Malaysia Air Airliner missing

[Cybercowboy]

The Malay government finally got somebody to give them a fig leaf, and they grabbed it and won't ever let it go now. Now they don't have to worry about doing any sort of meaningful investigation, and can just put the blame on Boeing eventually.

But the plane's emergency beacon would have gone off if the plane had crashed into the sea, at least transmitting for a minute or so. It never did. All the other transponders were turned off before they made their last radio transmission. If their goal was suicide, there's no reason to do any of that. Doesn't explain the two minute mystery phone call. Nor the two stolen passports. All the other data points to an intentional act by people very experienced flying a 777. This one piece of data doesn't fit all the others, but it does help the Malay government, so they are running with it as fast and as hard as they can.

[Sea Six]

At this point, I've got a personal opinion as to whu happun.


For whatever reason, most likely terrorist related, someone hijacked the airplane.

For whatever reason, they weren't able to fly the thing to its intended destination. Either they were physically incapacitated, incoherent from fighting off passengers or crewmembers, or just incompetent... but they weren't able to carry out what they set out to accomplish.

It finally ran out of fuel and crashed in the ocean.

No terrorists claimed responsibility as the whole story unfolded because, unable to communicate with the folks on board, they didn't know what had happened any more than the rest of us. So they just silently watched the news to find out.

Now that it appears the terrorist act was unsuccessful, they don't want to claim responsibility. So we're not hearing anything from any of the usual suspects.

And I doubt we'll ever know anything else unless parts of the plane are recovered that will tell the story.

[VITE1]

It's wonderful that they sent the family's a TEXT MESSAGE telling them all is lost. That's real class for you.

[DAB]

Malay gov't: plane is lost in the ocean, here's your $5,000, now go home and don't bother us anymore.

[DAB]

Originally Posted by Sea Six

At this point, I've got a personal opinion as to whu happun.


For whatever reason, most likely terrorist related, someone hijacked the airplane.

For whatever reason, they weren't able to fly the thing to its intended destination. Either they were physically incapacitated, incoherent from fighting off passengers or crewmembers, or just incompetent... but they weren't able to carry out what they set out to accomplish.

It finally ran out of fuel and crashed in the ocean.

No terrorists claimed responsibility as the whole story unfolded because, unable to communicate with the folks on board, they didn't know what had happened any more than the rest of us. So they just silently watched the news to find out.

Now that it appears the terrorist act was unsuccessful, they don't want to claim responsibility. So we're not hearing anything from any of the usual suspects.

And I doubt we'll ever know anything else unless parts of the plane are recovered that will tell the story.

Originally Posted by TxAg

Sounds the most plausible thus far.

not bad for running your noggin into the pavement.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO... a long time ago

My theory is that if it was indeed hijacked as it seems, that something went wrong and they crashed it before actually carrying out whatever they were planning on doing.

[VITE1]

My theory is the Malaysian government has no F**king clue and are trying to cover their asses and the story will change yet again next week.

Corruption is endemic in the political landscape and Muslim extremism has been on the rise the last decade. Political parties can have ownership of businesses and they use the revolving door between public and private business to reduce competition and increase their profits.

Malaysia Airlines Was in Trouble Long Before Flight 370 - Businessweek

The majority of parent company Malaysian Airline Systems (MAS:MK) is owned by the government’s sovereign wealth fund, Khazanah Nasional. Last month the Business Times of Singapore urged Khazanah to put the airline into bankruptcy court to rectify its enormous cost burdens: a bloated headcount and “lopsided procurement contracts in a range of services from maintenance to catering.” The newspaper suggested Khazanah could follow the path of Japan Airlines (9201:JP), which successfully restructured in bankruptcy four years ago. “Overstaffing, ridiculous union demands, and outlandishly skewed procurement contracts are the financial equivalent of having to fight with one hand tied behind one’s back.”

Khazanah Nasional Berhad

Khazanah At GlanceKhazanah Nasional Berhad is the Government of Malaysia's strategic investment fund. As trustees to the nation's commercial assets, our role is to promote economic growth and make strategic investments on behalf of the Government which would contribute towards nation-building.

Khazanah is also tasked to nurture the development of selected strategic industries in Malaysia with the aim of pursuing the nation's long-term economic interests.

Khazanah has investments in over 50 major companies, both in Malaysia and abroad, and our companies are involved in a broad spectrum of industries.

Khazanah is also the key agency mandated to drive shareholder value creation, efficiency gains and enhance corporate governance in companies controlled by the government, commonly known as Government-Linked Companies, or GLCs.

[MrPeabody]

Originally Posted by VITE1

My theory is the Malaysian government has no F**king clue and are trying to cover their asses and the story will change yet again next week.

Corruption is endemic in the political landscape and Muslim extremism has been on the rise the last decade. Political parties can have ownership of businesses and they use the revolving door between public and private business to reduce competition and increase their profits.

Malaysia Airlines Was in Trouble Long Before Flight 370 - Businessweek




Khazanah Nasional Berhad

So just like here except more obvious.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by VITE1

Corruption is endemic in the political landscape

How many countries "look the other way" when a non-transpondered aircraft approaches their borders? Only the ones being paid to do so.


Oh, I don't believe they knew the scope/specifics of the bribe they took to "raise no red flags" that early morning; had they known the details - they probably wouldn't of gone along with it.

I mean, they set up a "International Airport" to try to show they are no longer a third world backwards country - but then don't bother to check passports against the Interpol database

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

How many countries "look the other way" when a non-transpondered aircraft approaches their borders? Only the ones being paid to do so.


Oh, I don't believe they knew the scope/specifics of the bribe they took to "raise no red flags" that early morning; had they known the details - they probably wouldn't of gone along with it.

I mean, they set up a "International Airport" to try to show they are no longer a third world backwards country - but then don't bother to check passports against the Interpol database

Years ago I drove from Singapore to KL. The driver had me sit int he back seat with a blanket to cover myself the first time we got pulled over. After we got pulled over the first time he let me come sit up front.

He told the first cop he was in a rush and his boss ( me ) was sick in the back. He gave him 20 Ringgit ( which was the going rate to pay off the cop) and then asked 'How many more are on patrol" when he was told 4 more on the route he gave him 80 more Ringgit and asked "Can you tell them to let us through?

We drove like a mad man all the way to KL. Waved through two police stops once they saw the license plate.

[DAB]

well, according to Sec. State John effing Kerry, that is not the way countries conduct themselves in this, the 21st century....why, those actions smack of reverting and staying in the bad old 19th century.....

yeah, how's that working out for you John?

bribes? no, politicians don't take bribes....they do however accept donations to their political campaigns and their foundations.....

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Perhaps there was an electrical short or fire in the cockpit that disabled all the instruments and electronics. While the pilots were fighting to put out the fire they got disoriented and didn't know where they were going since it was night time. Maybe they thought they were flying north when they were actually flying farther into the Indian Ocean.

I still stand by this and only add that instead of being lost, perhaps they were overcome with smoke or fumes from an electrical short / fire.

I see zero information that points to terrorism.

[DAB]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I still stand by this and only add that instead of being lost, perhaps they were overcome with smoke or fumes from an electrical short / fire.

I see zero information that points to terrorism.

i've assumed nothing.

but given the prevalence of muslim involvement in various acts of terrorism over the last 40 odd years, they are near the top of the list when you are drawing up suspects.

there is still a whole lot of uncertainty in this case, and will likely remain so until they find the black boxes and the wreckage.

[Mike Mercury]

we all know what happens when an airliner has a fire and/or electrical short... it continues to fly for 5-6-7 hours, in a controllable fashion, and only comes down after all the fuel is used-up.

C'mon Phil....

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I still stand by this and only add that instead of being lost, perhaps they were overcome with smoke or fumes from an electrical short / fire.

I have a feeling we will never know the truth - that is why the plane was crashed where it was

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I see zero information that points to terrorism. I do see however, a LOT of racist/xenophobic comments here linking the two.

That some of you would assume the pilots are terrorist simply because they were Muslim is just sick. Shame on you. I guess the thousands of other commercial flights piloted by Muslims that land every day are just fuking luck.

Thank you

[StaticCling]

Originally Posted by DAB

Malay gov't: plane is lost in the ocean, here's your $5,000, now go home and don't bother us anymore.

Talk about insulting! "Oh, your loved one just died. Here is 5 large, now go away"


You have gotta be shitting me. Surely, they keep better insurance than that.

[Mike Mercury]

moor newz:

The captain of Flight 370 was in no state of mind to fly the day it disappeared and could have taken the Boeing 777 for a "last joyride" before crashing into the Indian Ocean, a fellow pilot says.
Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's world was crumbling, said the long-time associate. He had been facing serious family problems, including separation from his wife and relationship problems with another woman he was seeing.
The man, who spoke to the Herald on condition of anonymity, said Captain Zaharie was "terribly upset" when his wife told him she was leaving and believed he may have decided to take the Malaysia Airlines plane to a part of the world he had never flown in.

However the fellow pilot raised questions about the captain's state of mind.
He guessed that Captain Zaharie may have considered the flight a "last joyride" - the chance to do things in a plane he had previously been able to do only on a simulator.

The friend said Captain Zaharie, who he chatted to when they met several times a year through work, was a fanatic for "the three Fs" - food, family and flying.
When he wasn't working he spent hours cooking or using his home-made flight simulator for a variety of situations he wouldn't experience at the controls of a commercial airline, such as flying at the highest and lowest possible altitudes.
The simulator was seized last week and is being analysed by the FBI.
Investigations so far found that, up to the point when the co-pilot said "all right, good night" to Malaysian traffic controllers, the plane had been flying normally. Military radar tracking showed the aircraft made a sharp turn soon after and started flying at altitudes as high as 45,000ft (13,716m) and as low as 12,000ft before it disappeared.
The associate believed the co-pilot must have been incapacitated and the other flight crew kept out of the cockpit.
"It is very possible that neither the passengers nor the other crew on-board knew what was happening until it was too late."

The friend said the disappearance of the Boeing 777 happened as Captain Zaharie's world was crumbling.
"He's one of the finest pilots around and I'm no medical expert, but with all that was happening in his life Zaharie was probably in no state of mind to be flying."

Inquiry source: Crash 'deliberate act'

Sources close to the inquiry were quoted by Britain's Daily Telegraph as saying investigators believed Flight 370 was crashed deliberately.

"This has been a deliberate act by someone on-board who had to have the detailed knowledge to do what was done," an official source said.
Investigators believe no malfunction or on-board fire was capable of causing the aircraft's unusual flight or the disabling of its communications system, or of taking it on a seven-hour flight wildly off course.
New Zealand aviation expert Peter Clark said he believed Captain Zaharie may have been responsible.
"This had to be a pilot or somebody with expert knowledge, who had to know what they were doing to complete this," Mr Clark said.
"It had to be somebody with immense knowledge ... the co-pilot would not have the capability of doing this. It's a takeover of the aircraft, it can only be the pilot."

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

moor newz:

[Cybercowboy]

In order to disable one of the transponders, he would have had to go below deck and remove a breaker. It was disabled not long after takeoff. Long before the copilot said "Good night.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

At this point, if the plane is in the hands of some nefarious group, it would behoove them to gather up as much stuff as possible that floats, stuff like luggage with passports inside, and drop them out in the middle of the ocean. Somewhere they know will have one or more ships pass through the next day.