WWDR do?

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Egnalf

run of the mill uv lights are not intense enough to kill this thing. there are industrial lights which are said to be effective, however those would typically be installed in air handling equipment in hospitals and other industrial applications. they are not suitable for genera purpose use and can damage eyes and skin.

Damn. It would have been great if all the old ex hippies brought out their black lights and tapestries of Jimi Hendrix and dogs playing pool and saved the world.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Egnalf

part of the healing process is EITHER having a very effective vaccine, OR allowing for humans to develop immunity.

Aren't those basically the same thing?

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by aerovette

Thank you

This needs to be written for WalMart shpppers like me.

It appears that the "worst case" is 72 hours on plastic and that the curve of decline/decay is a very radical nose dive.

The half life is only a few hours.

Any updates on the effect of UV light? I can envision a wand with a UV light that could be waved over a surface to disinfect a delivery.

UV kills the little ****ers. So do standard household cleaning products. So spritz your incoming Amazon packages with a little bleach and you're good to go.

[Rodnok1]

Strange news came out tonight.
One of the symptoms of the virus is loss of sense of smell and possibly taste.
https://www.wral.com/lost-sense-of-s...tion/19024513/

30% of people checked in South Korea and upwards of 2/3 in Italy have had this.
Seems alot had mild case, little or no other symptoms and later tested positive.
Hmmm... Interesting, could this be it's Achilles and a quick and easy way to screen people (or yourself).
If true I'm good this stupid dog of mine has gas that'd knock a buzzard off a maggot wagon...

[BOTY]

No one has asked for pics ? WTF is this world coming to ?

[Broken Wind]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

If we completely destroy our economy during this shutdown, the number of lives lost to COVID-19 will pale in comparison to the number of lives lost due to utter chaos. At some point we're going to reach a certain calculus that requires society to move on and deal with the ramifications - deadly or not.

I agree with this 1000%!

We cannot give the medical community free reign to manage this “crisis” in a vacuum. They are focused solely on the virus and containing it. Doing that comes at a cost that we as a nation may not be able to sustain or recover from economically. That hard decision is coming soon.

[Egnalf]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Aren't those basically the same thing?

No, vaccine is a way where either a small portion of the virus, or another substance which simulates the virus is introduced, usually by needle, into the body to help teach the body to fight it off.

Humans can also develop immunity by actually contracting the illness and fighting it off.

The diference...one is artificial, one is natural. There is NOT and artificial application yet. further, since many healthy adults are already able to fight this off, it makes sense, in the eyes of some, to allow that to occur naturally. Social distancing and lockdowns are a means of kicking the can down the road in the eyes of those who believe we can fight it off.

The reason there is so much lockdown and fear is because some people panic if they read about it in magazines or get sniffles. The fear is all of those people crashing healthcare, and making critical care unavailable for those truly in need, as happened overseas.

[Mick]

The decision, for today anyway, is to NOT open the branch. The bank will have to deal with the fact that they are not complying with the Governor's orders, but I think they get it that telling sick employees they have to go to work is the greater of the two evils. Tomorrow is another day.

[JetMechZ16]

Originally Posted by Broken Wind

I agree with this 1000%!

We cannot give the medical community free reign to manage this “crisis” in a vacuum. They are focused solely on the virus and containing it. Doing that comes at a cost that we as a nation may not be able to sustain or recover from economically. That hard decision is coming soon.

There are reasons to let this disease run it's course. The after effects of this lockdown will last years and become exponentially worse as it remains in place. There will be constant transmission of the disease due to the "Essential" personnel being just as likely to get and more likely to spread this disease. The businesses that are deemed non essential will become essential as the business that are still operating run out of necessary equipment and supplies to operate.

When the laid off workers can't buy food or pay electric bills and rent. will they riot in the streets? I sure would! I wouldn't sit there and watch my family starve or become homeless. What happens if the power grid goes down? We will still have our other natural disasters like storms, floods, and fires. What happens when the farmers cannot even have their produce packaged for sale? Who is making the cans to can foods? What about our plastic/glass containers that hold all our drinks like milk, water, and the oh so important beer!!

The after effects of the quarantine may be worse than allowing the disease to run it's course. I'm not advocating the abandonment of our senior or high risk population, I belong to part of that group, But I feel at some point the damage to humanity from our actions/quarantine will be worse than the disease itself.

[Egnalf]

Originally Posted by JetMechZ16

There are reasons to let this disease run it's course. The after effects of this lockdown will last years and become exponentially worse as it remains in place. There will be constant transmission of the disease due to the "Essential" personnel being just as likely to get and more likely to spread this disease. The businesses that are deemed non essential will become essential as the business that are still operating run out of necessary equipment and supplies to operate.

When the laid off workers can't buy food or pay electric bills and rent. will they riot in the streets? I sure would! I wouldn't sit there and watch my family starve or become homeless. What happens if the power grid goes down? We will still have our other natural disasters like storms, floods, and fires. What happens when the farmers cannot even have their produce packaged for sale? Who is making the cans to can foods? What about our plastic/glass containers that hold all our drinks like milk, water, and the oh so important beer!!

The after effects of the quarantine may be worse than allowing the disease to run it's course. I'm not advocating the abandonment of our senior or high risk population, I belong to part of that group, But I feel at some point the damage to humanity from our actions/quarantine will be worse than the disease itself.

100%, but that wouldn't align very well with the democommunist goals right now of winning the election in fall.

[Vandelay Industries]

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

New England Journal of Medicine a reputable source for you >


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

Any reports from the front lines regarding the efficacy of Chloroquine & azithromycin? Sounded promising...I wondered if it's producing any real-world results yet.

[Egnalf]

Originally Posted by Vandelay Industries

Any reports from the front lines regarding the efficacy of Chloroquine & azithromycin? Sounded promising...I wondered if it's producing any real-world results yet.

As far as I know, NYC got the first batch and is beginning distribution of it tomorrow.

[Rodnok1]

Originally Posted by JetMechZ16

There are reasons to let this disease run it's course. The after effects of this lockdown will last years and become exponentially worse as it remains in place. There will be constant transmission of the disease due to the "Essential" personnel being just as likely to get and more likely to spread this disease. The businesses that are deemed non essential will become essential as the business that are still operating run out of necessary equipment and supplies to operate.

When the laid off workers can't buy food or pay electric bills and rent. will they riot in the streets? I sure would! I wouldn't sit there and watch my family starve or become homeless. What happens if the power grid goes down? We will still have our other natural disasters like storms, floods, and fires. What happens when the farmers cannot even have their produce packaged for sale? Who is making the cans to can foods? What about our plastic/glass containers that hold all our drinks like milk, water, and the oh so important beer!!

The after effects of the quarantine may be worse than allowing the disease to run it's course. I'm not advocating the abandonment of our senior or high risk population, I belong to part of that group, But I feel at some point the damage to humanity from our actions/quarantine will be worse than the disease itself.

I'm glad this didn't hit during hurricane season and pray it's over before one hits this country, can you imagine the panic over it. I'm hoping one doesn't hit this year as we won't have the funds to recover from it.

Whilst I believe some areas may need to be shutdown and isolated to contain this, we cannot shut everything down as we(rest of the country) need to supply these areas and help with economic recovery.
If we destroy the economy when the next one hits we will not have the $ to survive it economically and many more will perish unnecessarily.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Egnalf

No, vaccine is a way where either a small portion of the virus, or another substance which simulates the virus is introduced, usually by needle, into the body to help teach the body to fight it off.

IOW, a vaccine gives you immunity.

Humans can also develop immunity by actually contracting the illness and fighting it off.

The diference...one is artificial, one is natural.

I apologize for going all UniqueDoug on you. I knew what you meant, but the way you originally expressed it was incorrect and had to be addressed.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by JetMechZ16

There are reasons to let this disease run it's course. The after effects of this lockdown will last years and become exponentially worse as it remains in place. There will be constant transmission of the disease due to the "Essential" personnel being just as likely to get and more likely to spread this disease.

The purpose of these shutdowns is not to stop the spread of the disease; that ship has already sailed.

The purpose is to slow down the rate of infections to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system. The area under the curve is the same, it's the shape of the curve that matters.

Letting the disease run its course will result in a huge spike of sick people coming into the hospitals all at once. Do you remember watching M*A*S*H on TV back in the 70s? Do you remember the triage they used to perform when the waves of casualties started coming in? Hawkeye and BJ had to decide which patients were worth saving and which ones to let die because there weren't enough resources to save everybody. That is the situation we're trying to avoid with these lockdowns.

This has been explained over and over again. I'm surprised there are still people who do not understand this.

[z06psi]

Nothing but stupid ****ing people all around.

That is all.

[JetMechZ16]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

The purpose of these shutdowns is not to stop the spread of the disease; that ship has already sailed.

The purpose is to slow down the rate of infections to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system. The area under the curve is the same, it's the shape of the curve that matters.

Letting the disease run its course will result in a huge spike of sick people coming into the hospitals all at once. Do you remember watching M*A*S*H on TV back in the 70s? Do you remember the triage they used to perform when the waves of casualties started coming in? Hawkeye and BJ had to decide which patients were worth saving and which ones to let die because there weren't enough resources to save everybody. That is the situation we're trying to avoid with these lockdowns.

This has been explained over and over again. I'm surprised there are still people who do not understand this.

Even more reason to let it run it's course. You've just stated that the only effect is to blunt the curve. Meaning the results are the same it just takes longer to get there, and once we are there the economy is destroyed.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Letting the disease run its course will result in a huge spike of sick people coming into the hospitals all at once.

This has been explained over and over again. I'm surprised there are still people who do not understand this.

That huge spike is a projected worst-case scenario. Worst-case scenarios rarely come true. That's been explained over and over again. I'm surprised there are still people who do not understand this.


The headline on our news this morning: OMG, CASES IN THE COUNTY DOUBLED OVERNIGHT!!! Yeah, from one to two, and the one tested positive over a week ago and has recovered. Media and politicians should be held liable for the panic and damage they're causing, but that will never happen.

[Egnalf]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

IOW, a vaccine gives you immunity.



I apologize for going all UniqueDoug on you. I knew what you meant, but the way you originally expressed it was incorrect and had to be addressed.

Its not incorrect, its an either/or statement. We EITHER use vaccines(which aren't available) OR we allow natural development of immunity by humans. EITHER way, I don't really give a flying ****, I have enough stress in my life dealing with various "essential" facilities and employees right now.

[Egnalf]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

The purpose of these shutdowns is not to stop the spread of the disease; that ship has already sailed.

The purpose is to slow down the rate of infections to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system. The area under the curve is the same, it's the shape of the curve that matters.

Letting the disease run its course will result in a huge spike of sick people coming into the hospitals all at once. Do you remember watching M*A*S*H on TV back in the 70s? Do you remember the triage they used to perform when the waves of casualties started coming in? Hawkeye and BJ had to decide which patients were worth saving and which ones to let die because there weren't enough resources to save everybody. That is the situation we're trying to avoid with these lockdowns.

This has been explained over and over again. I'm surprised there are still people who do not understand this.

first off, if the media and the idiot politicians would accurately report on this thing and stop scaring the hell out of people, this doesn't need to occur. Second, EVERY medical facility I deal with is triaging outside by taking temperature and looking at breathing. If you don't have trouble breathing and a high fever, you get sent elsewhere.