long trips (it IS our trailer hauler and have gone cross country with it)... but when we can, we look at the charging station availability, where we're going and along the way, and decide beforehand. Is it ideal? That depends on your goals? Money savings? Yep. Time? Nope.

Infrastructure needs a LOT of help and adding stations to FlyingJ/Pilot, Shell/BP, and other regular stations will be nice, but I don't have any expectation that it will happen quickly.

Ev's are not THE solution. Never said they were, but they ARE an option for those willing to do it. The more they are out there, the more demand for chargers will be, and that will drive infrastructure and grid updates (hopefully!). Time will tell.

We've enjoyed the EV and surprised a few with it. Including myself. I never thought I'd have an EV, but my better half wanted one after seeing a few friends with them and her lease on her car was up anyway. She's not really an environmentalist, but she does like the idea of not having emissions while driving. Our local power is mainly hydro and nuclear, with some nat gas and coal.

We looked at the Teslas and thought the interior was done by Ikea. Screens have fonts so small, our older eyes couldn't read them. And who uses a shiny/gloss screen as the main display? Finger prints, sun glare, etc make them VERY hard to read. LOL She is not a Tesla fan at all.

I get the arguments both for and against EV's, and see both sides. For what SHE wanted, it has worked well, and we've realize what it can and cannot do for us.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

I'd be curious to see that the Hummer does for range at actual driving speeds, as opposed to whatever maximized EPA work they did.

I saw this review of the Tesla to solidify the point even more:

https://dongknows.com/tesla-model-y-...range-anxiety/

I knew the Tesla lost range at speed, but holy shit.



TL/DR

It sucks if you drive it at normal person speeds.

I guess this wouldn't matter if you're the type who takes mandatory safety breaks and hot food stops every hour, but I'm guessing the majority of the folks in here don't drive at 60mph down the highway.

As absolutely horrendous as the Tesla is, I'd be willing to bet the Hummer is actually worse. Even if you aren't going on longer road trips, range may become a limiting factor even around town. Might be something to look into.

I don't know what "MDX" the reviewer has, but if he is getting 15-20 mpg, there's something wrong with it. My wife has a 2014 MDX, and it gets great gas mileage for how big of a vehicle it is. Under ideal conditions, and if I keep the speed down to 70-75, it gets 30-32 mpg on the highway. On a hot summer day, when we are heading to the beach with the "Excargo" on the top, the cargo platform on the back, stuffed to the gills with luggage AC blasting etc., it still gets 27-28.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Links to proof of bullshit claims are apparently not required here. No matter how many times people ask for one they will never receive one; all they'll get is "Blah Blah Blah."

Link?

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Mick

I don't know what "MDX" the reviewer has, but if he is getting 15-20 mpg, there's something wrong with it.

I picked 2022 as a reference… looks pretty spot on for an AWD S 🤷

The 2014 is listed at 20/28.

Regardless of that, it doesn’t change the fact that driving at the speed that most people actually drive instead of 60mph on only 70 degree days seems to kill the Tesla. I simply picked one of many examples.

[09CTSV]

We actually have two other gas guzzlers which we could take on a long road trip or plan our route and take the EV, if we pull the plug.

I agree with you RedLS1GTO, the interior surprised me how nice it felt and looked. I would like to have a different color than the Matte Green but it wasn't too bad looking in person. Talking with my financial advisor to move some money around and I'll see what we want to do.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

I picked 2022 as a reference… looks pretty spot on for an AWD S 🤷

The 2014 is listed at 20/28.

Regardless of that, it doesn’t change the fact that driving at the speed that most people actually drive instead of 60mph on only 70 degree days seems to kill the Tesla. I simply picked one of many examples.

I'm not sure what size 6 cylinder my wife's vehicle has, but it is AWD, and obviously, automatic trans. I'm a little surprised at the 28 highway rating, as my wife's definitely can still get 30+. I admit that is under "ideal" conditions, but I thought the manufacturer's ratings were ALWAYS under ideal conditions.

I think it has 96k on the clock now, and other than being a ridiculously expensive vehicle to maintain, I have no complaints about it.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

Again, worthwhile around town like a golf cart is. And then only in certain places...certainly not central CA where electricity is 54 cents per Kwh and you aren't allowed to charge during hot summer days. And of ZERO use in car or truck format over the open road in real conditions with hills, luggage, traffic, heating, and air conditioning. Not Ready For Prime Time. And will never be. Unless we re-up our nuclear power. As long as we're using fossil fuel to charge these toxic batteries supplied by child slave labor, what's the point exactly? Besides feeling smug by virtue-signaling we are enviornmentally hip? If you want to help the planet, drive 60 year old hot rods like I do with multiple carbs. My carbon footprint on these was gone by 1969.

I don’t want to save the planet. Partly because I don’t give a chit. And mostly because I don’t believe that “saving the planet” is within man’s ability, if in fact that it needs to be saved.

[snide]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Looks like I was wrong. You're not an EV Hater, you're just a Dvarapala Hater.

I stand corrected.

Is that a bad thing? Asking for a friend...

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Link to proof of that claim?

https://www.greencarreports.com/news...-200-000-miles

There is a Taxi driver in Germany with 1.1 MILLION Miles on his Model S, almost 2 Million Kilometers. He is on his 3rd battery after almost 2 MILLION kilometers.
He went through 14 motors but the early Model S did have an issue with the motors. That issue was fixed with the 2015 model I believe.

[Tikiman]

Originally Posted by LATB

I don’t want to save the planet. Partly because I don’t give a chit. And mostly because I don’t believe that “saving the planet” is within man’s ability, if in fact that it needs to be saved.

John Kerry says that it needs to be saved. And he's flying all over the world in a private jet to deliver that message.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by Tikiman

John Kerry says that it needs to be saved. And he's flying all over the world in a private jet to deliver that message.

But, but, but, he's never owned a private jet.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

https://www.greencarreports.com/news...-200-000-miles

There is a Taxi driver in Germany with 1.1 MILLION Miles on his Model S, almost 2 Million Kilometers. He is on his 3rd battery after almost 2 MILLION kilometers.
He went through 14 motors but the early Model S did have an issue with the motors. That issue was fixed with the 2015 model I believe.

Your "proof" is 1 random guy in Germany? Come on man.

Interesting strategy. Not exactly how "data" works, but interesting nonetheless. On that note, users HDWSJ and Lasttoy from Teslamotorclub.com both had batteries fail before 64,000 miles. Therefore now with a sample size of 2 random people, I can now make the claim that the batteries will fail at only 64,000.

With that said, between batteries and motors, he spent enough keeping that Tesla running to have bought a fleet of ICE taxi sedans.