People Who Put "M.Ed" or "MBA" As A Title

[Black94lt1]

Originally Posted by SteelCityBlue

A lot of this has to do with where you are in the food chain. I had dinner with the head of critical care at a major university about a week ago. He introduced himself by his first name. About five minutes later, some QC internal med walks in and introduces himself as DR. XXX.

We just both turned and looked at him.

Agreed, working for an academic medical center I interact with a lot of high up physicians and research staff and almost all go by their first names, the junior staff are more inclined to go by "Dr.". Years ago I worked in the pharma business and the phrase in research was there were more doctors (PhDs) around than non-doctors but you would never know it as they all were just normal people

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Originally Posted by Thomas

My point exactly. You gotta get your attributes out there in front of the clientele.

Of course.

First impressions and such.

[oyealiz]

[DAB]

Originally Posted by oyealiz

Uh oh.

Professor Liz is here to check our CVs.

Mine's pretty short.

[LilRedCorvette]

Originally Posted by Waco

It's a Rugby term, no?

It is, but the term also used in IT/PMP circles...however using it as a title after a name is completely lame.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by SQUIRMIN VERMIN 84

My wife has always thought I should have 'Prof.' after mine, (Profane)..

MY wife would vote for SA for my card.....























Smart Ass.....



nuff said.....

[snide]

Originally Posted by ZipZap

I saw "Scrum Master" on a business card...

That's almost as important as 6Sigma Black Belt.

[Iron Chef]

Originally Posted by snide

That's almost as important as 6Sigma Black Belt.

Nail on the head here.

I think learning in any form is a good thing, but these are certifications, not degrees. Kinda like an extension course. They want me to go through yellow belt training here, but I'd never even consider putting it on as a title.

People who do that shit are, IMHO, desperate for recognition. If you're good at what you do, the recognition will come whether it says anything after your name or not.

[DAB]

i need new business cards:

DAB, MWW

master wood worker.....

ok, i'm pretty good?



how about WW?

ok, you can keep that. Woodworker, it's an honest profession (or hobby).

[Iron Chef]

Originally Posted by DAB

DAB, MWW

master wood worker.....

ok, i'm pretty good?

If you ever watched The New Yankee Workshop, Norm Abram had the title of "Master Carpenter." As I understand it, there's really no such thing. You're a journeyman when you've learned your trade sufficiently. It was a title that was created by the series producer, Russell Morash.

Will that work?

[ZipZap]

Originally Posted by Waco

It's a Rugby term, no?

Scrum is a specific process methodology in Agile software development.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by oyealiz

[DAB]

Originally Posted by Iron Chef

If you ever watched The New Yankee Workshop, Norm Abram had the title of "Master Carpenter." As I understand it, there's really no such thing. You're a journeyman when you've learned your trade sufficiently. It was a title that was created by the series producer, Russell Morash.

Will that work?

I had read that story too.

A great American woodworker was Sam Maloof. He was asked about his preferred title. He said "Woodworker" was fine. It's an honest word. Not too pretentious. Works for me too.

[Dave]

Frankly, I don't see why Ph.D is any different than the others (or any degree for that matter). You went to school some more. Congrats. Good job. No, I don't care. No, you're not a doctor. Nor do I care if you are an actual doctor.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Waco

Yeah, no. The bar for getting a Ph.D in any field is far higher than any other degree. Yes, there are crap schools that hand them out like candy.

Good schools don't do that. It's a serious commitment and a real contribution to the field if you get your Ph.D in most science fields.

Don't conflate the touchy-feely arts Ph.Ds with hard science degrees, please.

So someone went to school a bit longer. BFD. lots of people are likewise committed to a lot of things without feeling it necessary to tack pointless letters onto the back of their name. Exactly what reaction am I supposed to have upon seeing such?

[DAB]

Knowledge is contextual.

It's only useful if it can solve the problem in front of you.

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by Waco

I'm not saying those who tack the letters on demand anything. I'm saying it's not just "going to school longer".

This.

Requirements for a PhD require addition of new knowledge to the field of study. It's not just sitting in classes. The dissertation and its oral defense is a way to ensure one is well versed in the field and subject. It's arduous and can take anywhere from 3 to 7 years to complete. The research is original, usually published in peer reviewed journals along the way.

As someone who was PhD track, but didn't make the cut, I have a lot of respect for science PhDs. But like anything I analyze what they say for its own value. If they are in their wheelhouse, they should be able to school me.

YMMV.

[69camfrk]

Originally Posted by Thomas

I typically add "BWP" after my name. You know, Big White Penis.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by Waco

I can't disagree on anything here.

I was PhD track. The only reason I dropped, after getting my Master's, was because I bonked my head and realized I could be doing something useful to the world (versus pure academics).

I was useless for about 9 months when I conked my head.

I am employed now due to a leap of faith by my former boss. I now have his position and have completely overcome the lack of focus that nearly tanked my career.

Long story short, 5 years ago I probably couldn't have passed my dissertation. Now? I probably could, but it's been forged through trials of fire that would make many quit. Getting your hard science Ph.D from a good institution is very hard...and anyone trivializing that fact should just stop. It's not something handed out. It's not something most can achieve. It's a decade long pursuit of the truth in a particular subject.

Yeh, my eyes got woke up pretty good when I got that engineering tech job with a company that was essentially going under.....due to being surrounded by incompetent people in the tech staff....amazingly, I managed to survive as a tech while about a dozen others were weeded out in the year or so after I was hired....for some odd reason, the owner of the company appreciated that I understood how/why the systems worked.....the list of changes/people fired and new hires covered the entire operation....supply/order edit dept, production manager, EE --long story there seems I knew more than the EE I was working for, engineering dept head, QC dept, Secretarial help, and of course Me in the 'field service' dept.....flipping all over the nation on installs/problems.....company owner had a PHD EE...he used the title catch him in a lab one time, he deserved it....and once the incompetent people with all the letters were cleaned out, and folks hired that actually KNEW something....the company took off like a rocket.....

One of the most impressive folks in the operation was retired Adm. Roy White, and we damn sure knew it too, he was known as the grim reaper, got called into his office, and it usually a death sentence.....his field was Chemistry...bomb sniffer tech...anyone showing up with the rong shit in their shoes would beep the machine....but ignore stinky feet...that was a hell of a feat......

That 5 year job experience showed me the difference between men and boys, and the letters had little to do with it.....

[DAB]

my CV, ok resume, testifies that i'm not the smartest in the room. but i know enough to get by, and I'm ok with that. and if i don't know something, but need to know it for a project, i can learn.