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Old 03-21-2020, 7:39pm   #1
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What did South Korea do? They are being held up as a model of how to deal with the virus, right? They tested the shit out of people, and quarantined those who WERE SICK!

The whole "shelter in place" thing is just ****ed up beyond all comprehension to do with ZERO evidence it will have any impact.

The media is as much to blame on this thing too IMO, and why you and other health care providers are so overwhelmed. NEVER in my life time have I seen such panic, and it is basically ALL caused by the media. All day, they are bombarding us with the message the Covid19 is "hundreds of times more deadly than the flu", even though there never was any data to support that, and every day as we gather more data, we should be realizing that it is no where close to true! Our health care system, and TP supply chain, are not currently in dire straights because the infection rates are so high, and the morbidity rate so astronomical, but because the media has been desperately trying to convince EVERYONE that the preceding is true such that any time somebody's brother in law sneezed in the next room yesterday they go to the ER demanding a Covid19 test.

They are selling panic, and people are buying it, but they are paying for it with the resources provided by folks like you. You should be more pissed than anyone.

And another thing: I was talking to a guy yesterday who apparently recently had the regular seasonal flu. He was PISSED that they would not give him the test to see if he had Covid19. I didn't say anything about it, but I thought to myself "if I was sick, why would I care if it was Coved19?" There is no special treatment or "cure" for specifically that, so what difference does it make to me personally which bug got me down?

Not a quote fail like some.

Fist, yes I am pissed! I am pissed sheeple do not think for themselves, do their research, buy up hoards of shit they do not need, not leaving enough for others, that people that desperately need access cannot get it, that Chinese assholes do the horrific things they do to animals, which contributed to the emergence of every SARS virus we have seen. as well as other things like my husband changing the channel constantly.

The error with you suggesting to only quarantine the sick is that this virus is DIFFERENT.

1st, it is indisputable, that this virus is transmissible even when a person is asymptomatic! We still do not know the incubation period, how long this virus thrives outside of the human body (for sure), or what the hosts/vectors are.

If this virus is anything like the prior SARS viruses, it can have a mortality rate of up to 34%, can you begin to imagine those numbers if this virus produces strains of that magnitude?

I do not claim to have the answers, but people brushing this off like it is no big deal, when the entire word as we know it, is seeing the effects of this, be it the virus or its soci-economical consequences.

To the naysayers, I ask, WHAT possible gain would any country have to over exacerbate the danger of this virus?
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A couple more details, to help conceptualize this.

COVID may have the patent in the hospital for 14 days on a vent. Flu typically only lasts 5-7 days, even if critical. This quickly over runs healthcare capacity. Also you do not have to don all the PPE with influenza as you do COVID. More strain.

Also, if a person is ill with the flu, they KNOW it, it is clear they are contagious and shedding viral particles and they usually don't feel like socializing, not the case with SARS-COV-2. Patients can be entirely contagious and not symptomatic.
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For those too simple to grasp what is real look at it this way... I oversimplify but you should be able to follow along...
120 or so days ago NOBODY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD had this bug. No one.
It is damned near worldwide now and spreading faster than a California wildfire.
You might want to at least start paying attention a bit more henceforth.
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I'm sorry to be on the other side of the fence as this, but I am. I am being cautious, but I am not buying that this isn't being overly sensationalized by the media AND that being said, if there are millions like me that believe the same but it really is the most lethal virus known to man, then it is the media's fault for constantly lying to us and then suddenly expecting us to believe them. They have fkd this entire nation up. As careful as I am, if someone near me dies, I place 99% of the blame on the networks and the conglomerates that pull the politicians strings and vice versa.

Furthermore...fk China, fk Iran fk Iraq, fk'em all and especially fk anyone that thought moving manufacturing outside the US was a great idea. They need to burn in hell and all the way to hell. We were a strong industrial might and now we are a pathetic whimpering puppy because there is a virus on the loose bringing us to our knees. The fkn Chinese are doing what Germany and Japan couldn't do without a single shot. Fk the liberals too.
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Part of the problem is folks have been told the "sky is falling" for years. You can only "cry wolf" so many times before it's ignored.

I was born in 1960. During the early 70s, I was told we are entering another ice age. We're going to totally converted to the metric system by 1976. Then it was the polar ice caps are melting and the oceans are going to rise hundreds of feet. End of the world, nuclear war to destroy the planet etc, etc.

Too much bullshit "science" ( with political overtones to get funding) has numbed the folks when a real crisis is / has occurred.
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Perhaps a quarantine of those most likely to die from it should be used?
Rely upon health dept and national Guard to supply them at home for 2 weeks or more?
Just a tought, probably go over like a lead balloon.
I know if I had bad immune system or were 70 plus I'd be super careful now.

As far as what countries have to gain, throughout history they have used fear to persuade the sheeple to back them. Perhaps the socialists will use this to their advantage to push their agendas. Wouldn't necessarily be the governments inciting fear, but wouldn't suprise me if some countries experience upheaval over this. Time will tell.

On a more positive note(nothing good about this situation) perhaps we as a country can learn from this virus that isn't extremely deadly and be more prepared for a worse situation. If this was a very deadly virus, we'd be screwed as we are not prepared nor have experience with this level of contagion.
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Perhaps a quarantine of those most likely to die from it should be used?
Rely upon health dept and national Guard to supply them at home for 2 weeks or more?
Just a tought, probably go over like a lead balloon.
I know if I had bad immune system or were 70 plus I'd be super careful now.

As far as what countries have to gain, throughout history they have used fear to persuade the sheeple to back them. Perhaps the socialists will use this to their advantage to push their agendas. Wouldn't necessarily be the governments inciting fear, but wouldn't suprise me if some countries experience upheaval over this. Time will tell.

On a more positive note(nothing good about this situation) perhaps we as a country can learn from this virus that isn't extremely deadly and be more prepared for a worse situation. If this was a very deadly virus, we'd be screwed as we are not prepared nor have experience with this level of contagion.

IF, this world situation has taught us anything , is that we are FAR to reliant on the assistance of the government and every society is truly unprepared for a truly catastrophic event.

I do nOT feel that this one is the BIG one, in terms of pandemics, in it's current state. I am concerned that there is an avian flu on the tails of this SARS-COV2. For an avian flu to hit us, while we will likely still be dealing with this does scare me. Does it PANIC me, no, does it make me take heed of where we are today and where we could end up a year from now, YES!

Bookmark this thread, I assure you this will be the next thing we will be hearing about.


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Part of the problem is folks have been told the "sky is falling" for years. You can only "cry wolf" so many times before it's ignored.

I was born in 1960. During the early 70s, I was told we are entering another ice age. We're going to totally converted to the metric system by 1976. Then it was the polar ice caps are melting and the oceans are going to rise hundreds of feet. End of the world, nuclear war to destroy the planet etc, etc.

Too much bullshit "science" ( with political overtones to get funding) has numbed the folks when a real crisis is / has occurred.
I remember that crap as a kid, 🤣
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Not a quote fail like some.

Fist, yes I am pissed! I am pissed sheeple do not think for themselves, do their research, buy up hoards of shit they do not need, not leaving enough for others, that people that desperately need access cannot get it, that Chinese assholes do the horrific things they do to animals, which contributed to the emergence of every SARS virus we have seen. as well as other things like my husband changing the channel constantly.

The error with you suggesting to only quarantine the sick is that this virus is DIFFERENT.

1st, it is indisputable, that this virus is transmissible even when a person is asymptomatic! We still do not know the incubation period, how long this virus thrives outside of the human body (for sure), or what the hosts/vectors are.

If this virus is anything like the prior SARS viruses, it can have a mortality rate of up to 34%, can you begin to imagine those numbers if this virus produces strains of that magnitude?

I do not claim to have the answers, but people brushing this off like it is no big deal, when the entire word as we know it, is seeing the effects of this, be it the virus or its soci-economical consequences.

To the naysayers, I ask, WHAT possible gain would any country have to over exacerbate the danger of this virus?
What possible gain would any country have to over exacerbate the danger of this virus? For one, the ability to exert control over its citizens. Don't misunderstand, I am not against the precautions taking place. But, when Governor Cuomo is on television constantly and you can see the joy in his eye, it is a little scary. More scary than the virus, to be candid. And he's by no means the only politician who is enjoying this.

I will say, here in Michigan our democratic governor, Gretchen Whitmer, looks tired and unhappy in pictures. I don't think she likes closing stuff down but feels it's necessary to curb the spread of the virus. I don't disagree with her.

The big reason in this country for the media to stoke up fear is to try and make Trump look bad. They will stop at nothing to make him look bad. They are terrible people.

I don't have a problem with the actions taken so far by the government, both federal and states. They are acting in an abundance of caution. There are a lot of unknowns with this virus. But the posturing by certain politicians using this to gain political power is awful. Same thing with the media. Get the ratings and the clicks and try to make a name for yourself at the expense of everyone else.

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Part of the problem is folks have been told the "sky is falling" for years. You can only "cry wolf" so many times before it's ignored.

I was born in 1960. During the early 70s, I was told we are entering another ice age. We're going to totally converted to the metric system by 1976. Then it was the polar ice caps are melting and the oceans are going to rise hundreds of feet. End of the world, nuclear war to destroy the planet etc, etc.

Too much bullshit "science" ( with political overtones to get funding) has numbed the folks when a real crisis is / has occurred.


I remember the ice age shit coming and as a teenager scaring me that we wouldn't have summer anymore. Same thing with the teachers bloviating about nuclear war and getting a bulge in their pants by scaring students that we had no future. It was all horse shit with bad motivations for saying it. Why else to say it but to scare kids.
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Not a quote fail like some.

Fist, yes I am pissed! I am pissed sheeple do not think for themselves...,
Ok, but do realize that you are also opposing the opinion of some that are thinking for themselves. If what you mean is "listen to what you are saying" then just absolutely say that.

I am thinking for myself when I question skewed numbers
I am thinking for myself when I say that someone that is not cooperating with authorities on where they were and when, should be charged with a crime
I am thinking for myself when I say I am sick of listening to biased news sources that are fixated on the collapse of our country
I am thinking for myself when I say stop fking worrying about being PC and kick the g'damn anti-American foreigners the hell out of here INCLUDING the nasty bitches in DC
We need to reset. We need to embrace isolationism and trade with other countries because we WANT to, not because we HAVE to.

Yeah, I'm pissed in case it's not clear.
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Ok, but do realize that you are also opposing the opinion of some that are thinking for themselves. If what you mean is "listen to what you are saying" then just absolutely say that.

I am thinking for myself when I question skewed numbers
I am thinking for myself when I say that someone that is not cooperating with authorities on where they were and when, should be charged with a crime
I am thinking for myself when I say I am sick of listening to biased news sources that are fixated on the collapse of our country
I am thinking for myself when I say stop fking worrying about being PC and kick the g'damn anti-American foreigners the hell out of here INCLUDING the nasty bitches in DC
We need to reset. We need to embrace isolationism and trade with other countries because we WANT to, not because we HAVE to.

Yeah, I'm pissed in case it's not clear.
Well said.
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Ok, but do realize that you are also opposing the opinion of some that are thinking for themselves. If what you mean is "listen to what you are saying" then just absolutely say that.

I am thinking for myself when I question skewed numbers
I am thinking for myself when I say that someone that is not cooperating with authorities on where they were and when, should be charged with a crime
I am thinking for myself when I say I am sick of listening to biased news sources that are fixated on the collapse of our country
I am thinking for myself when I say stop fking worrying about being PC and kick the g'damn anti-American foreigners the hell out of here INCLUDING the nasty bitches in DC
We need to reset. We need to embrace isolationism and trade with other countries because we WANT to, not because we HAVE to.

Yeah, I'm pissed in case it's not clear.

I am more middle ground than you understand, which is why the statement was made. People panicking is NOT thinking for yourself. Also, the conspiracy theorist are sheeple, not accepting the factual information readily available.

My information gathering is via WHO, expert epidemiologists, CDC, NIH as well as studies being done without bias and stories from respected, reputable front line medical providers in other countries.

I'm on the front lines of this, sadly now from home, doing virtual visits, as opposed to working in the pulmonary department or in urgent care, as I had a direct exposure to a + pt.


I ask you, why would I want to exaggerate the fear? I am not, I am only pleading with people to take this seriously. Not freak out, but take the factual information to heart.

Please wrap your mind around THIS IS NOT THE FLU!

~ This virus is contagious when an individual is NOT symptomatic
~ This virus survives for LONG periods of time outside of the human body on a multitude of surfaces
~ This virus causes ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome)
~ This virus stay in the air in droplet form far longer than influenza and other viruses

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...hours-surfaces


https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/0...ing-is-a-must/



Some good may come of this. Like my friend said the other day. She has an 11 year old daughter, she has NEVER been able to spend 2 weeks at home with her and although there are challenges, she is embracing this time she is getting to indulge in the most valuable commodity we have >>>>>> TIME.


BEST to all of you and I truly hope that no one is touched by this pandemic in a way that they cannot recover from. Well except for CassE Anthony and a few others....
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Hey DR,


Please watch this video interviewing doctors working the front lines:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...gK6dDHpYUg0rq8
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Not a quote fail like some.

Fist, yes I am pissed! I am pissed sheeple do not think for themselves, do their research, buy up hoards of shit they do not need, not leaving enough for others, that people that desperately need access cannot get it, that Chinese assholes do the horrific things they do to animals, which contributed to the emergence of every SARS virus we have seen. as well as other things like my husband changing the channel constantly.

The error with you suggesting to only quarantine the sick is that this virus is DIFFERENT.

1st, it is indisputable, that this virus is transmissible even when a person is asymptomatic! We still do not know the incubation period, how long this virus thrives outside of the human body (for sure), or what the hosts/vectors are.

If this virus is anything like the prior SARS viruses, it can have a mortality rate of up to 34%, can you begin to imagine those numbers if this virus produces strains of that magnitude?

I do not claim to have the answers, but people brushing this off like it is no big deal, when the entire word as we know it, is seeing the effects of this, be it the virus or its soci-economical consequences.

To the naysayers, I ask, WHAT possible gain would any country have to over exacerbate the danger of this virus?
I totally agree with your comments in the first paragraph. You comment about the Hubs changing channels.

I agree with your comments and position on this. Having said that, I trust the medical professionals in this country far more than I do the politicians or the media. I don't trust politicians of any party, especially the liberals.

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I'm sorry to be on the other side of the fence as this, but I am. I am being cautious, but I am not buying that this isn't being overly sensationalized by the media AND that being said, if there are millions like me that believe the same but it really is the most lethal virus known to man, then it is the media's fault for constantly lying to us and then suddenly expecting us to believe them. They have fkd this entire nation up. As careful as I am, if someone near me dies, I place 99% of the blame on the networks and the conglomerates that pull the politicians strings and vice versa.

Furthermore...fk China, fk Iran fk Iraq, fk'em all and especially fk anyone that thought moving manufacturing outside the US was a great idea. They need to burn in hell and all the way to hell. We were a strong industrial might and now we are a pathetic whimpering puppy because there is a virus on the loose bringing us to our knees. The fkn Chinese are doing what Germany and Japan couldn't do without a single shot. Fk the liberals too.
I could not agree more with your last paragraph.

Not only do I not trust our politicians, I don't trust the media. Much like unions when they were organized (unions piss me off also), there was a useful purpose for them. In my opinion, today's media spews an agenda from whatever corporation owns them. What happened to objective and truthful journalism?

I can see both sides of this discussion to a degree. But overall, I agree with Nicole's position.
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Not trusting the media is 100% the media's fault. The public not listening to the media is 100% the media's fault. The spread of this virus because of disbelief of the media, is the media's fault. In essence, this pandemic and associated hoarding, supply shortages and over-run medical resources is the media's fault. They can NEVER change that. I will never again trust anything I hear on the news. What should be a tool to keep us safe and informed, has become a tool of self-serving sensationalism, societal division, political poison, and a downright dangerous entity.

Nicole, yes, you are on the front lines and you are seeing this all first hand BUT, if you stripped away the panicked people that sneezed, those with a cold, the hypochondriacs, the paranoid, and the unnecessary noise from what you are doing, re-evaluate the actual COVID situation and then tell us how bad it is. Without the noise. Yes, it is contagious, yes it is deadly, but it has already statistically failed to be the worst of the worst and the panic has become the bigger issue than the pandemic.
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An interesting vid from a Russian vlogger inside China that I stumbled on
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there are two camps which are diametrically opposed in how this is handled. some believe in total isolation to stop spread, while others believe in allowing people to be free to go about their business, but be mindful of the few who are highly susceptible. the first camp thinks isolationist while stop it in its tracks, it wont. the second camp believes the healthy majority needs to fight it off and build immunity, and care for those who have immune system deficiencies and are highly suspect to get really sick from this shit.

imho, the second camp is better. there is a lot of evidence that young, healthy adults can fight this off, AND that its one and done. a fever for two days, dry cough and dehydration are the general symptoms. if they degrade its time to get help. completely shutting down states is causing hysteria, AND people are still intermingling which has the net effect of destroying the economy, but still passing germs. many are infected and dont know it.

here is an interesting discussion piece. https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...hvZpNNMT6Nrx6Q
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Canadia switched to the Metric system on September 1st, 1977. What a weird ****ing day that was. And for the next couple of years. But we figured it out and got over it.

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MAYBE we should require China and every country we deal with to enforce not eating animals that shouldn’t be on anyone’s menu. Eating bats, pangolins, etc.... that have caused all the latest pandemics.

It’s a big world and I know shit happens. But because certain people risk the world to eat something no normal human would eat unless desperate, bullshit.
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Not trusting the media is 100% the media's fault. The public not listening to the media is 100% the media's fault. The spread of this virus because of disbelief of the media, is the media's fault. In essence, this pandemic and associated hoarding, supply shortages and over-run medical resources is the media's fault. They can NEVER change that. I will never again trust anything I hear on the news. What should be a tool to keep us safe and informed, has become a tool of self-serving sensationalism, societal division, political poison, and a downright dangerous entity.

Nicole, yes, you are on the front lines and you are seeing this all first hand BUT, if you stripped away the panicked people that sneezed, those with a cold, the hypochondriacs, the paranoid, and the unnecessary noise from what you are doing, re-evaluate the actual COVID situation and then tell us how bad it is. Without the noise. Yes, it is contagious, yes it is deadly, but it has already statistically failed to be the worst of the worst and the panic has become the bigger issue than the pandemic.
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